Maybe deal with the present then instead of the past. That already can be a good start.As many have said before on this thread though - where do you morally draw the line - depending on your viewpoint there is a questionable case to be answered for pretty much any country on the F1 calendar - especially if you go back far enough.
At what point or by whose values does a country cross the line that means F1 should not hold a race there.
Not excusing anything but just acknowledging its a difficult area to get into like all these things.
Missile strike in Jeddah during Saudi GP practice [split]
#1101
Posted 07 September 2022 - 17:11
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#1102
Posted 07 September 2022 - 17:59
Only a war would keep F1 out of Saud....oh right, https://en.wikipedia...ention_in_Yemen
Only them running out of money would keep F1 out of Saudi Arabia.
#1103
Posted 07 September 2022 - 18:33
If it was up to Bernie there would be a race in Crimea next year to please his best friend Vladimir
#1104
Posted 07 September 2022 - 21:36
I find it amazing that there was a sporting embargo on South Africa in the 80s and yet in the 2020’s, F1 sees it fit to have a GP in a country which operates apartheid against 50% of its population. Disgraceful.
The situation in South Africa was acted upon by more than just F1. I can't say we're looking at the same situation in those terms. I don't think the UN has any beef with what's going on in Saudi Arabia.
Edited by pdac, 07 September 2022 - 21:39.
#1105
Posted 08 September 2022 - 01:17
There's a genocide going on in China, but F1 still will race there in 2023...
#1106
Posted 08 September 2022 - 01:20
Don't worry it will all be sorted out soon, Biden went there last month and had a word with them.
I suggest you don't go there. If you must, take it to Paddock Club.
#1107
Posted 08 September 2022 - 07:31
There's a genocide going on in China, but F1 still will race there in 2023...
Nothing is set in stone regarding the Chinese Grand Prix. By the rumors going on and reading between the lines, F1 doesnt seem to want to be in China for the forseeable future.
#1108
Posted 08 September 2022 - 10:30
As many have said before on this thread though - where do you morally draw the line - depending on your viewpoint there is a questionable case to be answered for pretty much any country on the F1 calendar - especially if you go back far enough.
At what point or by whose values does a country cross the line that means F1 should not hold a race there.
Not excusing anything but just acknowledging its a difficult area to get into like all these things.
Careful, acknowledging complexity won't be popular. And of course, the real question is: what is the best way to influence change for the better in the long term? Is it engagement, or expressing hostility?
#1109
Posted 08 September 2022 - 10:47
What rumours? Can't say I've seen anything to suggest F1 ditching China.Nothing is set in stone regarding the Chinese Grand Prix. By the rumors going on and reading between the lines, F1 doesnt seem to want to be in China for the forseeable future.
#1110
Posted 08 September 2022 - 10:52
It's more China ditching the rest of the world I think. But that's another thread.
#1111
Posted 08 September 2022 - 11:11
The situation in South Africa was acted upon by more than just F1. I can't say we're looking at the same situation in those terms. I don't think the UN has any beef with what's going on in Saudi Arabia.
South Africa doesn't have any oil that the UN countries need, so it was easier to have a beef with the government at the time.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
#1112
Posted 08 September 2022 - 11:12
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#1113
Posted 08 September 2022 - 11:26
China was awarded a race on the understanding and promise that the country would improve human rights. Whether it has done so and to what extent is debatable.
As far as I am aware, Saudi Arabia has made no such commitments. They just pay for a race.
But I do agree that the distant past isn't relevant....what's relevant is the recent past, present and future....the present situation and the direction of movement regarding human rights.
#1114
Posted 08 September 2022 - 11:28
South Africa doesn't have any oil that the UN countries need, so it was easier to have a beef with the government at the time.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
South Africa and Saudi Arabia don't have much in common beyond their initials
#1115
Posted 08 September 2022 - 13:46
If it was up to Bernie there would be a race in Crimea next year to please his best friend Vladimir
I wouldn't put it past Liberty to announce a Kyiv street race for 2026.
#1116
Posted 08 September 2022 - 17:24
China was awarded a race on the understanding and promise that the country would improve human rights. Whether it has done so and to what extent is debatable.
As far as I am aware, Saudi Arabia has made no such commitments. They just pay for a race.
But I do agree that the distant past isn't relevant....what's relevant is the recent past, present and future....the present situation and the direction of movement regarding human rights.
As is whether or not F1 really care about the initial promise anymore (or ever did).
The fact is that nearly all businesses will do business with anybody in any country unless there is a BUSINESS reason not to.
Edited by pdac, 08 September 2022 - 17:26.
#1117
Posted 08 September 2022 - 19:10
Saudi Arabia are hoping to host the FIFA World Cup in 2030 to further enhance their status as a forward thinking country.
#1118
Posted 08 September 2022 - 19:40
China was awarded a race on the understanding and promise that the country would improve human rights. Whether it has done so and to what extent is debatable.
As far as I am aware, Saudi Arabia has made no such commitments. They just pay for a race.
But I do agree that the distant past isn't relevant....what's relevant is the recent past, present and future....the present situation and the direction of movement regarding human rights.
Was promises really part of the contract?
#1119
Posted 08 September 2022 - 19:42
TOON ARMYThe Houthis are lobbing these shots into Jeddah now to embarrass the Saudis as revenge for the latter executing some 80 Houthi-fighters a week or so ago.
They arent going to hit the F1-track or anything directly related to that since doing so might trigger some sort of international response to a regional conflict.
Not that F1 should be in SA in the first place, but it is what it is for now.
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#1120
Posted 08 September 2022 - 21:26
There's a genocide going on in China, but F1 still will race there in 2023...
Yeah, that's a complete fabrication but carry on.
#1121
Posted 08 September 2022 - 22:56
#1122
Posted 08 September 2022 - 23:11
Don't worry y'all - we won't have just F1 and FE and Dakar and the finale of the WTCR season in Saudi Arabia but we'll have MotoGP as well!