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#1 registered

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 15:35

I interprete this as they were not in it for the motorcycle racing in the first place

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#2 P0inters

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 16:31

Suzuki set to quit MotoGP at the end of the year. What on earth? 

https://www.motorspo...-2022/10268146/

 

Sounds like Mir to the Repsol Honda with Rins future unclear.


Edited by P0inters, 02 May 2022 - 16:33.


#3 TecnoRacing

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 16:31

Wow, Suzuki leaving sucks... ):



#4 thegamer23

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 16:33

Suzuki set to quit MotoGP at the end of the year. What on earth? 

https://www.motorspo...-2022/10268146/

 

That's unexpected  :eek:

 

This triggers the riders market as well, Mir/Rins looking for a ride!


Edited by thegamer23, 02 May 2022 - 16:34.


#5 manmower

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 16:38

Shocking, and a shame if true. The more competitive manufacturers the merrier.

#6 Silberpfeil

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 16:50

I think Franco Morbidelli just got very, very nervous indeed.

#7 Astandahl

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 17:08

Terrible news.



#8 l8apex

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 17:31

What a shame.  Suzuki has a great MotoGP bike.  There was a real expectation that they might expand and add a satellite team, not pull out of the sport entirely :(

 

Can Yamaha buy their engine IP?



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Posted 02 May 2022 - 17:35

This is bad news, although historically Suzuki have been maybe a bit less committed to Grand Prix racing than the other two big Japanese manufacturers.

 

Anyone know the reasons why the blue team is throwing in the towel?



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Posted 02 May 2022 - 17:38

This is bad news, although historically Suzuki have been maybe a bit less committed to Grand Prix racing than the other two big Japanese manufacturers.

 

Anyone know the reasons why the blue team is throwing in the towel?

 

To go to World Superbike and Supercross again ? Anything less is an absolute insult to Racing.

We have something great in MotoGP right now, 6! competitive manufacturers. 

I despise brands that are quitters. Not real racers.

Davide Brivio's move now looks so much more understandable....


Edited by OvDrone, 02 May 2022 - 17:38.


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Posted 02 May 2022 - 17:41

Davide Brivio's move now looks so much more understandable....

 

Yes, I wonder what HQ said when he told them what kind of investment it would take to keep Suzuki at their 2020 level for the long term. Well I don't wonder what they said, but I wonder how he took it.



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Posted 02 May 2022 - 17:49

I wonder as well. The timing of the announcement strikes as a typical Q1 boardroom review decision.

Such a shame.

#13 Pete_f1

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 17:49

Such a shame

#14 Ncedi

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 17:51

Crazy news, so unexpected.

The bargaining power of people like Aleix, Miguel, Pol, etc has just greatly diminished...

#15 ehagar

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 17:55

I am puzzled by one thing. They signed a 5 year agreement with Dorna. When Kawasaki left they ran the Hayate for a year. How do they get out of this?

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 18:03

I continue to not understand the reasoning of Japanese manufacturers in motorsport. Honda quits F1 not long after they finally get their act together, and Suzuki leaves MotoGP two years after one of their riders won championship. Bizarre. 


Edited by JHSingo, 02 May 2022 - 18:04.


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Posted 02 May 2022 - 18:15

Booooo! This sucks.  :(

 

I don't quite understand how Mir has a Repsol Honda seat lined up unless he either knew in advance or was heading there anyway.

 

It does make sense as I noted a while back - with Marquez not what he was, HRC no longer represents the career suicide it did when Lorenzo made that foolish decision.



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Posted 02 May 2022 - 18:16

Suzuki have always been the lowest budget of the 3 main Japanese companies that race.  And if management felt that they didn't get enough out of racing for even that paltry sum, I guess it is not surprising.  It really is only Honda and Yamaha that are genuinely committed to racing.



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Posted 02 May 2022 - 18:18

I think Franco Morbidelli just got very, very nervous indeed.

 

Yep, he's in big trouble if what Lin Jarvis said post-race at Jerez is any guide. It's easier to fix a fast crasher than someone finishing half a minute behind his team-mate. I would pick Rins over him.


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Posted 02 May 2022 - 19:12

Only just saw the news, what the actual hell. And here I was, thinking how well they’ve been doing so far this season. I mean they’re only leading the teams’ standings, I guess that doesn’t matter all that much in their scheme of things..

What a shame. Throws open the driver market for 2023 and beyond, though.

Edit: Wasn’t Mir linked to a Repsol Honda seat pre-season? He’s been coy about his future all along. Writing’s on the wall for Pol I’m afraid.

Edited by BRK, 02 May 2022 - 19:15.


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Posted 02 May 2022 - 19:14

Suzuki have always been the lowest budget of the 3 main Japanese companies that race.  And if management felt that they didn't get enough out of racing for even that paltry sum, I guess it is not surprising.  It really is only Honda and Yamaha that are genuinely committed to racing.

 

This is the most worrying thing. What if Suzuki is the 'smart' manufacturer and this just betrays how poor a value motorsport actually is. 



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Posted 02 May 2022 - 19:43

So with Mir likely to go to Honda, where is Rins going to go, even with his ability to crash at times, he's surely better than some of the others out there at the moment. 



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Posted 02 May 2022 - 20:09

Unbelievable.  :|  :confused:

 

 

So with Mir likely to go to Honda, where is Rins going to go, even with his ability to crash at times, he's surely better than some of the others out there at the moment. 

 

I would guess Yamaha? Dovi is surely out and Franco not doing great either so at least one seat is free.

 

No idea about Pol, would Aprilia want him?


Edited by dissident, 02 May 2022 - 20:09.


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Posted 02 May 2022 - 20:30

To go to World Superbike and Supercross again ? Anything less is an absolute insult to Racing.

We have something great in MotoGP right now, 6! competitive manufacturers.  

I despise brands that are quitters. Not real racers.

Davide Brivio's move now looks so much more understandable....

 

I take a dim view of a motorcycle company who doesn't treat racing seriously. Honda & Yamaha have racing in their DNA, across many categories of motorcycle sport. Suzuki pulling out of MotoGP, and as yet they're not in any of the other major global championships (WSBK, MXGP, Enduro).



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Posted 02 May 2022 - 20:31

Did not see that coming :well:



#26 William Hunt

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 20:52

dreadful news and a big shock



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Posted 02 May 2022 - 21:10

So with Mir likely to go to Honda, where is Rins going to go, even with his ability to crash at times, he's surely better than some of the others out there at the moment. 

 

Many options. One could be the Yamaha satellite team no one knows the name of anymore, or even the factory Yamaha if Morbidelli keeps disappointing. If Morbidelli didn't have a contract for next year I would sort of expect to see Rins end up at the factory team. But I also feel Viñales needs to start delivering not to risk his future at Aprilia. Right now Aleix looks MUCH better. I'd take a chance on Rins if I ran the team and Viñales didn't start to deliver soon. Having said that, I'd take Rins over both Zarco and Miller too, just saying... I feel he is too good not to get a decent ride.



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Posted 02 May 2022 - 21:19

God, that’s really bad news and such a shame, really didn’t see it coming. They’ve won a championship and everything. Smallest budget, amazing results, all looking like it might come good this year. One of the most disappointing team withdrawals for a long time.

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 21:23

God, that’s really bad news and such a shame, really didn’t see it coming. They’ve won a championship and everything. Smallest budget, amazing results, all looking like it might come good this year. One of the most disappointing team withdrawals for a long time.

 

Indeed. It would be understandable if they were uncompetitive, but this...  :|  

 

When was the last time a team this competitive pulled out?


Edited by Lennat, 02 May 2022 - 21:23.


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Posted 02 May 2022 - 21:28

Wow what a shocker it's not like they are going bad or something.

(Despite me having the opening post that was not about his topic)1

#31 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 21:57

I can see Pol going back to KTM, replacing Oliveira. He’s the only one who made that bike work, despite never winning on it.

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 22:13

I take a dim view of a motorcycle company who doesn't treat racing seriously. Honda & Yamaha have racing in their DNA, across many categories of motorcycle sport. Suzuki pulling out of MotoGP, and as yet they're not in any of the other major global championships (WSBK, MXGP, Enduro).

In fairness, the budget for every other FIM global series Suzuki is in, put together, is less than MotoGP. And the people buying Gixxers would keep buying them if the only contest Suzuki entered was a neighbourhood round of the dozens.

For Suzuki’s corporate management, MotoGP might have been an annual agony they’d been trying to kill for a while.

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 22:48

The timing of it looks like a knee jerk reaction from financial review of the first quarter.

I guess the Ukraine situation is starting to hit racing.

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Posted 02 May 2022 - 22:51

In fairness, the budget for every other FIM global series Suzuki is in, put together, is less than MotoGP. And the people buying Gixxers would keep buying them if the only contest Suzuki entered was a neighbourhood round of the dozens.

For Suzuki’s corporate management, MotoGP might have been an annual agony they’d been trying to kill for a while.

 

Given Suzuki's current motorcycle offerings, I would argue they aren't terribly interested in motorcycles period....



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Posted 02 May 2022 - 23:20

Not really surprised or shocked by it. Here are some reasons.

 

https://www.motorcyc...ki-motorcycles/

 

https://www.outlooki...oes-news-194548



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 03:09

Yes, but it feels a bit different from 2008-2009 GEC... almost like a tailspin they may not recover from.

 

 

https://www.superbik...-annual-report/

 

https://www.superbik...-out-of-motogp/


Edited by ehagar, 03 May 2022 - 04:28.


#37 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 04:58

Suzuki has been producing parts bin bikes for like a decade now. Can't be at all surprised that nobody is buying them.

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 07:35

Surprising, and most disappointing.



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 07:37

Yep, he's in big trouble if what Lin Jarvis said post-race at Jerez is any guide. It's easier to fix a fast crasher than someone finishing half a minute behind his team-mate. I would pick Rins over him.

 

This is so confusing. We know Morbidelli is a very good rider. He almost took the title in 2020. Now he is a slow rider all of a sudden!? Smth doesn't add up.



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 08:17

This is a utter shock to me, MotoGP the last two years have been amazing to watch, top line motor racing - and with them winning the championship too.

 

With no Suzuki, no Kawasaki, no BMW etc - we are only left with 4 of big brands left in the sport, I can't see that being very healthy for the championship long term. :well:



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 08:59

Maybe Suzuki accomplished what they set out to do on the budget they had. Win a championship and be a player at the front. Both boxes checked.
We should be glad they came back and were a challenger.
Maybe they see the financial future and it doesn't look good.

#42 Junky

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 10:07

Maybe Suzuki accomplished what they set out to do on the budget they had. Win a championship and be a player at the front. Both boxes checked.
We should be glad they came back and were a challenger.
Maybe they see the financial future and it doesn't look good.

That's not the issue: the company simply doesn't have the money to compete. Right now, Suzuki is an obsolete brand and is starting to paying the price.



#43 Sterzo

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 10:08

Maybe Suzuki accomplished what they set out to do on the budget they had. Win a championship and be a player at the front. Both boxes checked.
We should be glad they came back and were a challenger.
Maybe they see the financial future and it doesn't look good.

Exactly. No-one owes it to us to spend their money on racing just so we can watch it on TV.



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 11:19

Dorna says their contract doesn’t permit this:

 

https://twitter.com/...AC2EemTwlSlCnUg

 

e. “ “Following recent rumours of Suzuki departing MotoGP at the end of 2022, Dorna Sports has officially contacted the factory in order to remind them that the conditions of their contract to race in MotoGP do not allow for them to take this decision unilaterally. 

“However, should Suzuki depart following an agreement between both parties, Dorna will decide on the ideal number of riders and teams racing in the MotoGP class from 2023.

 

“Dorna continues to receive high levels of interest from a number of both official factories and Independent Teams looking to join the MotoGP grid as the sport continues to set a global example of close competition, innovation and entertainment, reaching hundreds of millions of fans around the world.

“Interest from these parties has been re-confirmed in the past 24 hours.” 



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 11:43

Sounds like Dorna are fully expecting a payoff!

 

The word is that the two Suzuki bikes will be replaced by two extra Aprilias run by a satellite team.

 

MotoGP-land is looking quite healthy on the surface but between the Suzuki pull-out and Yamaha's ongoing failure to replace Tech 3 as a credible and sustainable B-team, there are signs of trouble.



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 16:00

Not related to their bikes, but interesting...

 

https://www.reuters....ing-2022-04-27/


Edited by ehagar, 03 May 2022 - 16:00.


#47 juicy sushi

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 17:53

Seems like hard times are coming to Hamamatsu.  They didn't see where the future was leading, and now may be too far down the wrong path to change direction in time...



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 17:59

This is a utter shock to me, MotoGP the last two years have been amazing to watch, top line motor racing - and with them winning the championship too.

 

With no Suzuki, no Kawasaki, no BMW etc - we are only left with 4 of big brands left in the sport, I can't see that being very healthy for the championship long term. :well:

 

Business downturns will always happen and very arguably Dorna have done well to ensure that their championship isn't too dependent on the large-volume manufacturers like Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki.



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 19:36

Those financial statements are really revealing though.  Suzuki, one of the "Big 4" Japanese motorcycle companies, sells less than 200k bikes a year.  Kawasaki 400k. (Less surprising given how much else Kawasaki do).  Honda make 10 million.  The scale is so different it gives a real sense of who can afford to care about racing and who can't.



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 19:51

Not related to their bikes, but interesting...

https://www.reuters....ing-2022-04-27/


I have thought for a long time that the scale of emissions cheating by manufacturers suggests the regulations are over and above what is reasonably achievable. I mean they clearly are achievable, but it must have been at such cost that big brands have taken risks to avoid the hit.