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#2551 prty

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 06:02

Aren't they both Spanish?

Agreed though that it isn't a good look for Ocon. Just needs to keep his head down. If he's asked questions just wish Alonso the best etc. Ogherwise he's just drawing needless heat.


Are you seriously asking if Maldonado and Rossi are Spanish?

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#2552 wj_gibson

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 07:45

Imagine how much further behind Ocon would have been if Alonso had done more than 2% of the work.



#2553 BRG

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 09:39

Ocon seems to go out of his way to make it hard to like him.

 

2023 is going to be such fun chez Alpine.  As long as you aren't part of the team.



#2554 PitViperRacing

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 10:43

Are you seriously asking if Maldonado and Rossi are Spanish?


Moreso pointing out that their comments are heavily influenced by national loyalty

#2555 solochamp07

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 13:34

He also can thank Alonso for that win. 

 

This. Ocon's attitude is infuriating, with his endless passive-aggressive jabs. Just like he drives.

 

Alonso single-handedly (well, two-handedly I guess) fabricated from nothing, the chance for Ocon's first and probably only career victory. Not only that, Alonso voluntarily sacrificed his own race to do so. Had ALO not destroyed his tires fighting HAM but just let him past right away, he could have ridden Lewis' coattails right past Ocon to second place, f** you very much! But instead he chose to defend like Gilles, torpedoing his own podium chances to help his teammate to realize his (surely otherwise unobtainable!) dream. And help his team grab a whack of points, while himself scoring fewer than he could have.

And this is the thanks he got, from team and teammate. No wonder he was so anxious to leave. I can't wait to see him next year, sticking it to the croissants in that beautiful green car with the bulletproof lump. I have no doubt he will be showing them his derriere on most Sundays.



#2556 crespo

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 15:54

This. Ocon's attitude is infuriating, with his endless passive-aggressive jabs. Just like he drives.

 

Alonso single-handedly (well, two-handedly I guess) fabricated from nothing, the chance for Ocon's first and probably only career victory. Not only that, Alonso voluntarily sacrificed his own race to do so. Had ALO not destroyed his tires fighting HAM but just let him past right away, he could have ridden Lewis' coattails right past Ocon to second place, f** you very much! But instead he chose to defend like Gilles, torpedoing his own podium chances to help his teammate to realize his (surely otherwise unobtainable!) dream. And help his team grab a whack of points, while himself scoring fewer than he could have.

And this is the thanks he got, from team and teammate. No wonder he was so anxious to leave. I can't wait to see him next year, sticking it to the croissants in that beautiful green car with the bulletproof lump. I have no doubt he will be showing them his derriere on most Sundays.

Maybe now Ocon won't be driving Alonso into walls since his car is no longer bleu.

 

Green car? Ah, go right ahead, good sir.

 

Gasly probably already knows to be careful around the other bleu.



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Posted 01 December 2022 - 16:00

Maybe now Ocon won't be driving Alonso into walls since his car is no longer bleu.

 

 

 

 

The fights between them won't be pretty next year.



#2558 garoidb

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 16:03

This. Ocon's attitude is infuriating, with his endless passive-aggressive jabs. Just like he drives.

 

Alonso single-handedly (well, two-handedly I guess) fabricated from nothing, the chance for Ocon's first and probably only career victory. Not only that, Alonso voluntarily sacrificed his own race to do so. Had ALO not destroyed his tires fighting HAM but just let him past right away, he could have ridden Lewis' coattails right past Ocon to second place, f** you very much! But instead he chose to defend like Gilles, torpedoing his own podium chances to help his teammate to realize his (surely otherwise unobtainable!) dream. And help his team grab a whack of points, while himself scoring fewer than he could have.

And this is the thanks he got, from team and teammate. No wonder he was so anxious to leave. I can't wait to see him next year, sticking it to the croissants in that beautiful green car with the bulletproof lump. I have no doubt he will be showing them his derriere on most Sundays.

 

I just think Alonso did what any team-mate should and would do. It wasn't an enormous sacrifice for him and he probably did it for the team as much as Esteban. He did it very well and it really helped. However, the main contributor to the win was Ocon's huge luck at the start. After that, he did everything right so it was very accomplished from him too. 


Edited by garoidb, 01 December 2022 - 16:04.


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Posted 01 December 2022 - 16:04

The fights between them won't be pretty next year.

 


I hope so, I like a bit of drama.

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#2560 solochamp07

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 18:37

I just think Alonso did what any team-mate should and would do. It wasn't an enormous sacrifice for him and he probably did it for the team as much as Esteban. He did it very well and it really helped. However, the main contributor to the win was Ocon's huge luck at the start. After that, he did everything right so it was very accomplished from him too. 

 

Really? Do you believe Ocon would have done the same in reversed roles? I sure don't.

 

I's not really a valid comparison anyway, as I don't credit Ocon as having the capacity to tactically comprehend the entire situation from the car, whereas Alonso, well... 

 

Yes, Ocon did everything right when he lucked into the position and credit to him for that, but without Alonso's defending HAM wins that race by a fair margin with ALO right behind him. None of Ocon's good driving changes that fact and that is the crux of the matter for me.



#2561 solochamp07

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 18:41

The fights between them won't be pretty next year.

 

Blue flag's a blue flag.

 

Oh, wait..



#2562 wj_gibson

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 19:06

I suspect that Gasly will eventually show Ocon a clean pair of heels, but the process that unfolds to get there will be one of the spikiest stories of 2023.



#2563 Silberpfeil

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 19:41

Love the pearl-clutching everyone, keep it up. As for why Ocon is talking about Alonso… because he’s getting asked. That’s how these things usually work.

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 20:22

Really? Do you believe Ocon would have done the same in reversed roles? I sure don't.

 

I's not really a valid comparison anyway, as I don't credit Ocon as having the capacity to tactically comprehend the entire situation from the car, whereas Alonso, well... 

 

Yes, Ocon did everything right when he lucked into the position and credit to him for that, but without Alonso's defending HAM wins that race by a fair margin with ALO right behind him. None of Ocon's good driving changes that fact and that is the crux of the matter for me.

 

To be honest, I wasn't thinking about Ocon but rather the drivers who could have been in Alonso's situation - experienced team leaders who already have many podiums and wins and who will not be badly affected by missing out on one to help the team get a win. Vettel, Hamilton or even Bottas would do it, I think. 



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Posted 01 December 2022 - 20:39

Love the pearl-clutching everyone, keep it up. As for why Ocon is talking about Alonso… because he’s getting asked. That’s how these things usually work.

Well, I'm not going to slag off Ocon too much, he's doing himself no favours IMO, so just let it be. The bolded however is (and always was) a really silly excuse. Every driver knows how to answer nothing of substance to any question he's asked, using empty phrases and meaningless PR bubble. If Ocons choses instead to be critical of Alonso, fine, why not, but entirely his choice. Nobody forced him.



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Posted 02 December 2022 - 09:04

a still tongue makes a wise head



#2567 prty

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Posted 02 December 2022 - 20:01

Moreso pointing out that their comments are heavily influenced by national loyalty

 

You are right, Pastor Maldonado and Alexander Rossi were always super patriotic with their country of origin, Spain.



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Posted 02 December 2022 - 20:19

The Race editors rank 2023 Alpine drivers lineup above Aston Martin: https://the-race.com...-worst-to-best/



#2569 PitViperRacing

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Posted 02 December 2022 - 21:22

You are right, Pastor Maldonado and Alexander Rossi were always super patriotic with their country of origin, Spain.


So I googled it and turns out they aren't Spanish. My bad.

Fyi it'd be alot easier to say next time "nah mate they're not", rather than being unnecessarily passive-aggressive.

Have a great day.

#2570 prty

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Posted 03 December 2022 - 07:19

So I googled it and turns out they aren't Spanish. My bad.

Fyi it'd be alot easier to say next time "nah mate they're not", rather than being unnecessarily passive-aggressive.

Have a great day.


It's even easier if you google it first before throwing accusations of them disliking Ocon's message because they are Spanish  ;)

#2571 Nemo1965

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Posted 03 December 2022 - 07:29

Regarding Ocon: I didn’t put him in my top 10 lists of drivers of 2022… But Joylon Palmer indicated something interesting. There were two drivers in 2022 who did not have a retirement because of a collision with another driver. Those two drivers were Max Verstappen… and Esteban Ocon. Add to that, that between 2016 and 2017, so from the start as a rookie, until Brazil 2017, he had a streak of finishing twenty-seven consecutive races… Something I still can’t wrap my head around.

I’ve said it before and I will say it again: the dude must be doing something right.

EDIT: Wiki about his GP3 championship in 2015: ‘Despite only scoring one race victory (two other victories were denied due to penalties), he won the championship by eight points ahead of Luca Ghiotto. Ocon recorded three pole positions and fourteen podium finishes (including nine consecutive second-places) from eighteen races.’

Edited by Nemo1965, 03 December 2022 - 07:35.


#2572 garoidb

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Posted 03 December 2022 - 08:44

Regarding Ocon: I didn’t put him in my top 10 lists of drivers of 2022… But Joylon Palmer indicated something interesting. There were two drivers in 2022 who did not have a retirement because of a collision with another driver. Those two drivers were Max Verstappen… and Esteban Ocon. Add to that, that between 2016 and 2017, so from the start as a rookie, until Brazil 2017, he had a streak of finishing twenty-seven consecutive races… Something I still can’t wrap my head around.

I’ve said it before and I will say it again: the dude must be doing something right.

EDIT: Wiki about his GP3 championship in 2015: ‘Despite only scoring one race victory (two other victories were denied due to penalties), he won the championship by eight points ahead of Luca Ghiotto. Ocon recorded three pole positions and fourteen podium finishes (including nine consecutive second-places) from eighteen races.’

 

He has a good opportunity now to lead the team. Gasly may be good too, but I think it is better for Esteban than another year with Fernando and definitely better than having a young "man of the future" like Piastri up against him. Alpine will be interesting next year. I think Esteban needs to show a small edge over Pierre but also to do it without excessive friction.



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Posted 03 December 2022 - 10:04

Apart from his personality, Esteban is a good driver. Doesn't have the ultimate speed of a Leclerc but I think overall he's around Sainz/Perez. He's smart, and his wheel to wheel habilities are impressive sometimes. And he rarely cracks under pressure. 



#2574 Dolph

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Posted 04 December 2022 - 09:02

Now wait a second. I'm a big Alonso fan and I don't like Ocon particularly much, but come on. What's with this negativity about Ocon's comment.

 

If its true that he is doing all the leg work with the sponsors plus the sim work as well and he doesn't get any credit for it - not mentioned once whilst he is team mates with Alonso. I'm if I'd be in that position I'd be p-ed off as well. I'm sure he must feel it is unfair to him.

 

Also, the passive aggressive comment someone made here... Alonso is famous for his jabs over the radio, also targeting Ocon in at least one of them. I don't think you guys are having an objective view here.

 

And someone calling out Alonso being single handedly responsible for Ocon's win. Sure, Alonso played a big part, but it was Ocon who ran out at front, gaping most of the field and not allowing Vettel a single look, despite the 4x world champion harrowing him down the whole race.

 

If Alonso can make statements about his team mate, so can Ocon. Surely.



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Posted 04 December 2022 - 10:35

There is no way Ocon would have won if Alonso did not delayed Hamilton for those 2/3 laps. Or at least it would be very very tight in the end between Ocon/Vettel/Lewis. Esteban did very well, do doubt, hence my opinion he's a good driver in wheel to wheel and under pressure. 

 

About the comments Ocon should have learned by now that you are not a respected team leader saying things like that. Alonso is never a good example in terms of talking, so another thing Ocon should have learned with this pairing. 



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Posted 04 December 2022 - 10:41

I don’t think that OCO is lying about the sponsorship or sim work. ALO will have a good contract which protects him from doing many sponsor visits (I would do the same if I were him..,). Furthermore it is well known that ALO does hardly ever sim work. MAS said the same about ALO after 2013. Before Baku 16 I remember they asked all drivers (with a sim in the factory) what they expect. ALO responded I believe as the nearly only one that he wasn’t in the sim.

 

Only thing for me is: OCO wins nothing with such statements, so did ALO with some comments in the 2nd half of the season.



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Posted 04 December 2022 - 15:05

Gasly looks very, very serene on that picture  :)

 

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Posted 05 December 2022 - 00:30

Now that that dust has kind of settled, I think Alpine has a respectable driver situation they can built upon. However, the downside of having 2 drivers that are essentially mirror images of each other (imo), is Alpine run the risk of having those drivers burn the team down trying to prove who is better. In the context of their 100 race plan, a Gasly-Ocon knife fight might not be the best thing. Nevertheless, I guess their relationship will boil down to one simple thing....respect.  I'm curious if the management personalities Alpine have in place can keep order, but foster a competitive, cooperative environment.  In other words, good ole' fashion Coopetition.



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Posted 05 December 2022 - 20:54

Now that that dust has kind of settled, I think Alpine has a respectable driver situation they can built upon. However, the downside of having 2 drivers that are essentially mirror images of each other (imo), is Alpine run the risk of having those drivers burn the team down trying to prove who is better. In the context of their 100 race plan, a Gasly-Ocon knife fight might not be the best thing. Nevertheless, I guess their relationship will boil down to one simple thing....respect.  I'm curious if the management personalities Alpine have in place can keep order, but foster a competitive, cooperative environment.  In other words, good ole' fashion Coopetition.

The problem is, is that both drivers know that if they get beaten it's probably curtains for their F1 career. I think it will get brutal.



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Posted 05 December 2022 - 21:52

The problem is, is that both drivers know that if they get beaten it's probably curtains for their F1 career. I think it will get brutal.

 

Yes, but it won't necessarily be settled over one year. I think they are both in for two years (2023 and 2024) to begin with.



#2581 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 05 December 2022 - 22:09

Of the two I see Gasly more as the one left standing, there is a streak to Ocon which is a little too much me first to the detriment of being a team player. Talent wise I think they must be very close to eachother and results will be a season long one being better than the other.



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Posted 05 December 2022 - 22:24

Ocon is feisty and has a stat record of being a tidy driver. Gasly is evidently faster but more error prone.

I think it'll be fascinating, I think they will bring out the best in eachother but there will be fireworks.

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Posted 05 December 2022 - 22:30

Ocons 'rep' as a bad teammate is probably a bit inflated. Perez acted so badly it really created that situation, and Fernando is a giant drama queen for all his brilliance. Outside that I dont see anything. We will see though heh



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Posted 05 December 2022 - 22:42

Ocons 'rep' as a bad teammate is probably a bit inflated. Perez acted so badly it really created that situation, and Fernando is a giant drama queen for all his brilliance. Outside that I dont see anything. We will see though heh

 

What more do you want than two clear cases? And a third is just waiting round the corner. :p
 



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Posted 05 December 2022 - 23:19

The problem is, is that both drivers know that if they get beaten it's probably curtains for their F1 career. I think it will get brutal.

 

Is anybody knocking at the Alpine door? 



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Posted 05 December 2022 - 23:57

The problem is, is that both drivers know that if they get beaten it's probably curtains for their F1 career. I think it will get brutal.

Fair, but that's why I said, how I said it. It is possible to have a competitive pair and have them pulling in the same direction....which in my opinion comes down to if the team management can foster and maintain that environment. Interesting, perhaps being an "all French" affair will be useful in building teamwork and cooperation. If I am being generous, perhaps Rossi's comments related to replacing drivers after Brazil were not aimed at Ocon and Alonso, but to Ocon and Gasly.  



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Posted 06 December 2022 - 08:43

Ocons 'rep' as a bad teammate is probably a bit inflated. Perez acted so badly it really created that situation, and Fernando is a giant drama queen for all his brilliance. Outside that I dont see anything. We will see though heh

So he’s had troubles with his only 2 team mates, but it’s their fault?

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 11:38

So he’s had troubles with his only 2 team mates, but it’s their fault?

 


He has had 3 teammates. Did he have any issues with Ricciardo?

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 11:40

So he’s had troubles with his only 2 team mates, but it’s their fault?

There was also Daniel Ricciardo, who Ocon was beaten so badly by that it was almost impossible for the two to have issues with each other on track.



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Posted 06 December 2022 - 12:00

This. Ocon's attitude is infuriating, with his endless passive-aggressive jabs. Just like he drives.

 

Alonso single-handedly (well, two-handedly I guess) fabricated from nothing, the chance for Ocon's first and probably only career victory. Not only that, Alonso voluntarily sacrificed his own race to do so. Had ALO not destroyed his tires fighting HAM but just let him past right away, he could have ridden Lewis' coattails right past Ocon to second place, f** you very much! But instead he chose to defend like Gilles, torpedoing his own podium chances to help his teammate to realize his (surely otherwise unobtainable!) dream. And help his team grab a whack of points, while himself scoring fewer than he could have.

And this is the thanks he got, from team and teammate. No wonder he was so anxious to leave. I can't wait to see him next year, sticking it to the croissants in that beautiful green car with the bulletproof lump. I have no doubt he will be showing them his derriere on most Sundays.

Yes, Alonso did help Ocon to catch his first victory, kudos to him, but let's not rewrite history. His defence barealy had any impact on his final result. He may have had a chance to attack Sainz but that's it. There is no way he would have passed Sainz, Vettel and Ocon to finish 2nd behind Hamilton. Especially since Vettel was glued into the DRS range of Ocon.


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Posted 07 December 2022 - 18:20

Yes, Alonso did help Ocon to catch his first victory, kudos to him, but let's not rewrite history. His defence barealy had any impact on his final result. He may have had a chance to attack Sainz but that's it. There is no way he would have passed Sainz, Vettel and Ocon to finish 2nd behind Hamilton. Especially since Vettel was glued into the DRS range of Ocon.

 

Fair enough, there is an element of dramatic exaggeration in my posts on this subject, I'll admit. My F1 experience began with Gilles v Pironi, and Ocon's general demeanor and his on-track behavior have invoked enough of those memories to cause me to "clutch my pearls" a bit. I do believe Alonso willingly sacrificed his own result to help Ocon that day and would have had a better result for himself by not fighting Lewis, while Ocon would not have won. I think Alonso deserved better treatment than he received after that gesture. These are my undramatized claims.  

 

So apologies to anyone offended by my emotion-laden exclamations. Like most of the Alonso fans I will probably end up migrating to the AM thread next year and annoy a whole new group of people.

 

And thanks for the dignity of a quote, rather than addressing me merely as "the guy who said...."  



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Posted 07 April 2023 - 09:39

It's sure that ending up at Aston Martin to fight for P12 will make him funny. The last two years of his Formula 1 racing career will be of the same kind as what he experienced at McLaren during the Honda engine period.

 

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