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#5201 loki

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Posted 24 November 2024 - 19:10

A fine or ticket!? Surely this isn't against the law? Imagine Monaco with this, not allowed to look out the window

For the bridges they don’t allow stopping as a way to selectively enforce no vending or busking as a general rule race or not.  If someone stops to look or take a pic it’s not enforced.  It’s going through the court system now.  During the race week the bridges have a now non removable covering (and nets on top so no one throws things over).  At most places where the race is on the Strip you can’t see from the sidewalk and in the few places you could the access has been restricted so if you congregate it blocks what limited access there is.  If you are on private property you can look all you want as long as the owner is OK with it and no fire regs (capacity, access, etc) are violated.  



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#5202 Claudius

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Posted 24 November 2024 - 19:41

What damage did Sainz cause? The team didn't lose any points, and he really doesn't owe Leclerc anything. If anything the team potentially lost themselves points by not pitting Sainz earlier when he requested it.


According to Lec, he was told Sainz wouldn’t attack him. Charles was livid and I believe that there was some kind of understaing that Sainz didn’t follow. Make of that what you will.

#5203 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 24 November 2024 - 21:56

According to Lec, he was told Sainz wouldn’t attack him. Charles was livid and I believe that there was some kind of understaing that Sainz didn’t follow. Make of that what you will.

Sainz was told not to attack him. He did not agree to it.
Ferrari created that mess by messing up Sainz in the first place and messing up the communication to Leclerc

#5204 Autodromo

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Posted 24 November 2024 - 22:14

Nobody with any class likes Las Vegas.

I believe that Vegas is a completely different animal when you have a lot of money.  



#5205 Autodromo

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Posted 24 November 2024 - 22:15

Sainz was told not to attack him. He did not agree to it.
Ferrari created that mess by messing up Sainz in the first place and messing up the communication to Leclerc

I gathered that the agreement was "whoever is ahead after the last pit stop stays ahead".  I am assuming Carlos agreed to the discussion ahead of the race.  Maybe he was crossing his fingers behind his back, though.



#5206 917k

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Posted 24 November 2024 - 22:28

The camera angles at this track are fantastic, they show the true speed and make the track and cars look properly epic. The camera position at turn 17 should be emulated by every track in the world.



#5207 Grippy

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Posted 24 November 2024 - 23:04

The camera angles at this track are fantastic, they show the true speed and make the track and cars look properly epic. The camera position at turn 17 should be emulated by every track in the world.

I thought the head-on shot of LAW and MAG side-by-side on lap 1(?) was great and really shows what the drivers do.



#5208 917k

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Posted 24 November 2024 - 23:13

I thought the head-on shot of LAW and MAG side-by-side on lap 1(?) was great and really shows what the drivers do.

Yeah, it was just shocking to suddenly see them coming out side by side. Great stuff.



#5209 eibyyz

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Posted 25 November 2024 - 00:41

Nobody with any class likes Las Vegas.

 

I love it, but my expectations are probably different than the average tastemaker/influencer.  I don't think I'm going to turn $100 into $50K at blackjack.  My idea of dining during my last trip was Steak 'n Shake and Outback.  And I loved it, I will go back.  



#5210 CoolBreeze

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Posted 25 November 2024 - 01:27

"Butchered" probably means how they added tarmac run-off areas to every corner. It was better when it was all gravel.

Naa, butchered means 2000 Hockeinheim and 2024 Hockenheim. Sepang was never butchered. I was just there a month ago for track days. The track is still fabulous as ever.



#5211 John B

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Posted 25 November 2024 - 02:57

Same last year, it’s an unfair situation to put them in, really.


And imagine if Ferrari had finished 2-3 and both had to ride in the car after the team order snafu...

#5212 Autodromo

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Posted 25 November 2024 - 12:56

Naa, butchered means 2000 Hockeinheim and 2024 Hockenheim. Sepang was never butchered. I was just there a month ago for track days. The track is still fabulous as ever.

That was always my favorite track and I was sad when they dumped it.  



#5213 JimmyClark

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Posted 25 November 2024 - 14:41

Naa, butchered means 2000 Hockeinheim and 2024 Hockenheim. Sepang was never butchered. I was just there a month ago for track days. The track is still fabulous as ever.


They did some ridiculous off-camber redesign to Sepang's corners which ruined the flow somewhat. But yeah, I'd still have it back in a heartbeat.

#5214 Deeq

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Posted 25 November 2024 - 15:34

Why is he fuming? He screwed his race in the beginning burning his tyres chasing Russell. Sainz was the faster driver, period.

What happened then after the pitstop Yeah, Sainz burned his tyres and Charles wasnt given right to beat his teammate.. kept him out several laps even having pitted earlier.

#5215 AlexPrime

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Posted 25 November 2024 - 19:08

Carlos thinks himself very smart, but that attitude left him in Williams. With Vowles for team boss.



#5216 brucewayne

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Posted 25 November 2024 - 19:56

Carlos thinks himself very smart, but that attitude left him in Williams. With Vowles for team boss.


Literally the reason he won’t drive for a top team anymore.

#5217 brucewayne

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Posted 25 November 2024 - 19:57

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Interesting observation. Is this DAS 2.0?

#5218 MortenF1

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Posted 25 November 2024 - 20:07

I’m not sure I’m seeing either the supposed steering wheel movement (apart from the obvious) or the front axle moving 😐
If the front axle or wishbones appear to move, surely it’s more likely to be jaw under weight transfer when slowing for the corner.

#5219 Sterzo

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Posted 25 November 2024 - 21:03

It's quite unreasonable to demand that another forum member posts, but I'm desperate to hear how paulb got on with his broom at Vegas.



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#5220 loki

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Posted 26 November 2024 - 08:36

Vegas Metro PD blows a hole in F1s outrageous claim of 306k three day for rawe ceek.  It’s 32k Thurs, 50k Fri and 57k Sat.  Hotel bookings, particularly Thurs and Fri don’t come anywhere near what would be required for what F1 states.  They say the through the gate doesn't include VIPs and hospitality.  Where did these people sleep?  In their cars? Air BnB?  That would mean there were 55k a night average that weren't through the gate.  Add that the permit was for 80k for the entire event.  You don’t have $40 rooms on a Thurs or $140 rooms on Fri at MGM grand if there are 100k plus per night in town.  On Sat there were more here that weren’t here for the race.  More on that below.

 

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So of course LVCVA wants to extend the deal after next year.  My understanding is the resorts agreed prior to the race this year to agree to a race next year, barring anything catastrophic happening.  As stated above due to a combination of the Raiders game and mass last minute So Cal promotions there were more here over the weekend than came for the race.  It was brisk.  Some of the larger shows had more or less normal houses though with heavily discounted tickets.  Traffic in many resorts was up considerably during the race events compare to last year.  If you are on the gaming floor or in a club when the race is going on you aren’t here for the race.  

 

They have potentially found a way to coexist with the race though that doesn’t eliminate concerns.  Concerns are impact prior and post race.  Word is the couple weeks prior it was down in town.  Conventions and meetings are avoiding Nov altogether when before the race came to town they came the first 3 weeks in Nov.  The 100k or so that work in the resort corridor are impacted for a few months.  While LVCVA want the event to continue they have no say.  At all.  They only sponsor the event with paid signage and Vegas promotional This will be the resorts and county making the call.  Post event the resorts have been stone cold quiet.  We’ll see how things look when quarterlies come out.

 

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#5221 paulb

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Posted 26 November 2024 - 12:05

It's quite unreasonable to demand that another forum member posts, but I'm desperate to hear how paulb got on with his broom at Vegas.

I’ll put a blurb together later today. Am currently on layover in Atlanta before catching the flight home.

#5222 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 27 November 2024 - 16:38

Zilly boys and girls! The Las Vegas edition! TUDUM!

 



#5223 AlcidioG

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Posted 27 November 2024 - 19:22

Zilly boys and girls! The Las Vegas edition! TUDUM!

 

 

I like the Brasil one the most:)



#5224 paulb

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Posted 01 December 2024 - 22:09

Apologies to all, especially Sterzo, for taking so long to provide a report of my 2024 LVGP Intervention Marshal experience. It won’t be as extensive as last years report because that was an unequalled experience and I did not take as many pictures. The organization, informational materials, and training were far better this year than last. We even had a Ferrari Challenge car to train with.

 

I was stationed at post 9.9 which was at a straight section not long before the fast turn 10. It was on the west side of the Sphere, drivers left, and part of the Volcan tequila track geography.

 

I’ll start with obligatory Sphere pictures. It is very cool and thankfully not the solar distraction I thought it might be. The first shot shows the outer guts, which is a marvel in itself. You could also see the seating in the proper conditions. The second shot is just cool.

 

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Marshals were transported via bus to the track each day from the Luxor. Wednesday was a traffic cluster. Idiots were cutting in front of our bus like it did not exist. Our driver was a saint for not losing it. The significant delay was flowed up the chain and you see the result in the second picture. It was sweet.

 

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A cool aspect of our station was that the cars were beginning to set up for turn 10 and this meant they started moving towards the left side of the track. Both the Ferrari Challenge and F1 cars would get to within few feet of the barriers in front of us. The downside was that we were treated to a steady diet of wind and dust in the face the entire week.

 

The first pic below is the intervention crew. The gentleman in the center is from Canada. Lady on the right was the intervention lead and who I had worked with at last year’s race. The second pic is the entire 9.9 team which includes flag marshals and timing. The only intervention action we had was cleaning track debris from Ferrari Challenge racing.

 

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Race day was uneventful, but still memorable. I love walking on the track from the bus drop-off location (turn 9) to our station. It was warmer on race day than subsequent days, and at this time the temp was perfect. The 9.9 crew was invited to turn 8 to join a marshal group for the national anthem. Someone had brought an American flag which was proudly displayed during the song.

 

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Schedule is everything, particularly at the end of the race. The station had to be quickly prepped for exit, which included carrying the large (mostly empty) equipment container out onto the track in front of your station. Normally that would be easy, but the closest track access that we could carry the container through was towards turn 10 via a mostly narrow path between the barriers and whatever fencing/equipment/cabling that was in place. Lucky me got the walk backwards and try not to trip over anything position. We managed the trek without any drinking story material.

 

So it is time to say goodbye again to the LVGP. Waiting for the bus (not all day… and leaving the building)

 

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And lastly, I want to post a pic of an enjoyable meal I shared with family. I miss it in Florida

 

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#5225 jonpollak

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Posted 01 December 2024 - 23:45

If this isn’t post of the year …

Thanks paulb
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#5226 paulb

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Posted 02 December 2024 - 02:02

If this isn’t post of the year …

Thanks paulb
Jp

You’re too kind Jon. I wish more people here would take advantage of the same opportunity. Its fun.

#5227 loki

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Posted 14 December 2024 - 20:37

From the last LVCVA meeting…

 

Economic impact “studies” not yet available.  Perhaps because in terms of revenue generation compared to the first year it was a clunker.  That’s why they’re talking about earned media and social media reach.  Those don’t pay the bills though.  They will look at shortening the setup and teardown.  Rumblings around town are 4 weeks pre and 2 weeks post seem to be about the threshold.

 

Not mentioned it was about 125k combined 3 day through the gate.  Raiders saved the weekend.  Unless they can pivot and get a true 300k plus 3 day good chance it won’t make it to year 4.  Don’t expect an extension announcement until closer to the race.  The damage to the fall convention and tourism season is more obvious this year.

 

https://www.reviewjo...-event-3226099/

 

Letter to editor about the impact.

 

https://www.reviewjo...-vegas-3228394/