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[jonpollak]

History is important here gang...
 
 "Last Time on The Grand Prix of LasVegas"

prommer©
 
And now .... The rest of the program.
 
 
 
WELCOME TO THE HEINEKENSILVERLOST WAGES GRAND PRIX BUILD UP THREAD

 
This race is for Rich People ONLY...
So If you want to go...FORGET IT
But some guy here says he'll take real race fans to the track if you board swiftly and orderly and don't annoy the stewardesses.
DO we believe him?


Oi' Jp, Stop foolin' around.  This is serious business..come on, FACTS NOW, please!!
 
Ah, Right you are,  so then...
 
Track Map

 
 
Click for cute/out of date GoogleTrack Map
 
THE EVENT SCHEDULE  (This race is a timed event of 120 minutes max)
 Local Time is 8 hrs behind UK
Use THIS handy time conversion chart
 
 
SkyF1 TV TIMES for the UK
Don't forget to clean the heads on your VCR before
 
- 17/11 - 04:00 to 05:45 - FP1
- 17/11 - 07:45 to 09:15 - FP2
- 18/11 - 04:15 to 05:40 - FP3
- 18/11 - 07:00 to 10:00 - Qualifying
- 19/11 - 04:30 to 09:00 - Race


Wednesday Opening Ceremony
Wednesday night the overblown opening ceremonies show starts at 19:30 PST local time
(You can translate to your time zone) and no, you won't be awake.
I an told this will be shown on YouTube
Click this ⬇︎ for info on the "fabulous event"

 
Thursday-Saturday schedule.
 

 

 

Race Weather?..
COLD
Could beat the 1978 Canadian Grand Prix

 Tyres ..
C5-SOFT  anything else will be gotten rid of ASAP

 
You STILL say you'd like to GO TO THE RACE?
All lines are busy now...Please try later
 
Need SWAG?
Official LVGP SHOP

Get your very own souvenir Race Programmes
 
 
Fun Stuff
 
SPHERE-Cam
 
Video game In-Car lap
 
Pit Lane Web Cam (constuction company cctv)
 
It's Lost Wages so what are the odds ???
F1 Race Oddsmakers
 
ALSO, I believe NAO is the time to Get to Know the Nevada State Flower


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So, in keeping with this amazingly detailed thread it’s time for the Meat and Potatoes and the genesis of this event brought to you by our man on the ground throughout this entire undertaking…

Lost Wages Resident LOKI catalogs the issues and challenges in building this from the ground up.
 

 
LVCVA approves the deal.
https://www.reviewjo...-races-2574132/


Construction/demolition begins.  Then they knocked down Ice. Thankfully.
https://www.casino.o...ake-way-for-f1/

How it started.




Not only will it be a paddock it will be a tourist attraction
https://www.fox5vega...as-vegas-strip/



First public inkling it was going to be expensive.  Real expensive.
https://www.reviewjo...addock-2660420/

GA goes on sale.
https://www.reviewjo...t-week-2664923/

Room prices follow.
https://ktla.com/new...-more-than-300/

Have a seat, reserved and VIP pricing announced.  Miami says "we're expensive F1".  Vegas says hold my beer.  Or Michelob Ultra if that's all you got.
https://www.reviewjo...00-10k-2668106/

Crofty and Naomi host the launch event with some Euro dudes driving pointy little cars.
CLICK THE PICTURE to see the video ⬇︎



First batch of tickets sells out in under an hour.

Room packages announced with sky high room rates requiring ticket purchase.
https://www.prnewswi...-301674828.html

First simulated lap.


They start to build.


Now a "10 year deal" that really isn't.  Yet.
https://www.reviewjo...la-one-2725311/

Paving schedule is released.
https://www.reviewjo...utm_source=lvrj

Cue the beginning of the blowback.

One of the first signs we were in for a bumpy ride.
https://thenevadaind...egas-grand-prix

Took a couple of months but the bad press arrived.  And wasn't exaggerating.
https://nypost.com/2...llions-sources/

Like AM radio.  The hits keep coming.
https://www.si.com/f...a-nightmare-sj4

After the fact F1 wants $40 mil.  Fat Chance.
https://thenevadaind...st-state-510000

The tide has turned.  F1 not exactly Johnny on the Spot when it comes to logistics.
https://thenevadaind...affic-logistics

Now they've done it.  Trees in front of Bellagio come down.  Straw. Last. Back. Camel
Rene, have someone else start your car and don't go to Tony Roma's.
https://www.casino.o...-f1-grandstand/

Consternation at full tilt.
https://thenevadaind...n-over-f1-chaos

So how is everyone going to get to work?
https://www.fox5vega...gas-grand-prix/

Oh, that's right.  We forgot this detail.
https://www.fox5vega...ion-near-strip/

So are you trying to anger the resort workers around the track?  I guess we could always cycle.
https://www.reviewjo...1 road closures

Moar disruption.
https://www.reviewjo...y-like-2928630/

Local businesses blocked and taxi prices going up.
https://www.fox5vega...ness-struggles/

Euros need to tip.
https://www.fox5vega...head-formula-1/

News asks local pol if it's worth it.  He doesn't know.
https://www.8newsnow...onomic-benefit/

Young Max playing Captain Obvious.
https://www.autospor...9689.1698432293

LFG !!!

Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 10 November 2023 - 12:17.

[Whatisvalis]

A worthy opener!

With the predicted temps I wonder if it will be like Turkey that one time when there was no grip and it was all a bit of a joke.

[milestone 11]

+8 hours UK +9 EU. Other than Portugal Madeira and Canaries. (UK)

[PayasYouRace]

Quality introduction!

[jonpollak]

Do all the links,pics,click through gags and videos work for everyone?

 

My coding is notoriously poor ya know.

Jp

[WKAYE]

Do all the links,pics,click through gags and videos work for everyone?

 

My coding is notoriously poor ya know.

Jp

For me, yes. Thank you for doing all that work ! 

[Grippy]

Do all the links,pics,click through gags and videos work for everyone?

 

My coding is notoriously poor ya know.

Jp

Yes, but one (News asks local pol if it's worth it.  He doesn't know.
https://www.8newsnow...onomic-benefit/ ) is geo-blocked.

 

Also, thanks for the work you've put into that post - must have taken a long time

 

edit: cross-posted a weird "shadow" of @WKAYE's post.

Edited by Grippy, 10 November 2023 - 12:35.

[paulb]

Holy hell, jp, that is some outstanding op work! Liberty would be wise to use lokipedia as the archivist for this event.

 

I’ll do my best to provide somewhat timely updates.

[SenorSjon]

Would deserve its own thread! It will be missed just hiding in this topic.

[1player]

Great work jp!

As for the weekend, I expect a massive shitshow, enough drama to keep us entertained over the winter break, Red Bull to lose their bearings Singapore-style and a Norris win.

[SophieB]

Yaaaaay, it’s here, I can stop mashing F5!
Spectacular work, lads. Loving the break down on all the hassles big and small, let’s hope it’s all alright on the night. Meanwhile, if not, at least we’ll have these…

 

(via Autosport Twitter here https://x.com/autosp...7613909324?s=61)

[Risil]

I'm interested to see how this goes

[PayasYouRace]

A friend of mine is there for the weekend, doing some sort of event in the lead up to the Grand Prix. She seemed rather excited about it all. Slightly jealous. She’s not based in Las Vegas. Travels a lot for work though.

[SophieB]

F1 Las Vegas

@F1LasVegas

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The Pit Building is READY! #LasVegasGP #F1

[TauriJ]

A worthy opener!

With the predicted temps I wonder if it will be like Turkey that one time when there was no grip and it was all a bit of a joke.

obviously a week away but right now it shows a rainy weekend

[Beri]

That main straight looks more like a dance festival rather than a race track..

[SteveHam]

Is the track going to be super smooth? Or just look nice with bumps everywhere.

What type of grip will driver have on this new tarmac?

How will tyres be heated up in weather that is going to be cold and maybe one of the coldest races in the last 20 years.

I will watch Qualifying and the Race but I won’t be watching the build up and practice sessions.

I honestly feel a horrible crash will happen this weekend given the circumstances.

[Ali623]

A worthy opener!

With the predicted temps I wonder if it will be like Turkey that one time when there was no grip and it was all a bit of a joke.

 

Haas front-row lockout?

[ARTGP]

I think this will be more exciting than I originally anticipated. I like the amount of effort going into this event. 

[TauriJ]

That last fast chicane reminds me of Ostkurve but reversed obviously

[TauriJ]

Is the track going to be super smooth? Or just look nice with bumps everywhere.

What type of grip will driver have on this new tarmac?

How will tyres be heated up in weather that is going to be cold and maybe one of the coldest races in the last 20 years.

I will watch Qualifying and the Race but I won’t be watching the build up and practice sessions.

I honestly feel a horrible crash will happen this weekend given the circumstances.

Smooth as I have heard

Very bad grip

Probably multiple laps

[milestone 11]

The first turn will be a crashfest it seems to me.

[TauriJ]

The first turn will be a crashfest it seems to me.

Why?

[JimmyClark]

The first turn will be a crashfest it seems to me.

 

There's barely any run-up. It will be fine. 

 

However, the chicane at the end of the strip on lap 1 could be quite fun to watch with all those heavy tanks and cold tyres... 

[FLB]

The first turn will be a crashfest it seems to me.

Pierre Waché is openly saying they're expecting tire temps problems: https://www.autohebd...nsequences.html (en francais)

Edited by FLB, 10 November 2023 - 15:05.

[Burtros]

Great OP

Looking forward to this, hoping the cold weather pull the rug out from under Max’s feet.

[milestone 11]

Why?

  

There's barely any run-up. It will be fine. 
 
However, the chicane at the end of the strip on lap 1 could be quite fun to watch with all those heavy tanks and cold tyres...

Well, I must admit to not being able to determine where the grid is, even looking at a higher res pic. Nevertheless, it seems perilously close to the first turn. Those toward the back of the grid will accelerate appreciably more than those at the front. Maybe my pessimism will prove to be unfounded, I hope so.

[PayasYouRace]

There's barely any run-up. It will be fine.

However, the chicane at the end of the strip on lap 1 could be quite fun to watch with all those heavy tanks and cold tyres...

Shorter runs to the first corner are more likely to produce crashes. Ste. Devote, La Source tend to produce crashes more than anywhere else.

In a short run the back of the grid is arriving at a comparatively much higher speed than the front. That’s lessened when the run is longer as everyone gets closer to a similar speed.

[milestone 11]

Pierre Waché is openly saying they're expecting tire temps problems: https://www.autohebd...nsequences.html (en francais)

Brawn: We didn't consider the temperatures.

Edited by milestone 11, 10 November 2023 - 15:24.

[Skelly1927]

haas for the pole

[dweller23]

So let me get that straight - "paddock" will be forbidden, but "paddock club" will be overused as we saw in the shared schedule?

[SteveHam]

Don’t know if this is true but apparently Martin Brundle is doing is grid walk on stilts.

[Primo]

Apologies if already posted.

[Skelly1927]

Apologies if already posted.

... and now people know why RedBull were so quick to get Ricciardo back in the AT, especially before Vegas

Edited by Skelly1927, 10 November 2023 - 16:07.

[JimmyClark]

Shorter runs to the first corner are more likely to produce crashes. Ste. Devote, La Source tend to produce crashes more than anywhere else.

In a short run the back of the grid is arriving at a comparatively much higher speed than the front. That’s lessened when the run is longer as everyone gets closer to a similar speed.

Hmm good point, I hadn't actually thought of that. Was just basing my observation on Baku, which has never had any problems.

[Stephane]

That pit exit is asking for trouble

[thegamer23]

Legendary OP Jon!   

Got me hyped even though my hype for this season of F1 is below ground level, quite an achievement! 

I now believe in a Haas 1-2!

[RC127]

That has to be a contender for one of the finest - if not THE finest - OP for a Grand Prix build up thread of all time.

Bask in the glory JP you deserve it!

[RC127]

Don’t know if this is true but apparently Martin Brundle is doing is grid walk on stilts.

😂😂😂

[prommer]

So what does one do when JP asks one to contribute to an OP that's going live in the middle of the night when one is still asleep on West Coast US time? Well, JP says to just chuck it in the thread anyway, at the same time he also steals one's Clive James video. So, here's the continuation of the "Page 33 ur doing it wrong OP" OP.

 

 

Howdy, Partner! For some rea$on, this week’s edition of Formula 1 comes from the desert wasteland known as Las Vegas. Now, some of us from the Indycar threads are secretly jealous that F1 has managed to pull off this caper. Indycar, very not-famously, was the first racing series to close down the Las Vegas Strip (in 2011, the rest of the story is best left unexplored) for a promotional lap, but to run a whole race on the Strip? Well, golf clap to Liberty.  This promises to be quite the eye-opening event, if perhaps not a fully-functioning, ready for prime time race, with a decent likelihood of ending in farce. And if that doesn’t sound like something Indycar could’ve pulled off then, well… like I said, jealous.

 

F1 in Vegas: How We Got Here

(your view of the track outside businesses that didn't pay Liberty)

 

To understand how we got to this point in Las Vegas, you have to understand how Las Vegas got to this point in Las Vegas. War, war never changes. Oh, sorry, wrong story. But Las Vegas does!  Regularly! The city has undergone more reinventions than Madonna or the wrestler Chris Jericho. Technically speaking, there should be no there there, where there is now an improbable city with an even more improbable F1 race.

 

First, the railroad came to town, because people wanted to get to Los Angeles, and all the rest of the rail lines went to San Francisco. Hey, I guess we’re a railroad town, now! (1905).

 

Then people in Los Angeles really, really wanted to get divorced and Nevada made it remarkably easy – you just had to live on a dude ranch for a few weeks to become a citizen, and qualify for your divorce. Hey, are we now a resort destination? (1920)

 

Then the people of Los Angeles needed power, and the rest of America needed jobs, so Boulder err Hoover Dam turned the town into a small city almost overnight. Hey, are we a city now? (1931)

 

Then the mobsters on the East Coast needed somewhere sleepy to launder their money, and suddenly the liberal gambling laws remade the little city into a major gambling destination (1946).

 

From that point forward, the history of the city is inexorably linked with the gaming industry. But that didn’t stop the reinvention! Oh, no.  In fact, one might say this reinvention is remarkably similar to the current one, where we’ve ended up with F1. We said, Hey, does this mean we are Monaco now? And promptly brought in the Folies Bergere straight from Paris, reimagined their dancers as the iconic “Vegas showgirls”, opened an integrated resort called the Moulin Rouge, and also brought in Noel Coward and other foreign acts to entertain the rank-and-file American guests. (1950s)

 

Somewhere along the way, that all fizzled out and Las Vegas rebranded as an All-American Wild West saloon, despite the fact that there absolutely nothing going on here during the Wild West era, save for some Paiute and a few Mormons. (1970s)

 

 

Then a new era of megaresorts began, on lots of land owned by a famous fellow who lived in squalor on the top floor of one of them. This era was yet another time when the city made an about-face and remembered that there’s a world outside of the USA, which resulted in the first F1 race in the Caesars Palace parking lot. (1980s)

 

Then suddenly Las Vegas took another hard right turn as this very family-unfriendly town discovered the concept of family tourism and built a bunch of weird fantasy hotels like the Luxor and the Excalibur, adding animatronic dragons and pirates and a handful of roller coasters. Boy, was that a weird era that came out of nowhere. (1990s)

 

Then they discovered EDM and dayclubs and DJs and suddenly it became Ibiza around here (2000s).  This morphed into a post-recession boom in Ultra-Luxe resorts with exorbitant pricing which has ended up in a new trend of megaresorts catering to tourists from around the world with lots and lots and lots of cash (Resorts World, Aria, Fontainebleau, MSG Sphere, etc).

 

And it’s this current era that has led to our current predicament of finding an F1 race in our midst. What we have now is a sleepy desert settlement with occasional world-class pretensions that seems eager to put on a world-class event. Will we get a Major Event that gives us equal bits of Monaco, Singapore, and Baku (the castles are fake, though) all rolled into one? Or will we get a gussied-up Indycar street race with all the mayhem and randomness that we’ve come to expect and (in some cases) love?

 

And will the locals put up with the F1 circus enough to allow the event to exist for the entirety of its 10 year contract? We’ll see. By that time, Las Vegas may have moved on to the next thing. I’m guessing AI/virtual strip clubs, probably. Or the movie Idiocracy.

(JP in his PMs to me)

Edited by prommer, 10 November 2023 - 17:14.

[SophieB]

YES, New Vegas!
 

Also, RIP Matthew Perry, AKA Benny from that game who apparently got the gig of one of the best things in New Vegas because of how much he spoke about loving playing Fallout 3.

[Nemo1965]

Are they going to project footage of the race on the Globe during the race? If not careful, Alonso or Max will crash because they’re too busy watching others race!

[JeePee]

There's barely any run-up. It will be fine. 

 

However, the chicane at the end of the strip on lap 1 could be quite fun to watch with all those heavy tanks and cold tyres... 

That's why they didn't place a grand stand there.

 

Wait...

[AustinF1]

Las Vegas might be the top of the current popularity bubble.

Who knows.

I think that bubble is already shrinking, at least in the US.

[balmybaldwin]

 

F1 Las Vegas

 

@F1LasVegas

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12h

 

The Pit Building is READY! #LasVegasGP #F1

 

Looks like that pit entry could cause issues like the one at the redbull ring with cars entering pits on the racing line

 

Edit: it's an exit isn't it... still could cause some fun

Edited by balmybaldwin, 10 November 2023 - 17:51.

[JeePee]

Looks like that pit entry could cause issues like the one at the redbull ring with cars entering pits on the racing line

That's the pit exit.

 

And the racing line will be on the outside of that.

[PayasYouRace]

That pit exit is asking for trouble

It’s really out of the way.

[eibyyz]

By that time, Las Vegas may have moved on to the next thing. I’m guessing AI/virtual strip clubs, probably. 

 

I like how you think.  AI/animatronics will render the chicken ranches obsolete--and run the pimps out of business, too.  The issue of prostitution will be moot.

Edited by eibyyz, 10 November 2023 - 17:58.

[AustinF1]

A worthy opener!

With the predicted temps I wonder if it will be like Turkey that one time when there was no grip and it was all a bit of a joke.

I keep seeing lots of talk about 4 degree temperatures, but that's not what the forecast shows. More like 13C at race start time (55F). Not terribly cold, so that's not so bad for the tires.

[Skelly1927]

I keep seeing lots of talk about 4 degree temperatures, but that's not what the forecast shows. More like 13C at race start time (55F). Not terribly cold, so that's not so bad for the tires.

 

Track temperature will be the key measurement.