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#1 mcjohnson

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 08:43

Does Max take out Lewis?
Does Bottas take out Max?
Do they all take out each other?!

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#2 KeithD68

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 08:54

I hope stewards would look extremely unfavourably at any culprit who did and give them a 10 place grid drop next / last race

 

They would never have the balls though, nor would it align with the 'commercial strategy'



#3 thegamer23

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 10:10

Hamilton, beacause the run down towards the first corner is pretty short.

Bottas & Verstappen side by side into Turn 1, that could get hot.

 

I can see Bottas pushing Verstappen wide & forcing him to cut the first corner

 


Edited by thegamer23, 05 December 2021 - 10:14.


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Posted 05 December 2021 - 10:23

I can see ‘best ever teammate’ Bottas taking out Lewis in the ultimate plot twist.

He’s only got 2 more chances to ever win a race in F1, I reckon he’s going to be out for himself

#5 Ali623

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 10:25

Hamilton stays P1, Max goes outside Bottas into turn one and takes to the runoff



#6 timmy bolt

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 10:29

I can see ‘best ever teammate’ Bottas taking out Lewis in the ultimate plot twist.

He’s only got 2 more chances to ever win a race in F1, I reckon he’s going to be out for himself


Nah.

All that will be remembered is the championship was decided by him taking out his team mate. He's not that stupid.

#7 w1Y

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 10:47

If Max starts p3 then I reckon an all or nothing move into the lead.

Lots of grip off the line

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 10:51

If Max starts p3 then I reckon an all or nothing move into the lead.

Lots of grip off the line

 

Why should he even risk to end his race in turn 1? 

If he gets dnf and Hamilton survives the contact he's going to lose the championship.


Edited by thegamer23, 05 December 2021 - 10:52.


#9 pdac

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 10:52

Does Max take out Lewis?
Does Bottas take out Max?
Do they all take out each other?!

 

I doubt anyone is going to deliberately take out anyone else. However, Max is known for forcing overtakes and hard defending, so it's possible that either of the Merc drivers could have an incident with him. Having said that, Bottas is not as fussed about letting Max past as Lewis is.



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Posted 05 December 2021 - 10:54

Why should he even risk to end his race in turn 1? 

If he gets dnf and Hamilton survives the contact he's going to lose the championship.

I don't think Max has yet learned to develop the long game.



#11 pdac

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 10:55

I can see ‘best ever teammate’ Bottas taking out Lewis in the ultimate plot twist.

He’s only got 2 more chances to ever win a race in F1, I reckon he’s going to be out for himself

 

If Bottas were fighting Lewis for the win for the whole race (in contravention to team orders), he might find that his pit stop would be a little slower than desirable.


Edited by pdac, 05 December 2021 - 10:55.


#12 ToniF1

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 10:57

You all forgetting Charles in P4 next to Max.



#13 pdac

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 11:00

You all forgetting Charles in P4 next to Max.

 

Not for long, though.



#14 ToniF1

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 11:05

It is a short run, he has the inside, who knows...



#15 Anderis

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 11:18

I can see ‘best ever teammate’ Bottas taking out Lewis in the ultimate plot twist.

He’s only got 2 more chances to ever win a race in F1, I reckon he’s going to be out for himself

It would be out of character for Bottas to deliberately disturb Hamilton's championship challenge in such situation.

 

Also in the past, number 2 drivers who were leaving a top team didn't start to race their team mates more aggressively because of that. I have completely no idea why you think Bottas will be a different case.


Edited by Anderis, 05 December 2021 - 11:19.


#16 ANF

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 11:25

T5 worries me more...



#17 Clrnc

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 11:33

I can see ‘best ever teammate’ Bottas taking out Lewis in the ultimate plot twist.

He’s only got 2 more chances to ever win a race in F1, I reckon he’s going to be out for himself

More like Bottas will take Max out. But Max isn't stupid after Hungary. He won't risk it knowing that recently Merc has been really desperate throwing extreme moves

#18 KeithD68

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 11:35

More like Bottas will take Max out. But Max isn't stupid after Hungary. He won't risk it knowing that recently Merc has been really desperate throwing extreme moves

 

such as?



#19 TomNokoe

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 11:35

I can see ‘best ever teammate’ Bottas taking out Lewis in the ultimate plot twist.

He’s only got 2 more chances to ever win a race in F1, I reckon he’s going to be out for himself

Posts like this drive me mad. Bottas isn’t stupid.



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#20 Deeq

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 11:41

It would be out of character for Bottas to deliberately disturb Hamilton's championship challenge in such situation.

Also in the past, number 2 drivers who were leaving a top team didn't start to race their team mates more aggressively because of that. I have completely no idea why you think Bottas will be a different case.


....🤔




*Prost*

#21 BRG

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 12:04

Why should he even risk to end his race in turn 1? 

If he gets dnf and Hamilton survives the contact he's going to lose the championship.

Because Max isn't very bright?  As he showed us yesterday.



#22 Anderis

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 12:05

*Prost*

More than 30 years ago and I would hesitate calling a multiple WDC a number 2 driver.



#23 pdac

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 12:16

Because Max isn't very bright?  As he showed us yesterday.

 

He may have learnt something from yesterday, though.



#24 mcjohnson

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 12:20

Having the inside line, and with Brazil firmly in mind as their precedent, I do feel Bottas will be instructed to push Max off into the runoff on the outside of T1.

Edited by mcjohnson, 05 December 2021 - 12:20.


#25 danmills

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 13:29

I'm still with Bottas winning this on merit keeping it clean. 



#26 MKSixer

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 13:38

Hamilton stays P1, Max goes outside Bottas into turn one and takes to the runoff

This and LEC comes into play.  LEC and VER have flashbacks to karting and the lesser formulae and go into red-mist meltdown.  Lewis wins and VER comes in 4th or 5th.  

 

Meds still kicking in.   :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:



#27 BRK

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 13:38

Because Max isn't very bright?  As he showed us yesterday.

 

Pathetic. 



#28 RichardF1fan

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 13:53

I think Bottas should 'get his elbows out'. He is a quick qualifier but in the races I think has been a little too clean and going to a midfield team he will need to drive more on the acceptable limit to make an impact. So I'd like to see Bottas V4.0 as a hard driver - He's always had the speed.

 

Sadly I think he'll be passed on t1 though as if Max comes in hard he will probably back out rather than take the risk of an accident.



#29 Scotracer

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 13:58

I am worried that Max will try to go around the outside of Valterri in T2 and that barrier is well, used.

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 14:30

Bottas goes durrr...which one was the brake pedal...not that one...oopsie daisy! Hyuck hyuck! and takes both Max and Lewis out.

Perez wins.


Edited by Ruusperi, 05 December 2021 - 14:30.


#31 cpbell

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 16:40

He may have learnt something from yesterday, though.

Not sure - based on his comments, he seemed to think that pushing the final corner at 10 tenths was the right approach when he was already 3 tenths up, and that what happened was just "one of those things".  I really think that Horner and Marko don't help their #1 drivers by preventing them from being confronted with the idea that some things are their fault.


Edited by cpbell, 05 December 2021 - 16:41.


#32 Rumblestrip

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 17:14

Bottas goes durrr...which one was the brake pedal...not that one...oopsie daisy! Hyuck hyuck! and takes both Max and Lewis out.

Perez wins.

 

Funnily enough I've just put a little bet on Perez for pretty much the reason you gave (maybe not the dur bit though...). I can see there being a collision between the two title contenders with Bottas falling away during the race.



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Posted 05 December 2021 - 18:41

Plenty of different attempts 🥴