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[statman]

Don't think a new topic has opened yet. So here we are.

 

The publications of driver ratings by the various F1 publications are posted here. The good, the bad and the ugly.

 

Expect a lot of discussion! Some drivers will be underrated, others will be overrated. Even some (nationalistic) bias might creep in!

 

 

First race of the new season:

 

PlanetF1:

 

 

Leclerc: 10

Hamilton: 9

Magnussen: 9

Tsunoda: 8

Zhou: 8

Sainz: 8

Russell: 7.5

Bottas: 7

Perez: 7

Verstappen: 7

Gasly: 7

Stroll: 7

Schumacher: 7

Ocon: 6.5

Albon: 6

Ricciardo: 6

Hulkenberg: 6

Alonso: 6

Norris: 5

Latifi: 5

 

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[Astandahl]

Don't think a new topic has opened yet. So here we are.

 

The publications of driver ratings by the various F1 publications are posted here. The good, the bad and the ugly.

 

Expect a lot of discussion! Some drivers will be underrated, others will be overrated. Even some (nationalistic) bias might creep in!

 

 

First race of the new season:

 

PlanetF1:

 

 

Leclerc: 10

Hamilton: 9

Magnussen: 9

Tsunoda: 8

Zhou: 8

Sainz: 8

Russell: 7.5

Bottas: 7

Perez: 7

Verstappen: 7

Gasly: 7

Stroll: 7

Schumacher: 7

Ocon: 6.5

Albon: 6

Ricciardo: 6

Hulkenberg: 6

Alonso: 6

Norris: 5

Latifi: 5

 

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The Race scores will provide more drama i'm sure. Had a sneak peak on reddit and they are furious already.

 

Don't understand why Max got a 7 though. He was doing extremely well.

Edited by Astandahl, 21 March 2022 - 13:21.

[renzmann]

The Race scores will provide more drama i'm sure. Had a sneak peak on reddit and they are furious already.

 

Don't understand why Max got a 7 though. He was doing extremely well.

I'd have given him a 9. He was quick. I do share the sentiment that he could have tried to attack Leclerc after T1 after it hadn't worked before T1 the first time.

[Yoshi]

AMus

 

• Charles Leclerc: 10/10
• Carlos Sainz: 7/10
• Lewis Hamilton: 8/10
• George Russell: 7/10
• Kevin Magnussen: 9/10
• Valtteri Bottas: 8/10
• Esteban Ocon: 8/10
• Yuki Tsunoda: 7/10
• Fernando Alonso: 7/10
• Guanyu Zhou: 8/10
• Mick Schumacher: 6/10
• Lance Stroll: 6/10
• Alexander Albon: 8/10
• Daniel Ricciardo: 5/10
• Lando Norris: 6/10
• Nicholas Latifi: 4/10
• Nico Hülkenberg: 7/10
• Sergio Perez: 8/10
• Max Verstappen: 9/10
• Pierre Gasly: 8/10

[Ivanhoe]

Autosport

 

Leclerc: 10

Sainz: 8

Hamilton: 9

Russell: 7

Magnussen: 9

Bottas: 7

Ocon: 6

Tsunoda: 7

Alonso: 6

Zhou: 7

Schumacher: 7

Stroll: 5

Albon: 8

Ricciardo: 6

Norris: 6

Latifi: 4

Hulkenberg: 7

Perez: 5

Verstappen: 9

Gasly: 8

[statman]

F1i

 

Leclerc: 10

Verstappen: 9.5

Magnussen: 9

Perez: 8.5

Sainz: 8.5

Bottas: 8.5

Russell: 8

Hamilton: 8

Zhou: 7.5

Ocon: 7.5

Schumacher: 7.5

Tsunoda: 7

Gasly: 7

Albon: 7

Alonso: 7

Norris: 6.5

Stroll: 6

Ricciardo: 5.5

Hulkenberg: 5.5

Latifi: 4.5

[Frood]

The-Race

Verstappen 8
Pérez 7
Hamilton 8
Russell 7
Leclerc 9
Sainz 7
Ricciardo 3.5
Norris 7
Ocon 6.5
Alonso 6
Gasly 7.5
Tsunoda 6
Stroll 4.5
Hülkenberg 5.5
Latifi 3
Albon 7
Zhou 6
Bottas 8
Magnussen 8.5
Schumacher 4.5

Some... Interesting scores there.

Edited by Frood, 21 March 2022 - 13:35.

[rootten]

sensible ratings I must say

[Astandahl]

The-Race

Verstappen 8
Perez 7
Hamilton 8
Russell 7
Leclerc 9
Sainz 7
Riccardo 3.5
Norris 7
Ocon 6.5
Alonso 6
Gasly 7.5
Tsunoda 6
Stroll 4.5
Hülkenberg 5.5
Latifi 3
Albon 7
Zhou 6
Bottas 8
Magnussen 8.5
Schumacher 4.5

Some... Interesting scores there.

Here we go

[Fraser1994]

Don't think a new topic has opened yet. So here we are.

The publications of driver ratings by the various F1 publications are posted here. The good, the bad and the ugly.

Expect a lot of discussion! Some drivers will be underrated, others will be overrated. Even some (nationalistic) bias might creep in!


First race of the new season:

PlanetF1:


Leclerc: 10
Hamilton: 9
Magnussen: 9
Tsunoda: 8
Zhou: 8
Sainz: 8
Russell: 7.5
Bottas: 7
Perez: 7
Verstappen: 7
Gasly: 7
Stroll: 7
Schumacher: 7
Ocon: 6.5
Albon: 6
Ricciardo: 6
Hulkenberg: 6
Alonso: 6
Norris: 5
Latifi: 5

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Hamilton was a minute behind the leaders. Max should have been driver of the day.

[charly0418]

Autosport

Leclerc: 10
Sainz: 8
Hamilton: 9
Russell: 7
Magnussen: 9
Bottas: 7
Ocon: 6
Tsunoda: 7
Alonso: 6
Zhou: 7
Schumacher: 7
Stroll: 5
Albon: 8
Ricciardo: 6
Norris: 6
Latifi: 4
Hulkenberg: 7
Perez: 5
Verstappen: 9
Gasly: 8

Autosport hates Perez, they gave RIC a better grade LOL

[MKSixer]

Hamilton was a minute behind the leaders. Max should have been driver of the day.

Versus, LEC?  How do you figure?

[motohead]

How Russell has gotten often as good scores as Hamilton I don't understand. Beaten by a Haas and Alfa in quali..

 

How Hamilton is amongst the best rated drivers I don't understand either.  I cannot see what he did that was that good. Was it beating an Alfa and a Haas in quali? Or was it a utterly uneventful race and 2 retirements for him that warrants the good scores? 

[PlayboyRacer]

Hamilton did everything he could, he deserves a good score. Outqualified his teammate, then outraced him. Hung onto the back of Sainz in the early stages, then was pressuring Perez in the late stages... which put the Mercedes in the position to capitalise on Red Bulls misfortune. Well earnt podium in basically the best midfield car in Bahrain.

What more would you want?

Edited by PlayboyRacer, 21 March 2022 - 14:52.

[MikeTekRacing]

Autosport

 

Leclerc: 10

Sainz: 8

Hamilton: 9

Russell: 7

Magnussen: 9

Bottas: 7

Ocon: 6

Tsunoda: 7

Alonso: 6

Zhou: 7

Schumacher: 7

Stroll: 5

Albon: 8

Ricciardo: 6

Norris: 6

Latifi: 4

Hulkenberg: 7

Perez: 5

Verstappen: 9

Gasly: 8

Autosport's bias against Perez starts from race 1.

What is it that they didn't like this time? In the past they said it was for bad Q. Now he started in the car's position and was going to end there. 

Did put pressure on Sainz as much as he could. Basically his whole 2nd stint he was lapping almost the same as leclerc 

[JimmyClark]

Hamilton did everything he could, he deserves a good score. Outqualified his teammate, then outraced him. Hung onto the back of Sainz in the early stages, then was pressuring Perez in the late stages... which put the Mercedes in the position to capitalise on Red Bulls misfortune. Well earnt podium in basically the best midfield car in Bahrain.

What more would you want?

Or you could argue that in the third best car, he finished exactly where he should have done and nothing more. He was nowhere in parts of the race, and should have been much further ahead of Russell (pre safety car) given their respective starting positions.

So I think an 7-8 bracket is fair. He didn't do anything wrong, but I didn't see anything extraordinary.

[Augurk]

Autosport's bias against Perez starts from race 1.

What is it that they didn't like this time? In the past they said it was for bad Q. Now he started in the car's position and was going to end there. 

Did put pressure on Sainz as much as he could. Basically his whole 2nd stint he was lapping almost the same as leclerc 

Hard to judge being on different strategy. However, I think Perez should at least get the same score as Sainz. 

 

The two top drivers were running away and Sainz and Perez were neck and neck mostly. Only Perez had a slightly worse start but made up for that with good racing. 

 

LEC 10

VER 9

SAI 8

PER 8

 

Would be accurate if you ask me. 

[MikeTekRacing]

Hard to judge being on different strategy. However, I think Perez should at least get the same score as Sainz. 

 

The two top drivers were running away and Sainz and Perez were neck and neck mostly. Only Perez had a slightly worse start but made up for that with good racing. 

 

LEC 10

VER 9

SAI 8

PER 8

 

Would be accurate if you ask me. 

I think 7 would be fair too - because of the start. Edit - I mean up to turn 4, his start was not "that" bad, it was better than Sainz', Lewis had a brilliant one

But 5, seriously? Worse than most of the grid?

Edited by MikeTekRacing, 21 March 2022 - 15:28.

[charly0418]

I’m pretty sure Kaulinackas and Autosport are on Perez black list of press interviews.

[TheFish]

Hard to judge being on different strategy. However, I think Perez should at least get the same score as Sainz. 

 

The two top drivers were running away and Sainz and Perez were neck and neck mostly. Only Perez had a slightly worse start but made up for that with good racing. 

 

LEC 10

VER 9

SAI 8

PER 8

 

Would be accurate if you ask me. 

I'd have it

 

LEC 10

VER 9

SAI 7

PER 7

 

Neither Sainz nor Perez were directly behind their teammates so I'd be fine with them losing 2 points to them for that (and a rare 10 for Leclerc for an outstanding race). 5 for Perez is ridiculous.

 

Would also give Magnussen a 10, he had an exceptional race.

[Augurk]

I think 7 would be fair too - because of the start. Edit - I mean up to turn 4, his start was not "that" bad, it was better than Sainz', Lewis had a brilliant one

But 5, seriously? Worse than most of the grid?

 

 

I'd have it

 

LEC 10

VER 9

SAI 7

PER 7

 

Neither Sainz nor Perez were directly behind their teammates so I'd be fine with them losing 2 points to them for that (and a rare 10 for Leclerc for an outstanding race). 5 for Perez is ridiculous.

 

Would also give Magnussen a 10, he had an exceptional race.

Sure a 7 would be warranted as well. I just thought they both showed some tenacity when needed and a bit of fighting spirit even if they were lacking quite a bit of pace compared to their team mates. 

Either way would be fine I suppose, I can see the argument for both sides.

 

Totally agree on Magnussen. What a fairy tale story. 

[Bleu]

5 for Perez makes me think the one who gave the grade thinks that Perez spun and stalled due to his driver's mistake.

[MikeTekRacing]

5 for Perez makes me think the one who gave the grade thinks that Perez spun and stalled due to his driver's mistake.

Nope.

 

This is the justification on Autosport:

 

Although it ultimately didn’t matter, yet again Perez’s lead battle absence hurt Red Bull’s win chances with Verstappen. This came after a final corner mistake on his last Q3 lap meant he qualified 0.24s slower than his team-mate in fourth, then after he slid wide and lost out to Magnussen having been passed by Hamilton on lap one. Battled back but left himself with too much to do.

[Scaboo22]

Except for one lockup Max Verstappen drove an insane race where he clearly had the 2nd fastest car and still made things very close and interesting. Giving him anything under 9/10 shows clear bias especially when he had to deal with several issues on the car that were out of his control.

Edited by Scaboo22, 21 March 2022 - 16:54.

[Ali623]

Nope.

 

This is the justification on Autosport:

 

Although it ultimately didn’t matter, yet again Perez’s lead battle absence hurt Red Bull’s win chances with Verstappen. This came after a final corner mistake on his last Q3 lap meant he qualified 0.24s slower than his team-mate in fourth, then after he slid wide and lost out to Magnussen having been passed by Hamilton on lap one. Battled back but left himself with too much to do.

 

That all sounds fair to me to be honest, 5 is harsh though, a 6 would have been reasonable. Sainz a 7, Max 9 and Leclerc 10.

[Laptom]

Don't think a new topic has opened yet. So here we are.

The publications of driver ratings by the various F1 publications are posted here. The good, the bad and the ugly.

Expect a lot of discussion! Some drivers will be underrated, others will be overrated. Even some (nationalistic) bias might creep in!


First race of the new season:

PlanetF1:


Leclerc: 10
Hamilton: 9
Magnussen: 9
Tsunoda: 8
Zhou: 8
Sainz: 8
Russell: 7.5
Bottas: 7
Perez: 7
Verstappen: 7
Gasly: 7
Stroll: 7
Schumacher: 7
Ocon: 6.5
Albon: 6
Ricciardo: 6
Hulkenberg: 6
Alonso: 6
Norris: 5
Latifi: 5

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Ham 9
Sai 8
Rus 7.5
Ver 7
Per 7

Wow, I know Planet was biased, but this is another level biased 🤣.
Missed this topic btw.

[MikeTekRacing]

That all sounds fair to me to be honest, 5 is harsh though, a 6 would have been reasonable. Sainz a 7, Max 9 and Leclerc 10.

In my book 9 and 10 are for very very good performances, which I agree Max and Leclerc had.

Giving Checo a 6 for being 0.24 behind his team mate in Q is pretty harsh too.

Putting the car where it belonged is an 8 for me - thus Sainz would be an 8, Checo a 7

[Ultraviolet]

Hamilton was a minute behind the leaders. Max should have been driver of the day.

If Hamilton didn't get credit for being a minute ahead of the rest when he had a rocket ship, he shouldn't get penalised for being a minute behind in a dog of a car.

[TheFish]

In my book 9 and 10 are for very very good performances, which I agree Max and Leclerc had.

Giving Checo a 6 for being 0.24 behind his team mate in Q is pretty harsh too.

Putting the car where it belonged is an 8 for me - thus Sainz would be an 8, Checo a 7

Leclerc and Max put their cars roughly where they belonged. Sainz and Perez fell short of that. And far enough behind their teammates that they weren't the next car on the road. IMO, losing to your teammate and being just behind them is usually worth 1 point lower. Being further down than that should be worth more. 5 for Perez is daft though.

[Ultraviolet]

How Russell has gotten often as good scores as Hamilton I don't understand. Beaten by a Haas and Alfa in quali..

 

How Hamilton is amongst the best rated drivers I don't understand either.  I cannot see what he did that was that good. Was it beating an Alfa and a Haas in quali? Or was it a utterly uneventful race and 2 retirements for him that warrants the good scores? 

What, you mean apart from that bit where he got ahead of Perez on merit for a while before the RB went phut, in a car that is objectively significantly worse? Some people really do only see what they want to see.

[Ivanhoe]

What, you mean apart from that bit where he got ahead of Perez on merit for a while before the RB went phut, in a car that is objectively significantly worse? Some people really do only see what they want to see.

Perez had already complained about losing power at that point.

[TheFish]

Perez had already complained about losing power at that point.

Hamilton overtook Perez on lap 1 and was pushing Sainz until his tyres went.

[PistolPete]

In my book 9 and 10 are for very very good performances, which I agree Max and Leclerc had.
Giving Checo a 6 for being 0.24 behind his team mate in Q is pretty harsh too.
Putting the car where it belonged is an 8 for me - thus Sainz would be an 8, Checo a 7

If 8 is given when the car is put where it belongs then the average accros drivers in a season should be 8 or close to. I believe its a lot less when you look at how grades have been given on the past.

[MikeTekRacing]

Hamilton overtook Perez on lap 1 and was pushing Sainz until his tyres went.

sure, start was great, does it warrant a 9 for it? It's not like he won 3 positions on lap 1, 

keeping up with Sainz probably also meant pushing his tyres too much compared to the people around him.

[Ivanhoe]

Hamilton overtook Perez on lap 1 and was pushing Sainz until his tyres went.

Ah yes, he had an excellent start, thought he was referring to the laps after SC restart.

[Scaboo22]

Schumacher gets spun, has his first stint tires ruined and likely some balance issues throughout the race after the incident and gets low-balled by the specialists. I'll be the first to say that even with all of that I expected him to do better and I am looking for progress from him ASAP, but 4.5? Come on now. 

[Sid04]

If Hamilton didn't get credit for being a minute ahead of the rest when he had a rocket ship, he shouldn't get penalised for being a minute behind in a dog of a car.

 

He got so many 9's and 10's when midefield drivers have to earn even a 8. Yesterday his pace was fine and so was his qualifying but, he did got passed by Zhou after overshooting first corner on his outlap. Also, I think Hamilton's tyre management was weaker yesterday then Russel probably because he was pushing on first few laps and actual race pace deficit of Russel was less than it looked as Russel had 6-7 laps delta on tyres.

8 is absolutely fine.

[TheFish]

sure, start was great, does it warrant a 9 for it? It's not like he won 3 positions on lap 1, 

keeping up with Sainz probably also meant pushing his tyres too much compared to the people around him.

Sure, I don't think he deserves a 9. An 8 is fine, with one point less for Russell. I was answering Ivanhoe about the Perez/Hamilton battle.

 

The problem with the current Merc is that they're clearly in 3rd position, or where at least in Bahrain, and no matter if Hamilton and Russell were great or awful, they were going to finish 5th and 6th (before the DNFs). No real way of knowing how good they were.

[sabjit]

For the top 3 teams I would have gone

 

Leclerc 10

Sainz 7

Lewis 8

George 7

Max 7

Perez 7

 

Leclerc totally faultless.

Max looses points for really poor racecraft (again from him). There is a saying of the definition of insanity being trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. It's like all he knows how to do is divebomb.

Was hoping for more from Sainz, he's struggling more with the car than Leclerc so I hope he gets on top of that soon as I have a lot of money on him.

[MikeTekRacing]

For the top 3 teams I would have gone

 

Leclerc 10

Sainz 7

Lewis 8

George 7

Max 7

Perez 7

 

Leclerc totally faultless.

Max looses points for really poor racecraft (again from him). There is a saying of the definition of insanity being trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. It's like all he knows how to do is divebomb.

Was hoping for more from Sainz, he's struggling more with the car than Leclerc so I hope he gets on top of that soon as I have a lot of money on him.

"all he knows is divebomb" is really not what happened, at least on the first attempts. Those were NOT divebombs, so to say that it's a pretty cheap shot.

 

The last attempt was a divebomb and I think that's him doing exactly what you said he should do - try to pass leclerc later, so that he gets DRS on the 2nd straight.

 

giving Lewis more than him kind of explains it though, so no need to reply

Edited by MikeTekRacing, 21 March 2022 - 17:58.

[timmy bolt]

Max was fine but his real chance to make a difference, battling with leclerc, he was out raced twice and then made a hefty lock up the 3rd time in a car that is a monster on the straights. Wasn't great.

Best RB driver. Def. As good as leclerc. Nope.

As a general rule outside of the best cars it's hard to get high score for just performing as good as is feasible. Whereas the top cars get a +1 almost instantly.

And I say this as a ham fan who thinks a lot of previous 10's and 9's were no better than midfield 9's and 8's for the same thing.

[ARTGP]

What, you mean apart from that bit where he got ahead of Perez on merit for a while before the RB went phut, in a car that is objectively significantly worse? Some people really do only see what they want to see.

 

One could argue that Hamilton burned out his tires trying to race Sainz which then required the very early stop. I saw a lot of criticism of Max being on a fools errand running his tires off trying to keep up with Leclerc in the slower car, but when Hamilton does it, he's praised for keeping up with the faster car in spite of the damage it did to his tires. It can't be both. Hamilton and Verstappen had extremely similar races doing what they could to compensate for being in a slower car vs the nearest rival on the day and then dropping back when the tires went off. 

Edited by ARTGP, 21 March 2022 - 18:08.

[Ivanhoe]

Given Ferrari’s superior traction out of turn 1, Max only had a chance of an overtake on the main straight. Nothing to do with poor race craft, the Ferrari was just the faster car in Charles hands who made no mistakes.

[GentlemanDriver091]

Max was fine but his real chance to make a difference, battling with leclerc, he was out raced twice and then made a hefty lock up the 3rd time in a car that is a monster on the straights. Wasn't great.

Best RB driver. Def. As good as leclerc. Nope.

As a general rule outside of the best cars it's hard to get high score for just performing as good as is feasible. Whereas the top cars get a +1 almost instantly.

And I say this as a ham fan who thinks a lot of previous 10's and 9's were no better than midfield 9's and 8's for the same thing.

Not trying to come up with excuses but he had brake problems from lap 1 onwards, which why he was told to lift and coast already after 6 corners.

[F1Frog]

Sergio Perez rating as a 5 is an absolute joke, particularly when Sainz gets an 8. The differences between the Ferraris and the Red Bulls was the same, and Leclerc 10, Sainz 8 and Verstappen 9 should mean a 7, not a 5. Rating the Red Bull drivers equally is also an absolute joke given the huge pace advantage of Verstappen. The other ridiculous one is Ricciardo 3.5 and Norris 7. Norris was the better driver despite the results after a great qualifying lap, but there's no way Ricciardo should be rated that much lower than him as their race pace was similar (Norris was unlucky with the safety car and a poor strategy).

My ratings are in here: https://f1frogblog.w...022-bahrain-gp/

[TheAviator]

Sergio Perez rating as a 5 is an absolute joke, particularly when Sainz gets an 8. The differences between the Ferraris and the Red Bulls was the same, and Leclerc 10, Sainz 8 and Verstappen 9 should mean a 7, not a 5. Rating the Red Bull drivers equally is also an absolute joke given the huge pace advantage of Verstappen. The other ridiculous one is Ricciardo 3.5 and Norris 7. Norris was the better driver despite the results after a great qualifying lap, but there's no way Ricciardo should be rated that much lower than him as their race pace was similar (Norris was unlucky with the safety car and a poor strategy).
My ratings are in here: https://f1frogblog.w...022-bahrain-gp/

Yea 5 for Perez is absolute BS I agree.

[MaxScelerate]

Seems Perez is the new Stroll, as far as "Media Driver Ratings" (specially against his teammate) go. 

Then again, so is Stroll.

[Anderis]

LOL, literally every single of those rates at least one driver in a way I cannot really comprehend.

[MKSixer]

LOL, literally every single of those rates at least one driver in a way I cannot really comprehend.

I think we may be misunderstanding what we're reading.    

[MKSixer]

"all he knows is divebomb" is really not what happened, at least on the first attempts. Those were NOT divebombs, so to say that it's a pretty cheap shot.

 

The last attempt was a divebomb and I think that's him doing exactly what you said he should do - try to pass leclerc later, so that he gets DRS on the 2nd straight.

 

giving Lewis more than him kind of explains it though, so no need to reply

God and everyone here knows I'm not a Max fan and a 7 is not a fair score for him from this race weekend.  I rated him 8.5, the same as Lewis, based on quali and the race when I started a thread for member ratings.  They both did as well as they could have but for a couple of downticks.  A 7 was not on for Max.  And I think he only dive-bombed on the last passing attempt and didn't take out LEC.