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#51 earthling45

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 12:48

No mikey, no no no, Mikey..... this is so not right.

 

What should be investigated is how close of a relationship Toto Wolff (who is a team bos) has with the race director Michael Masi.

It is apparently close enough that Toto even has a pet name for Michael, one would not expect this at such a high level of profession because it obviously shows it is much closer than it should be.



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#52 w00dy

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 12:55

No mikey, no no no, Mikey..... this is so not right.

 

What should be investigated is how close of a relationship Toto Wolff (who is a team bos) has with the race director Michael Masi.

It is apparently close enough that Toto even has a pet name for Michael, one would not expect this at such a high level of profession because it obviously shows it is much closer than it should be.

 

I'm gonna defend Toto on this one. That's just his accent, he says Michael.



#53 Frank Tuesday

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 13:16

Gotta keep the line clear so that Liberty and Netflix can tell him what they want.

#54 sketchy2001

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 13:36

IMO, an intermediary in RC is a clear first step.  Maybe also enforce a single "voice" from each team?

I agree that there is nothing that that team can say to RC that needs a split second response.

 

Keep all responses to the team neutral, eg "Noted", "The stewards are currently looking at that", etc.

 

Make the channel open so everyone can hear how desperate/inappropriate the team requests are and ensure RC are listening



#55 loki

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 16:08

But the intermediary makes the process slower.

 Cup has twice the cars and it seems to work well.  An intermediary is faster than messaging.



#56 loki

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 16:12

No mikey, no no no, Mikey..... this is so not right.

 

What should be investigated is how close of a relationship Toto Wolff (who is a team bos) has with the race director Michael Masi.

It is apparently close enough that Toto even has a pet name for Michael, one would not expect this at such a high level of profession because it obviously shows it is much closer than it should be.

Some people are known by shorter or variants of their full birth name.  I know Michaels who are Mike, Mikey or Micky even in a business setting.  I wouldn’t read too much into it particularly with Wolfe’s accent.



#57 statman

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Posted 19 December 2021 - 15:40

ah, it's finally sinking in?

 

Wolff: Horner and I "overstepped" in radio messages to Masi in 2021 · RaceFans



#58 Myrvold

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Posted 19 December 2021 - 15:47

I really liked this piece by Glenn Freeman about team principals and managers screaming at the race director: https://the-race.com...f1-finale-mess/

And in particular this suggestion:

 

A bit late to the party here...

 

But every race I've done IRL as a driver and any kind of steward/marshal/deputy race director/scrutineer have had this is some form. There's been a possibility to talk directly to the chief steward or race director if said person have time to do it, and said person contacts you. Other than that there has always been someone to talk to/contact that doesn't interrupt the work the officials do.

 

I am amazed that F1 "the top of motorsport" doesn't have this. Then again, FIA seem to combine (as allowed in the rules) the clerk of the course and secretary of the event in many instances as well. Of course this is possible, but when you run big events, it's better to specialize and focus the duties and responsibilities.



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Posted 19 December 2021 - 15:47

Most reasonable stuff I heard from Wolff in quite a while, I have to say. :up:

 

Still think communication from teams to RC should be banned completely during races, for all team members. Delegating to some other guy than the TP will eventually only lead to teams employing some sort of "communication specialists" for the task, guys like those negotiating with criminals holding hostages or something. :D


Edited by as65p, 19 December 2021 - 17:43.


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#60 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 19 December 2021 - 18:25

In reality not broadcasting it in the first place would produce the same effect...

#61 as65p

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Posted 19 December 2021 - 20:15

In reality not broadcasting it in the first place would produce the same effect...

Disagree. The lobbying and dealing itself is the problem, not so much if we get to hear it live or not.



#62 jonpollak

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Posted 19 December 2021 - 20:28

Team members should only be speaking to the race director when the race director decides to speak to them.


THIS !!!
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#63 MKSixer

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Posted 19 December 2021 - 20:46

Most reasonable stuff I heard from Wolff in quite a while, I have to say. :up:

 

Still think communication from teams to RC should be banned completely during races, for all team members. Delegating to some other guy than the TP will eventually only lead to teams employing some sort of "communication specialists" for the task, guys like those negotiating with criminals holding hostages or something. :D

You don't realize the complete import of what you just wrote:  It will end up being an attorney/barrister.  Can you imagine?!?!!


Edited by MKSixer, 19 December 2021 - 20:47.


#64 wrcva

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Posted 19 December 2021 - 23:49

WTF, let them talk as much as they want.   RD does not have to engage, and could tell them to shut the heck up, or just ignore them.   Why do they have to keep coming up with these politically correct solutions to none existing problems, I have no idea.   If the RD is incompetent, or too weak or too emotional to execute his role effectively FIA should fire his *ss, and be done with it.  If TPs are keep abusing the channel they can slap a Mosley style fine and fix it.    F1 followers need even more insights into every aspect of racing on every channel, not less...  



#65 Clatter

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 00:39

In reality not broadcasting it in the first place would produce the same effect...

Sound like Trump. Don't test people because then all the covid cases will go away. Being kept in the dark, doesn't mean the issue has gone away.

#66 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 01:25

Sound like Trump. Don't test people because then all the covid cases will go away. Being kept in the dark, doesn't mean the issue has gone away.

But the messages only became a cringy issue when Liberty started airing them....The same goes for the driver messages...

#67 Westcoustskt

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 08:32

I think they should keep it ass it is. It was fun listening to them and it added to the drama.

#68 Clatter

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 10:21

But the messages only became a cringy issue when Liberty started airing them....The same goes for the driver messages...

The messages being cringy is not the problem. Its the lobbying that is. Being ignorant of it going on doesn't mean there is no problem.

#69 Stephane

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 10:46

Where i agree with MasterofCoin is that the airing of these messages probably changed the way those exchanges are conducted.

 

I don't know how it was before, but clearly, Toto knows he is "on air", in sound AND vision.



#70 Clatter

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 11:30

Where i agree with MasterofCoin is that the airing of these messages probably changed the way those exchanges are conducted.

 

I don't know how it was before, but clearly, Toto knows he is "on air", in sound AND vision.

 


That's something you only guess about though. It's possible they have actually toned themselves down, knowing it may be broadcast. Either way I would personally prefer to know these things are going on, than be be kept in the dark.

#71 Casey

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 12:12

So they politely ask the team principals to stop the childish bickering and stop trying to influence race control decisions on the radio   .

 

Wolff's response is not just owning to his part but yet again drags Horner's name in and tries to influence the way they should handle it from now on with his own idea's  :lol:



#72 goldenboy

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 12:32

Gotta keep the line clear so that Liberty and Netflix can tell him what they want.

Spot on :)



#73 goldenboy

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 12:33

No mikey, no no no, Mikey..... this is so not right.

 

What should be investigated is how close of a relationship Toto Wolff (who is a team bos) has with the race director Michael Masi.

It is apparently close enough that Toto even has a pet name for Michael, one would not expect this at such a high level of profession because it obviously shows it is much closer than it should be.

It sounds like he is saying "Michael" with a thick accent to me. 



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Posted 20 December 2021 - 12:35

I don't have a problem with the driver being told when to pit, deliberating on strategy, or being told the gaps over the radio. The rest of it can go in the bin. Let them use their brains to go faster or save tires over a stint. Listening to the engineer tell the driver to watch the front tire temperature in T17 never felt right. Too much information.

I can remember a driver had an issue which could be solved but the engineer wasn't allowed to tell him.
That was such a strange moment.
They quickly ditched that rule.



#75 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 12:43

The messages being cringy is not the problem. Its the lobbying that is. Being ignorant of it going on doesn't mean there is no problem.

The lobbying over the air is just the tip of the pandering.... They're doing it from the start of FP's till after the race....even Sky gives Horner a microphone during the races to lobby when he wants....most fans have believe to this goes on behind the scenes...

Edited by MasterOfCoin, 20 December 2021 - 12:45.


#76 Clatter

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 13:05

The lobbying over the air is just the tip of the pandering.... They're doing it from the start of FP's till after the race....even Sky gives Horner a microphone during the races to lobby when he wants....most fans have believe to this goes on behind the scenes...

 


I'll bet most fans were unaware there was this level of comms between the teams and RC during the race, before it was broadcast.

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 15:27

Team Principals to be Banned From Communicating

 

Just that - I'd vote for that.  Never to have to hear Horner or Wolff or any of the others ever again.  Bliss!



#78 DS27

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 17:21

 

F1 fans can handle the truth and facts!   

 

 

This forum is pretty conclusive proof that they can't.



#79 pdac

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 23:00

This forum is pretty conclusive proof that they can't.

 

I can handle it. I just don't want it to continue.


Edited by pdac, 20 December 2021 - 23:00.