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#1 WonderWoman61

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 13:24

Can include tests that never went anywhere.

The Group S Audi and Toyota obviously, any others?

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#2 RS2000

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 16:12

Difficult to immediately think of some that never ran in an event, given that the "free  formula" format of UK non-International events and some European events allowed prototypes to run.

 

I can't recall the 4wd Manta 400 ever running in an event (and the cold war BRIXMIS Senators with essentially the same FF transmission is an interesting background to it).

The Fiesta with Mk2 Escort mechanicals is probably another (but the aborted Mk3 Escort equivalent went on to a significant number of rallies in South Africa). 



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Posted 23 December 2021 - 16:21

It's a difficult one.  The very nature of rallying, even at the highest levels until fairly recently, allowed people to use car models even if the manufacturer wasn't interested or was actively opposed.  As long as the particular car was homologated, you or I could brew one up in our home garage.  And in lesser status events that didn't demand homologated cars, you had complete freedom subject to the basic safety rules.  Hence on the Suffolk Stages one year, we found ourselves sandwiched in the queue between a Morgan Plus 8 and the just-released Range Rover.  Now, XX years later, Morgan have just started to make an off-road version!

 

Did the Astra Group S car ever compete on rallies?  Rallycross, yes.


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#4 WonderWoman61

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 17:13

The 2017 Volkswagen Polo WRC.

#5 Myhinpaa

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 19:03



 

Did the Astra Group S car ever compete on rallies?  Rallycross, yes.

 

Andrew Wood/Mike Nicholson 1986 Audi National: https://youtu.be/-IRuawBAi4E

 

Ari Vatanen demonstrated the 4WD Manta 400 Prototype to the press before the '83 Swedish: https://rallygroupbs...-4x4-prototype/

 

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Edited by Myhinpaa, 29 December 2021 - 16:32.


#6 GLaird

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 20:20

I recall, I think, a 4WD Vauxhall Corsa, built by Syndey Meeke,(Kris' dad) with a 2ltr Touring Car engine demonstrated by Richard Young, possibly at a Kirkistown single venue rally, or Nutts Corner.



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Posted 27 December 2021 - 10:49

What about the works Mercedes entry that fell over leaving Walter Rohrl without a drive in 1981? There were quite a few around the Group B/S era, Mazda RX7 4wd, Mitsubishi Starion 4wd and the previously mentioned Astra 4wd come to mind.

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Posted 27 December 2021 - 11:15

There was the Citroen BX 4TC Group B car.  I bet Citroen wish that had never happened...



#9 RS2000

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Posted 27 December 2021 - 18:46

i think the 4wd Starion ran first car on the "national" event tacked on to the second leg of an RAC.

 

The BX4TC ran on a couple of International events at least with J-C Andruet, including a Monte. Intriguingly a biography of cyclist Robert Millar (now Pippa York) refers to "the Citroen rally car in the garage" of then French home. The French Forum Auto had a thread on the subject of "where are all the BX4TCs" but didn't clarify that rumour. 

 

Still struggling to think of other works rally cars that never competed in an event. There will be plenty of home built club cars that  were prepared to a unique spec but were never used in anger.


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Posted 27 December 2021 - 19:13

I recall, I think, a 4WD Vauxhall Corsa, built by Syndey Meeke,(Kris' dad) with a 2ltr Touring Car engine demonstrated by Richard Young, possibly at a Kirkistown single venue rally, or Nutts Corner.



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Posted 27 December 2021 - 19:14

I think the car was used on some NI events

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Posted 27 December 2021 - 20:49

An article on some of these mentioned cars, not too bad actually: https://drivetribe.c...uSGWfl4xg3yCGsw

 

No mention of the the Talbot UK project with Lotus, the Gp.B Talbot Horizon with mid engine. They made two prototypes, one N/A and one with turbo. (Like the RS1700(T)

Stig Blomqvist did some testing in late '81. Possibly only one of them survives? At least there's one in a museum in France, the CAAPY in Poissy

 

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#13 RS2000

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Posted 28 December 2021 - 17:55

No mention of the the Talbot UK project with Lotus, the Gp.B Talbot Horizon with mid engine. They made two prototypes, one N/A and one with turbo. (Like the RS1700(T)

Stig Blomqvist did some testing in late '81. Possibly only one of them survives? At least there's one in a museum in France, the CAAPY in Poissy

 

 

I was walking past the Talbot service point in a large lay by on the 81 RAC and slowed as I overheard Des tell a concerned Stig "We'll get you a car for next year". I think I also heard a reference to testing, which presumably was the Horizon.

A club member who went to Paris specially to go to the Citroen Museum (well, we all have our foibles) brought back a photo of it.
 



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Posted 20 July 2022 - 17:32

With regards to driver moves, the late Richard Burns was supposed to return to Subaru for the 2004 WRC but the brain tumor that later claimed his life put paid to that. The late Colin McRae was the favourite to take the seat but he lost out to Mikki Hirvonen.