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[7MGTEsup]

Just wondering where everyone’s aesthetic sweet spot is on there?

I reckon mine’s the clump of 90s cars. Not too short that they look like go-karts, not too narrow they look like junior formulae.

I don’t mind the current sizes of cars though, for reasons I’ve outlined repeatedly. But It would be interesting to see a modern car, with its required safety features, packed into a smaller box though. Somehow I don’t think they’d look as good as the cars of my childhood.

 

The sweet spot for me was 1990 the cars were simple and elegant looking.

 

Benetton B190

Ferrari 641

March CG901

Tyrrell 019

 

Probably skewed by that fact I was 12 at the time.

[PayasYouRace]

The sweet spot for me was 1990 the cars were simple and elegant looking.

Benetton B190
Ferrari 641
March CG901
Tyrrell 019

Probably skewed by that fact I was 12 at the time.

None of those cars are on the chart but ok.

[7MGTEsup]

None of those cars are on the chart but ok.

 

The chart didn't show up for me so it was my own personal thoughts.

[PayasYouRace]

The chart didn't show up for me so it was my own personal thoughts.

Fair enough. It’s a line up of Ferraris, and the 90s are covered by the 643 and the F310.

[7MGTEsup]

Fair enough. It’s a line up of Ferraris, and the 90s are covered by the 643 and the F310.

 

The 643 it is then.

[Wuzak]

But you have to have such a big car for all the 'green' energy. The batteries are a major weight consideration as well as the huge 1.5 turbo petrol engine..

The 1.6L V6 turbos are not "huge", not including the battery.

 

They are smaller than the V8s they replaced.

 

They cannot make them much bigger, they will not fit in the transporter!

2026 rules will be narrower and shorter.

 

Probably not as short as they should be, though.

[Wuzak]

As for these turbo engines the weight MUST include all accescories as all the piping and cooling

 

The current PU weight includes:

 

All Engine casings and sub-assemblies sealed according to Article 28 of the Sporting Regulations (e.g. engine casings such as cam-covers, cylinder heads, crankcase, sump, gear case and engine components within these)

PU pressure charging components (e.g. compressor from inlet to outlet including wheel; turbine from inlet to outlet including wheel; shaft, bearings and housings)

Wastegate, Pop-off valve or similar

PU Engine air inlet system from Engine plenum entry to cylinder head (e.g. plenum, trumpets, throttles)

Engine exhaust system (excluding fasteners and seals)

PU mounted fuel system components: (e.g. High Pressure fuel hose, fuel rail, fuel injectors, accumulators)

PU mounted electrical components (e.g. wiring loom within legality volume, sensors, actuators, ignition coils, alternator, spark plugs)

All PU coolant pumps, oil pumps, scavenge pumps, oil air separators and fuel high pressure pumps (delivering more than 10barG) including any of the following associated components: motors, actuators, filters, brackets, supports, screws, nuts, dowels, washers, cables, oil or air seals. All tubes or hoses between components of the PU that are not described by line 28. Excludes hydraulic pumps and ERS parts described in line 9.

Cooling pumps (and associated motors, actuators, associated filters, brackets, support, screws, nuts, dowels, washers, cables, tubes, hoses, oil or air seals) partly or wholly for ERS components not mandatorily included in the PU legality volume.

Main PU oil tank, catch tanks, and any breather system connected to the PU and associated filters, brackets, support, screws, nuts, dowels, washers, cables, tubes, hoses, oil or air seals, with the exception of parts described in line 11.

MGU-K excluding mechanical power transmission components, MGU-K Torque sensor housing assembly and mounting accessories

MGU-K mechanical power transmission components, MGU-K Torque sensor housing assembly and mounting accessories

MGU-H excluding mechanical power transmission components and mounting accessories.

MGU-H mechanical power transmission components and mounting accessories

Wiring between any ECU and phases of MGU-K

Wiring between any ECU and phases of MGU-H

Wiring between any ECU and ES

PU-CE excluding associated brackets, supports, screws, nuts, dowels, washers or cables.

Any actuators needed to make the PU function at all times. (except specific exclusions)

Hydraulic system servo valve(s) and actuator(s) for PU control.

Ballast mounted on the PU up to 2kg. This is permitted (subject to Article 4.4) but any in excess of 2kg will be removed before measuring PU mass.

High Pressure Fuel Pump Driver Unit

[pacificquay]

Restrict the front wing width back to between the wheels.

 

The current front wing is a major contributor to the car looking bulky.

[Wuzak]

Just wondering where everyone’s aesthetic sweet spot is on there?

I reckon mine’s the clump of 90s cars. Not too short that they look like go-karts, not too narrow they look like junior formulae.

I don’t mind the current sizes of cars though, for reasons I’ve outlined repeatedly. But It would be interesting to see a modern car, with its required safety features, packed into a smaller box though. Somehow I don’t think they’d look as good as the cars of my childhood.

 

I think around the F2004 era is around the right size. Make it 1,900mm wide, rather than 1,800mm back in the day or 2,000mm now. Also make the front wing 100mm wider than the F2004.

 

And about the same length as the F2004.

[Boing Ball]

I think around the F2004 era is around the right size. Make it 1,900mm wide, rather than 1,800mm back in the day or 2,000mm now. Also make the front wing 100mm wider than the F2004.

 

And about the same length as the F2004.

 

Just observing: Based on https://www.ultimatecarpage.com/, the F2004 already had 15 cm longer wheelbase than the 643. The former was also refueled (and had smaller engine).

Edited by Boing Ball, 06 October 2023 - 16:01.

[Wuzak]

Just observing: Based on https://www.ultimatecarpage.com/, the F2004 already had 15 cm longer wheelbase than the 643. The former was also refueled (and had smaller engine).

 

Due to a change in frontal crash requirements.

 

The F2004 could carry about as much fuel as a current or 2026 F1 car.

 

The 643 had a transverse gearbox, while the F2004 had a longitudinal gearbox, almost all of which was within the wheelbase.

 

And the wheelbase was 550mm shorter than the current (maximum) wheelbase.

Edited by Wuzak, 06 October 2023 - 16:20.

[JeePee]

https://www.reddit.c...a1/s/P5TT32mQVM

RB01 vs RB20.

Looks like a joke