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What is Daniel Ricciardo thinking right now having seen Red Bull win the WDC?


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#51 gowebber

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 10:23

Well for example don't Mercedes have a rule which limits the amount of engines a customer team can use over a season? That is a massive impediment on a team like McLaren chasing a title.


I can't find anything about that I mean how would you even come to an agreement on a number anyway given you have no idea what might happen in regards to how many engines you will need during the season. All I could find was just the usual application of penalties if you use more than 3.

Toto even said it was good supplying customers overall more pros than cons even if there was a risk a team like McLaren could challenge Merc as he stated. Obviously his statement below he means 2022 not 2021 as this article was written in 2019 before it got pushed back.

"Mercedes Formula 1 boss Toto Wolff acknowledges there is a "risk" in supplying engines to McLaren from 2021 because it has the potential to rival his own team."

Wolff said: "A new era is going to start in 2021 with compressed grids, with more competition, and we believe that from a PU side there is more learning for us in this exercise, with more competitive customers adding to the two [Racing Point and Williams] that we have.

"And we rate McLaren strongly. The steps that Zak [Brown, McLaren F1 CEO] and Andreas [Seidl, McLaren team principal] have initiated certainly look very promising.

"The advantages outweigh the potential deficits of fighting a hard competitor like McLaren in the future."

https://www.motorspo...l-risk/4554587/
 

I don’t know. It was obvious to me that something screwy happened with the distribution of Mercedes power units this year. It was clear that the factory got prioritized. There’s some comments on it from the Alpine boss. They definitely drew the short stick. I think Mclaren are going switch to VAG anyways. So it won’t be long for them to be able to have themselves prioritized.

It’s not just about having the same spec as Mercedes. It about being able to design the packaging, the entire shape of the power unit and it’s cooling requirement to suit your car optimally. As it is, that PU is designed for a Merc aero package.


I heard that engines and parts are put into a pool and the dealt out to the various customers fairly to stop the monopoly by the suppliers choosing what they thought had the slightly better tolerance levels etc. Also remember McLaren were handicapped with the silly token rules this year too in regards to fitting the PU. Next year they are not hindered by that.


Edited by gowebber, 15 December 2021 - 13:36.


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#52 Spyker

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 10:26

 

"I'm glad I'm not caught up in all of that"



#53 UreaBorealis

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 14:53

It wouldn't have been him anyway. Red Bull is team Max now and hard to see that changing anytime soon. He has better chances at it elsewhere.



#54 Whitelightning

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 14:54

He wouldn’t have stood a chance anyway by the every improving Max so I doubt he would think too much. Maybe glad he left and not to watch a teammate lift something he so badly wants

#55 mclarensmps

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 14:56

 

FYI I have no idea why he moved to McLaren from Renault. The smart decision was to stay at Alpine for the 2022 regs, as McLaren won't be a title contender anytime soon. Alpine has an outside chance

 

Not sure why you watch the sport since you already know the future. 



#56 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 15:17

Ricciardo’s star has faded pretty quickly now. A bad choice at Renault and now he’s soundly beaten by Norris. If that happens again next year, I can only see him ending up at Aston Martin when they’re looking for another ‘star’ driver on paper to replace Vettel.

#57 FrontWing

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 16:11

Or ... and try to stay with me here for a sec ... Max would have beaten him because he's clearly the faster more talented driver.

Or... And try to stay with me here... Although he may not be as fast or as talented as Max, he'd have out qualified and beaten Max enough times during the season to make things uncomfortable. If Dan was in the car this season, Max wouldn't be champion, Lewis would. So I think Dan would have got screwed over eventually.
Max has his servant in the other car now, so all is good.

#58 ARTGP

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 16:14

Or... And try to stay with me here... Although he may not be as fast or as talented as Max, he'd have out qualified and beaten Max enough times during the season to make things uncomfortable. If Dan was in the car this season, Max wouldn't be champion, Lewis would. So I think Dan would have got screwed over eventually.
Max has his servant in the other car now, so all is good.

We’ve done this thought exercise before. Ricciardo assuming 2018 levels of parity would have taken many more points off Lewis by his qualifying much closer to be relevant in the race. So Ric at RB doesn’t make Lewis champion.

Edited by ARTGP, 15 December 2021 - 16:15.


#59 FrontWing

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 16:16

We’ve done this thought exercise before. Ricciardo assuming 2018 levels of parity would have taken many more points off Lewis by his qualifying much closer to be relevant in the race. So Ric at RB doesn’t make Lewis champion.


I beg to differ I'm afraid. The way Max drives, there would have been collisions between them and things going sour...

Edited by FrontWing, 15 December 2021 - 16:18.


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#60 Casey

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 16:19

Or... And try to stay with me here... Although he may not be as fast or as talented as Max, he'd have out qualified and beaten Max enough times during the season to make things uncomfortable. If Dan was in the car this season, Max wouldn't be champion, Lewis would. So I think Dan would have got screwed over eventually.
Max has his servant in the other car now, so all is good.

 

But that's years ago against a much younger , still inexperienced Max .

Dan said himself after Max took the championship how much Max has still grown as a driver and he was more then a handful for Dan in 2018 .



#61 Dan333SP

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 17:24

Dan's probably just really happy for Max. Baku happened, but ultimately they are actually quite close and good friends, so I'm sure Dan is over the moon for Max on the title. 

 

Dan also knows he isn't quicker than Max, and wouldn't have won a title while in the same car. He may well have swayed the WCC to RBR, though, because he's a much better qualifier than Sergio. 



#62 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 17:37

Ricciardo-a-special-tattoo-as-a-gift-fro



#63 SCUDmissile

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 17:38

He wouldn't have won this title anyways

#64 garoidb

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 17:42

If next year's Alpine were to be a world beater then he would have cause for regrets. As things stand, though, there is just as much chance (or more) of the McLaren being up there so it would just be hindsight.



#65 jjcale

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 17:45

He's probably too busy counting his money .... Redbull could not afford to pay both him and MV anyway ... matter of time before he left.



#66 DeKnyff

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 17:53

A quality of world-class athletes (any sport) is that they look always forward, never back.



#67 statman

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 07:56

Daniel Ricciardo has no 'what might have been' thoughts about leaving Red Bull



#68 Eff One 2002

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 08:04

What's he thinking? Probably that he should have stayed put.


Edited by Eff One 2002, 16 December 2021 - 08:05.


#69 ForzaGTR

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 10:04

Max would have thrashed him, no chance Ric beats Max.



#70 george1981

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 10:18

Had he stayed at Redbull neither driver would have won the championship this year. Verstappen was Redbull's favourite and he'd continue to get preferential treatment. Not to say his advantage is due to preferential treatment but like the Schumacher he clearly gets preference because he's so good. 



#71 F1 Mike

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 11:21

Now he's in the exact same spot. Big team on the comeback but there's a younger faster driver next to him. And if McLaren are championship contenders, he'll end up having to support Lando.

Ironic.


I think he'll be more settled next season and hopefully can be more of a match for Lando. He won a race this year remember, he still has what it takes.
If they're equal on the track there's no reason they wouldn't be equal in the team.
You think maybe he can't match Lando over the season? I'm not so sure, will have to just wait and see

#72 Spillage

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 11:23

Not a lot really. I don't think he was going to outperform Verstappen over the full season. He'd definitely have a lot more wins if he'd stayed put though.

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 11:31

Thank **** I don't have to be nice to Helmut Marko anymore

#74 AlexPrime

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 11:36

I hope McLaren gives him and Lando the chance to fight next year!



#75 Anderis

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 11:41

Had he stayed at Redbull neither driver would have won the championship this year.

How can you know that?

 

Ricciardo would be very likely to have finished ahead of Hamilton a couple of times more than Perez and by qualifying better than Perez, he would've given Red Bull better strategic options, maybe swinging a couple of races like Spain in favour of Red Bull.



#76 Dalton007

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 14:18

I can't see him becoming WDC. Lando has his number. Out of the fire, into the frying pan.



#77 pacwest

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 16:36

Nothing.

Red Bull didn't win the WDC. Max won the WDC in a Red Bull car after Horner asked Masi for 5 cars to be unlapped. Danny Boy knows a toxic situation and he got out. He's also a class act to not bitch about it openly. 



#78 Boxerevo

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 17:12

I believe he still has it in him.

After Button's championship, you have always to believe in yourself, that things can come to you and you will deliver.

Edited by Boxerevo, 16 December 2021 - 17:12.


#79 HighwayStar

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 19:54

I'm not sure things would have been that much different if Ricciardo had stayed with Red Bull for 2019. He would have performed better than Gasly and Albon but his stock would have fallen in 2019 as Verstappen would have established himself as the faster driver and team leader. In such a scenario I think he would probably have left Red Bull in the 2020 driver merry go round triggered by Vettel leaving Ferrari, this would probably have have resulted in him either moving to the Scuderia for 2021 as Vettel's replacement or moving to McLaren to replace Sainz, in which case he would have ended up exactly where he is now. Either of those seats would have seemed like a better bet than Renault was in 2018 and wouldn't have been such a big surprise.

 

He could have won races had he stayed but this would have been dependent on Verstappen having a DNF or a difficult weekend at a circuit that where Red Bull was sufficiently competitive, which was a possibility in 2019 but less likely in 2020 (with the possible exception of the Austrian GP, it is fun to imagine how that race might have worked out with Ricciardo in place of Albon!). However, as Red Bull was not competitive enough to win the WDC in 2019 or 2020, and I do not think he would have stayed around for 2021 in any case, I do not think Ricciardo has any reason to seriously regret leaving. If anything Red Bull have more reason to do so, as I think he is faster than any of the second drivers they have run since he left and he may have scored enough points to win them the WCC this year.


Edited by HighwayStar, 16 December 2021 - 19:54.


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#80 HeadFirst

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Posted 17 December 2021 - 03:53

I think Dan felt happy for Max for about 60 seconds, then moved on to the difficult decision of which beach to spend Christmas vacation on.  :cool:



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Posted 17 December 2021 - 11:14

How can you know that?

 

Ricciardo would be very likely to have finished ahead of Hamilton a couple of times more than Perez and by qualifying better than Perez, he would've given Red Bull better strategic options, maybe swinging a couple of races like Spain in favour of Red Bull.

 

 

It's my opinion that Ricciardo is a better driver than Perez and one that has been through the Redbull system. I think this would give him an elevated status within the Redbull team in comparison to Perez in 2021 who is clearly there as a number 2 to support Max. 

 

So Redbull wouldn't have been able to favour Max as soon as they did this year. I agree that having Ricciardo there might have given Redbull more strategic options and even when they had the fastest car Daniel might have been second behind Max and taken points off Lewis.