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[helioseism2]

An article on Jalopnik reports that the wife of a NASCAR driver was deeply involved in the Epstein mess. It further states that

"...keen motorsport fans were able to identify several important names in the pages, including Bernie Ecclestone, Jacques Villeneuve, Flavio Briatore, Pedro Diniz, Eddie Irvine, Lawrence Stroll, and Alejandro Agag."

 

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[Ross Stonefeld]

I thought they were meant to be a reputable site? 

 

 

 

How those men knew or interacted with Epstein is unclear, but it’s not exactly comforting.

 

Mmm, mine those sweet sweet clicks baby. Reach for the stars.

[OvDrone]

Jeffrey Epstein and Brian Vickers...

A bit random, sure, but I can see. Vickers is quite the demon in Nascar Lore.

Also those F1 and adjacent dudes, would not be surprised. 

[ClubmanGT]

The F1 names are a shocker, but I can't believe international pop music sensation Jacques Villeneuve has been caught up in this. 

[Ross Stonefeld]

Also those F1 and adjacent dudes, would not be surprised. 

 

 

I think this is one of those areas that working stiffs like us don't understand. Rich people all meet each other, 'know' each other in so far as they get each other's phone numbers or emails, and they barely know each other at all. They all go to the same terrible nightclubs and restaurants. Wasn't LeClerc just snapped hanging out with some fraudster on the run or something? 

 

Epstein's Black Book is like rich/celeb LinkedIn basically. Yeah some bad hombres are in there but a lot of them are just randos on the VIP scene. 

[jjcale]

Epstein's been known as a scumbag for decades - media calls him a "financier" but his only source of income was running young girls and blackmail ... he carried out his activities on such a scale that he could live like a billionaire even if he was not actually one (... so $20m+ expenditure per year - and that is before you get to property and investments - so that is just spending money) .... So the scale of what he was doing meant it wasnt hidden - people knew about this guy .... and he was part of a network. It wasnt a one man thing.... plus he was convicted for running young girls more than a decade ago. So after that nobody could claim they had no idea.

 

Targeting the rich and powerful for financial blackmail or, more commonly, influence operations is a well known scam. Epstein is not the first. ... young girls is not the most common. That would be sex parties. Most of the time its not about money, its about power and solidifying networks - and most of the organisers are not doing it for the money - the social side is much more important .... and it doesnt just work for the guys running the network, the guys who take part dont just get sexual favours they can get access to the network - which is much more valuable.... that's why people hung around Epstein. It wasnt for the girls - that's not hard to get - it was for the network. The seedy sex was not the main thing ... but running kids is obviously a very bad thing and Epstein's angle on a pretty common grift was just ... disgusting.     

 

And its not that all rich/powerful people know each other ... some are big networkers, others arnt - you cant generalise like that .... its that Epstein was an exceptionally good networker ... that was his real skill. That's why so many people were connected to him.

 

But being such a good networker and using the sex with kids angle to solidify his network and also carryout blackmail to make his money meant that  a lot of people knew what Epstein was about for a long time ... so if people show up in his records, they need to explain themselves .... when did they deal with him? Before the first conviction or after? How close were they to him? 

 

Its simple questions ... though, obviously, innocent till proven guilty is also an important principle to be actively respected - especially as its not at all clear how many were just part of his social network (in the real sense not in the internet site sense) and how many partook of the seedy side of his activities.   

Edited by jjcale, 10 December 2021 - 03:12.

[ARTGP]

The F1 names are a shocker, but I can't believe international pop music sensation Jacques Villeneuve has been caught up in this. 

 

I have no idea the veracity of these claims, but *not a shocker you mean? Talk about unseediest of the unseedy   . Briatore? Ecclestone? Aga? Stroll?    These men have skeletons upon skeletons in the closet.

Edited by ARTGP, 10 December 2021 - 03:23.

[JG]

Flavio Briatore... What a shocker..

[SophieB]

I have no idea the veracity of these claims, but *not a shocker you mean? Talk about unseediest of the unseedy   . Briatore? Ecclestone? Aga? Stroll?    These men have skeletons upon skeletons in the closet.

This is exactly why that article is so irresponsible. No evidence or even any actual allegations made, just meaningful nods and trusting the reader to fill in the blanks based on their imagination. Please do not casually suggest people have committed crimes without evidence here!
 

Someone feel free to pm to have this re-opened should any specific allegations be made.