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Zak Brown: Budget cap rows may mean no sprints in '22


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#1 Brawn BGP 001

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Posted 18 January 2022 - 22:58

Formula 1 is in danger of not having any sprint events this year as a result of a stand-off over money, says McLaren boss Zak Brown.

F1 had an agreement in principle from the teams to increase the number of sprints from three to six in 2022.

But eight out of 10 teams need to agree on details to secure the sprints, and some are holding out for more money.


 

Last year a financial deal was agreed to provide the teams with a small payment to offset potential damage from more racing.

But Brown said the big teams were trying to take advantage of this by pushing for a larger than necessary increase in the budget cap, which is set at $140m (£103m) this year.

"A couple of teams, and one team in particular, wanted a $5m budget cap increase, which was just ridiculous," Brown said.

"And no rational facts behind it. When you challenged them, they go to what if and could and you've got to anticipate. You sit there and go 'This is just nonsense.'"


https://www.bbc.co.u...rmula1/60036659

 

Interesting read, also his thoughts on Abu Dhabi, Hamilton future and VAG group.


Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 18 January 2022 - 23:02.


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#2 Squeed

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Posted 18 January 2022 - 23:07

I kind of figured that cost would be the death of sprint races.  



#3 Fastcake

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Posted 18 January 2022 - 23:10

The greed of the teams wanting more money to race up against the greed of Formula One wanting more track action to squeeze money out of.

 

They're not going to ditch sprint qualifying because it's unpopular, pointless and achieves nothing, but they may do it because of money. How appropriate.



#4 ARTGP

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Posted 18 January 2022 - 23:12

The greed of the teams wanting more money to race up against the greed of Formula One wanting more track action to squeeze money out of.

 

 

It's like evil villain vs evil villain. Highly underutilized plot trope these days. I love it  :lol:

 

 

Unfortunately for anyone licking their chops, I doubt sprint races will be abandoned. 


Edited by ARTGP, 18 January 2022 - 23:13.


#5 Britmax

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Posted 18 January 2022 - 23:14

I kind of figured that cost would be the death of sprint races.  

With any luck something will be.



#6 Ruusperi

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Posted 18 January 2022 - 23:29

Best news of the century :clap: 



#7 Cliff

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Posted 18 January 2022 - 23:32

Would be great, hate those sprint races with a vengeance.



#8 kumo7

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Posted 18 January 2022 - 23:34

Besides costing more the sprints were pointless!

#9 P123

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Posted 18 January 2022 - 23:43

It's like evil villain vs evil villain. Highly underutilized plot trope these days. I love it  :lol:

 

 

Unfortunately for anyone licking their chops, I doubt sprint races will be abandoned. 

 

Agreed, they will find a compromise. And fans will then be unable to thank the teams Brown refers to. ;)



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Posted 19 January 2022 - 00:01

Quite intriguing which team wanted a 5 million cost cap increase... hope we'll find out. :cat:



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Posted 19 January 2022 - 00:05

The greed of the teams wanting more money to race up against the greed of Formula One wanting more track action to squeeze money out of.

 

They're not going to ditch sprint qualifying because it's unpopular, pointless and achieves nothing, but they may do it because of money. How appropriate.

they deserve each other



#12 loki

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 00:31

Money is the excuse.  The real reason is the competitive variable.



#13 kumo7

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 00:32

Quite intriguing which team wanted a 5 million cost cap increase... hope we'll find out. :cat:



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#14 Fastcake

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 00:40

Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull I imagine, as they’re the ones who have all already been griping over the budget cap.

#15 Dmitriy_Guller

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 00:48

Oh, no!



#16 jumpeyspyder

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 00:50

There is one thing I like about sprint races.. It give less setup time before the real race!
Less time for the top cars to perfect car balance and race strategy..and a small but welcome chance that backmarker teams 'to have a stroke of luck' and get things working out of the box!

Scrap the sprint race,  reduce practise session time (Maybe new drivers get an extra session to learn the track) and add some extra on track racing for fans at the track!


Edited by jumpeyspyder, 19 January 2022 - 00:54.


#17 loki

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 01:08

The issue with reducing practice is fans at the track have less F1 to watch (as well as broadcasters).  Even with reduced practice now the order is relatively the same.  The only variable that could change that is a heat race.  Even then it’s mostly the same order though there is a chance for someone to perform better than they would in qualifying or for a front runner to make a mistake.



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Posted 19 January 2022 - 02:04

Screw the increase in budget caps, the teams should tell F1 they want to be paid to run them.  

 

With luck this would end them for good.  



#19 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 03:33

Sprint is a must.

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#20 AustinF1

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 06:39

Quite intriguing which team wanted a 5 million cost cap increase... hope we'll find out. :cat:

I think the answer is the same as the answer to the question "Who spends the most?"

 

I think we know who that is -  the same team whose TP has said (not publicly) "We'll spend however much it takes to win".



#21 AustinF1

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 06:43

Zak sure seems to be rocking the F1 boat the last day or two, potentially getting under the skin of his team's engine supplier, imho. Seems very interesting imho, given the rumors of a future Audi connection.



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Posted 19 January 2022 - 07:08

Besides costing more the sprints were pointless!

No they weren't.The sprint weekends were the most exciting. The sprint changed everything about the weekend. Sunday races were more intense because everyone shows their cards in the sprint



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Posted 19 January 2022 - 07:27

Sprint races seem to have mostly entertainment value only.

 

So maybe those making the decisions should ask the fan base, if

 

a) they the like the concept of sprint races,

 

and more importantly

 

b) do fans like the concept that much to be willing to pay extra money.

 

Especially if b is not a viable option, abandon the concept altogether.

 

Also, apparently F1 gained new fans last year, meaning some extra funds. Where did that money go to?


Edited by HP, 19 January 2022 - 07:27.


#24 Astandahl

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 07:30

Quite intriguing which team wanted a 5 million cost cap increase... hope we'll find out. :cat:

We know them already. They are MB, Ferrari and Red Bull.



#25 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 07:34

We need a strong character like Michael Messiah to remind them:
"That is called Budget Cap"
"This is called Sprint Racing"

And then ask everybody to repeat after him :clap:

Edited by RainyAfterlifeDaylight, 19 January 2022 - 07:40.


#26 Nemo1965

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 07:53

Really? Nobody. Well, then. In reaction to the thread title:


https://imgflip.com/i/61t59y

Edited by Nemo1965, 19 January 2022 - 07:53.


#27 PayasYouRace

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 07:56

I actually enjoyed the sprint format. I’d like to see a few more. Still, the overall negative reaction from fans means it’s probably not a bad thing if they don’t do them any more.



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Posted 19 January 2022 - 08:01

Good news.

 

They will be gone for the wrong reason, but at least they’ll be gone.



#29 carbonfibre

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 08:50

Nice moment to scrap that nonsense completely I would say

#30 absinthedude

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 08:51

Good riddance if they go. The sprint races brought nothing extra to the table and detracted from the grands prix. 

 

I'm hoping this is the FIA/Liberty waking up to how unpopular the format was and finding an excuse to go back on their rushed decision to hold even more of the wretched things next year.

 

Hell. I might even feel like watching if they also address the "pantomime" and WWE elements. 



#31 macjim

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 09:14

And the crowd went wild............................ :clap:  :clap:



#32 Beri

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 09:16

Good riddance.



#33 JimmyClark

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 09:23

I actually enjoyed the sprint format. I’d like to see a few more. Still, the overall negative reaction from fans means it’s probably not a bad thing if they don’t do them any more.

They clearly don't care about the fans; the TV companies and promoters are the ones enthused about it.

I'm ambivalent whilst sat at home, neither for or against to be honest - and sprint weekends all had interesting main races, but whether that was coincidence or not needs more of them for proof (I'm inclined to think it was coincidence).

What I will say is that I'm hoping to go to Monza this year, and I will be quite disappointed if it is a sprint weekend again as I'd like to see more track action.

Edited by JimmyClark, 19 January 2022 - 09:23.


#34 IrvTheSwerve

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 09:26

Thank God for that.



#35 kumo7

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 09:53

No they weren't.The sprint weekends were the most exciting. The sprint changed everything about the weekend. Sunday races were more intense because everyone shows their cards in the sprint

 

Well I am happy for you.



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Posted 19 January 2022 - 10:12

Ambivalent about whether F1 should have sprint races but highly suspicious of teams trying to use them as a reason to raise the budget cap. 



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Posted 19 January 2022 - 10:23

Hallelujah! Gotta love how money may end up being the reason they don’t do these extra Sprint races. Every site I visit and read the comments they do seem deeply unpopular, but I guess that isn’t necessarily taking the casual viewers into account.

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 11:05

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...rmula1/60036659

 

Interesting read, also his thoughts on Abu Dhabi, Hamilton future and VAG group.

 

 

"formula 1 is in danger..."

 

Wait, wut? That is no danger! That is proper good news if the sprint nonsense is scrapped, any way possible. 

 

 

But I will not get my hopes up.



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Posted 19 January 2022 - 11:35

We know them already. They are MB, Ferrari and Red Bull.

"A couple of teams, and one team in particular, wanted a $5m budget cap increase..."

 

I mean that one.  ;)



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#40 NoForumForOldPole

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 12:24

"Karma" - Alonso



#41 jstrains

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 12:33

I would suggest a replacement for the sprint races. Stop the last race of the season with 1 lap to go, decide the WDC on the last lap... oh sh... this sounds familiar to me  :lol:

 

(they do not even need extra millions for it, all they need is to advertise it somehow, maybe they can call it some F1 Grande Finale or whatever)


Edited by jstrains, 19 January 2022 - 12:36.


#42 mclarensmps

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 14:50

Good, I'll be glad if they're scrapped altogether. 



#43 Atreiu

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 15:31

Oh no, anyway...



#44 Seanspeed

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 16:07

In unrelated news, I am apparently 'in danger' of a really good raise this year.  



#45 pdac

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 16:33

I guess, from this point on, any changes that require team approval will result in (some) teams demanding the budget cap be increased. Perhaps the FIA should counter by threaten to reduce the budget cap if they don't agree to things.



#46 Bleu

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 17:22

The biggest damage we saw in 2021 sprints was Gasly in Monza?



#47 F1Frog

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 17:25

My take on the sprint races:

https://f1frogblog.w...3/sprint-races/


Edited by F1Frog, 19 January 2022 - 21:51.


#48 Red5ive

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 17:26

Fingers crossed he is right.



#49 ExFlagMan

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 17:46

Hallelujah! Gotta love how money may end up being the reason they don’t do these extra Sprint races. Every site I visit and read the comments they do seem deeply unpopular, but I guess that isn’t necessarily taking the casual viewers into account.

 

I wonder how many casual viewers actually know that F1 has tried sprint races this year.



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Posted 19 January 2022 - 17:58

I wonder how many casual viewers actually know that F1 has tried sprint races this year.

 

Doesn't really matter. Any of those casual viewers who watched the season close will not be coming back anyway.