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Poll: Which is the best of the classic F1 tracks? (130 member(s) have cast votes)

Favourite classic track? (original poll)

  1. Monaco (7 votes [5.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.38%

  2. Monza (6 votes [4.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.62%

  3. Spa-Francorchamps (58 votes [44.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.62%

  4. Silverstone (7 votes [5.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.38%

  5. Suzuka (25 votes [19.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.23%

  6. Interlagos (10 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  7. Nurburgring Nordschleife (10 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  8. Other (please state) (7 votes [5.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.38%

Favourite track of the past?

  1. Nurburgring Nordschleife (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Brands Hatch (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Osterreichring (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Spa-Francorchamps (long layout) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Monza (no chicanes) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Hockenheim (old layout) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Rouen-Les-Essarts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Reims-Gueux (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. Clermont-Ferrand (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. Pedralbes (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  11. Bremgarten (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  12. Kyalami (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  13. Interlagos (old layout) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  14. Adelaide (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  15. Watkins Glen (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  16. Pescara (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  17. Montjuic (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  18. Mosport Park (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  19. Indianapolis (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  20. Other (please state) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Favourite modern track? (latest layout)

  1. Monaco (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Monza (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Spa-Francorchamps (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Silverstone (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Suzuka (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Interlagos (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Nurburgring (short) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Hockenheim (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. Red Bull Ring (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. Montreal (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  11. Imola (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  12. Zandvoort (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  13. Hungaroring (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  14. Istanbul (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  15. Sepang (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  16. COTA (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  17. Portimao (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  18. Baku (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  19. Jeddah (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  20. Other (please state) (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 F1Frog

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 19:52

Although the Formula 1 calendar has changed every year since the introduction of the championship in 1950, with 75 different tracks having hosted Grands Prix, there are a group of tracks considered by most fans to be the ‘classic tracks.’ These are so-called mainly because they are (mostly) the tracks that have held the most races in history, but also because they are widely considered to be the best tracks on the calendar. They are usually the most exciting to watch the cars on, require the most skill to perfect and also have the most history in the championship.

 

The tracks I would consider to be ‘classics’ are Monza, Monte Carlo, Silverstone, Spa-Francorchamps, Suzuka and Interlagos. Almost every F1 fan, if selecting their favourite track, would choose one of these six, and they should be absolutely undroppable from the calendar. It would be a travesty to lose any of the six due to money issues. The other track I would consider to be a classic is the Nordschleife Nurburgring, last used in 1976 after F1 decreed it too dangerous following Niki Lauda’s fiery accident. Montreal, Hockenheim, Hungaroring, Red Bull Ring, Zandvoort, Catalunya and Imola are also great tracks with much history, but they all fall just short of classic status.

 

Monte Carlo

 

The first classic track is Monaco, and as it has replaced the Formula 1 championship as part of the ‘Triple Crown’ (along with Le Mans and the Indy 500), it is considered the most iconic race track and so should be absolutely undroppable from the calendar. The Monaco track divides opinion, as many dislike it due to the fact that it is so difficult to overtake, and this causes the races to often be processional. The race has also been accused of only being on the calendar due to the glamour and money of the country. However, there is far more of the Monaco Grand Prix than this, as racing for two hours millimetres from the walls, with any tiny mistake putting you in the barriers, makes it the track that requires more skill to drive than any other.

 

The track starts with the run up to Sainte Devote, which is a slow right-hander and leads the cars up the hill at Beau Rivage. Next is a long left-hander at Massenet, followed by a right at Casino and the run up to a sharp right at Mirabeau. Next is the slowest corner on the calendar, the hairpin, followed by two right-handers, Portier, before the cars go through the tunnel and up towards the Nouvelle Chicane. Next is the fast left-hander of Tabac and the fast swimming pool section which ends with another chicane, and then the two slow right-handers at the end of the track, Rascasse and Anthony Noghes. The races are typically 78 laps, take place in May, and the track is 3.337km long. This means that overall race distance is the shortest on the calendar, as the average lap speed is the slowest.

 

The first Monaco Grand Prix took place in 1950 and was won by Juan Manuel Fangio. After being absent from the calendar from 1951-1954, it has since been a mainstay every season, bar 2020 when it was cancelled due to the pandemic. Maurice Trintignant won the race twice in 1955 and 1958, while Graham Hill won it five times in the 1960s. The 1970 race was also a famous one as Jochen Rindt pressured Jack Brabham into a mistake on the final lap and won, while in 1972, Jean-Pierre Beltoise won dominantly in the wet. The greatest Monaco Grand Prix of all time was in 1982, ‘the race nobody wanted to win,’ where, Alain Prost crashed out of the lead for Renault, then Ricardo Patrese spun, Didier Pironi and Andrea de Cesaris ran out of fuel and then Patrese came back through to win. All of this happened in the final three laps.

 

The race was also wet in 1984, and while Alain Prost led for McLaren he was chased down by Ayrton Senna’s Toleman and held on to win due to the flag being shown early. This began a ten-year period in which Prost and Senna were the only drivers to win Monaco, with 1988 a particularly famous race as Senna, after one of the greatest qualifying laps of all time, pulled long into the distance ahead of Prost, but after pushing too hard he hit the wall and threw away an easy victory. In 1992, Senna won after a great defence to hold off Nigel Mansell’s far superior Williams. Senna is the most successful driver at Monaco with six victories.

 

Olivier Panis won a crazy Monaco Grand Prix in 1996 in which race leaders Damon Hill and Jean Alesi both retired and only four cars finished. Then David Coulthard took an impressive win in 2002, and Jarno Trulli won his only race in 2004, the only race of the first 13 that year not won by Michael Schumacher. In 2006, Michael Schumacher deliberately stopped in qualifying in order to bring out a yellow flag and claim pole, but was thrown to the back for his actions. In 2011, we were robbed of a great finish due to a red flag allowing leader Vettel to put on fresh tyres. 2015 was another notable Monaco GP as Lewis Hamilton pitted for Mercedes during a late safety car, only to discover a miscalculation meant he lost position to Nico Rosberg and Sebastian Vettel, thus handing his rival victory. In 2018, Daniel Ricciardo won the race despite being down on power, making up for losing it in 2016 to a slow pitstop.

 

Monza

 

The Italian Grand Prix has taken place at Monza, the fastest track on the calendar, in every year since the Formula 1 championship began, bar 1980, meaning is has hosted more Formula 1 Grands Prix than any other. Monza is probably my least favourite of the six classic tracks as neither a qualifying lap or race is as exciting to watch as the other five, but it still books its place in the classic championship due to the history and is still among the best tracks overall in Formula 1. It is also famous for the Tifosi, the Italian crowd always turning up to support Ferrari, the mainstay team in Formula 1 since 1950. The original Monza circuit had no chicanes, meaning it was a very different track to any other on the calendar as the flat-out nature of the race and powerful slipstream effect made it more like a NASCAR race. The cars even raced on an oval version of the track for four years in 1955, 1956, 1960 and 1961.

 

The current Monza circuit begins with a long run to turn one, a chicane to the right, and then the cars go up through Curva Grande and the Variente della Roggia, another chicane. Next is two right handers at Curve di Lesmo, followed by the short straight before the Ascari Chicane. Next is another fast straight before the final corner, the 180 degree Parabolica (now renamed Curva Alboreto), and the run to the line. It is typically 53 laps, and has the fastest average speed on the calendar, making it the exact opposite to Monaco.

 

Despite these two tracks being on the calendar almost every year in Formula 1 history, the only drivers to win both Monza and Monaco in the same season are Stirling Moss in 1956, Ronnie Peterson in 1974, Jody Scheckter in 1979, Alain Prost in 1985, Ayrton Senna in 1990 and 1992, Fernando Alonso in 2007 and Sebastian Vettel in 2011.

 

The first Italian Grand Prix was won by Giuseppe Farina in 1950, while the first Ferrari winner was Alberto Ascari in 1951, and Ludovico Scarfiotti took a shock win in 1966. Then the greatest race at Monza was in 1971, as Peter Gethin won by the smallest winning margin in history from Ronnie Peterson, and Francois Cevert and Mike Hailwood also with two tenths at the flag. The race was the final before the introduction of the chicanes and involved slipstreaming throughout in the battle for the lead involving Chris Amon, Clay Regazzoni, Jackie Stewart, Jo Siffert, Ronnie Peterson, Mike Hailwood, Francois Cevert, Howden Ganley, Henri Pescarolo and Jackie Oliver, and numerous changes for the lead. The 1988 race was also a famous Italian Grand Prix as Ayrton Senna collided with backmarker Jean-Louis Schlesser and allowed Gerhard Berger to come through to win for Ferrari ahead of Michele Alboreto in the only race not won by McLaren all year.

 

In 2008, Sebastian Vettel won the Italian Grand Prix from pole in a Toro Rosso, completely on merit despite a wet qualifying in one of the most surprising victories of all time. Then in 2019, Charles Leclerc won for Ferrari, holding off Lewis Hamilton after a bizarre qualifying in which every driver attempted to slow down to not be at the front of the queue in order to get slipstream, and caused them all to miss the line in Q3 on their second laps, bar Sainz and Leclerc. 2020 was another great race as Lewis Hamilton was penalised for pitting when the pit entry was closed, and a lucky safety car allowed Pierre Gasly to come through and win for Alpha Tauri, the first win for any team other than Mercedes, Ferrari or Red Bull since Australia 2013. Then in 2021, title contenders Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen collided at turn one after the pitstops, putting both out of the race and gifting a 1-2 finish to McLaren with Ricciardo winning.

 

Silverstone

 

My personal favourite track on the calendar is Silverstone. Although it comes fourth behind Spa, Monaco and Suzuka in terms of the excitement in watching a qualifying lap, the races are far more exciting at Silverstone than the aforementioned three as cars can run side-by-side for much of the lap. Silverstone is also undroppable from the calendar with many fantastic fast corners, and it also hosted the first ever Grand Prix in 1950. Silverstone has hosted the third-most races after Monza and Monaco, as for a long time it had to alternate with Aintree or Brands Hatch for its place on the calendar.

 

The race starts with a short run towards Abbey and then a twisty section of Village and the loop before the Wellington straight. Next is the left-hander at Brooklands and the right-hander at Luffield, before Woodcote and the old start-finish straight up towards Copse, the fast right-hander, and then Maggots and Becketts, the quick sweep left and right, ending with Chapel and then the Hangar Straight. The final section of the track is a right-hander at Stowe, then Vale and Club, and then back onto the Hamilton straight to the finish line. The track is usually 52 laps.

 

Giuseppe Farina won the first British Grand Prix in Silverstone in 1950, while Jose Froilan Gonzalez won for Ferrari the following year. In 1965, Jim Clark won after holding off Graham Hill despite problems with the car forcing him to turn it off in the corners to save oil and prevent further damage. Another famous race at Silverstone was 1987, which Nigel Mansell won after selling Nelson Piquet the dummy to take the lead into Stowe. Rubens Barrichello won a great race in 2003 which Cristiano da Matta led for a long time and in which a spectator got onto the track and ran down the Hangar Straight. The 2008 race saw Hamilton dominate in the wet, while 2013 was a very memorable race with punctures for Hamilton, Massa, Vergne and Perez and Rosberg hanging on to win from Webber. Both 2018 and 2019 were great races with wheel-to-wheel action from the leaders and wins for Vettel and Hamilton, while in 2021, Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen collided while battling for the lead and Verstappen went into the wall. Hamilton then fought back to pass Leclerc for the win in the final laps of the race.

 

Spa-Francorchamps

 

Although the races don’t tend to be as exciting, Spa-Francorchamps is the best track on the calendar for watching a qualifying lap, and for that reason should never lose its place on the calendar. The original circuit was over 14km long but was dropped due to safety concerns in 1970 and didn’t return until 1983, on a shorter 7km track which remains the longest on the current calendar with only 44 laps, and since it has missed only a couple of seasons. Due to the sheer size and location of the track, it often experiences unpredictable weather in which parts of the track are wet and others dry, while it is also extremely difficult to find the perfect setup due to the first and last sectors being fast and requiring low downforce, but the middle sector being slower and requiring more downforce for the corners. In recent years, the safety of the track has been called into question once again after the fatal accident of Anthoine Hubert in 2019, leading to changes to Eau Rouge and Raidillon.

 

The track begins with a very short run to the the sharp, slow right-hander at La Source, and then a long straight towards Eau Rouge, perhaps the greatest corner in Formula 1. This is a very fast section of left, right and left which is far less of a challenge than it used to be with the new cars. Raidillon is the exit of Eau Rouge, and next comes the Kemmel Straight before the right-hander at Les Combes. Then there is a chicane and a sharp left at Rivage, before the corner with no name and then Pouhon, a very fast left-hander. Then the cars go through another fast chicane before Stavelot, and then it’s the flat out section around Blanchimont towards the Bus Stop, a very slow chicane, and then back to the start-finish line.

 

Juan Manuel Fangio won the inaugural Belgian Grand Prix in 1950, while Jim Clark took a great win in 1963 as he dominated in wet conditions. The race moved to Zolder for a time before F1 returned to the shorter Spa in 1983, where Prost won. Michael Schumacher made his debut in 1991 and then won his first race a year later in 1992, while 1998 was a famous race as David Coulthard caused a huge pileup in the wet at the start, and then slowed while being lapped on the racing line and Schumacher ran into the back of him later in the race. Damon Hill led Ralf Schumacher for a Jordan 1-2.

 

Kimi Raikkonen won the race in 2004, breaking Schumacher’s domination of the season, and won again in 2009 after holding off Giancarlo Fisichella who took pole and finished second for a Force India team that had never previously scored points. Romain Grosjean caused a huge pileup at the start in 2012 for which he was banned for a race, and Nico Hulkenberg a similar one in 2018. In 2014, Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton collided and punctured Hamilton’s tyre, allowed Ricciardo to win. The 2021 Belgian GP was the shortest and worst Grand Prix of all time as torrential rain meant that the race lasted only two laps, behind the safety car and half-points were awarded.

 

Suzuka

 

It is perhaps strange to call Suzuka, the home of the Japanese Grand Prix, a classic track when it only joined the calendar in 1987 and has not hosted as many Grands Prix as many other tracks such as Montreal, Hockenheim and the Hungaroring, but it achieves classic status based on having much history in the championship with multiple great title deciders, usually at the penulatimate round of the season, and also being among the best tracks to watch a qualifying lap. Suzuka was the track at the centre of most of the controversy between Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna and is, to many, the rightful place for the title deciding race. It is also the only track which is a Figure of 8.

 

The track starts with a short run to the very long right-hander at the first corner, and then the cars go through the infamous Esses and towards Dunlop curve. Next is the right-hander at Degner Curve and the run under the bridge towards the hairpin. Then the cars go around towards Spoon Curve, shaped like the edge of a spoon, and down the long straight, around the fast 130R to the final chicane, and then to the start-finish line.

 

Gerhard Berger won the first race at Suzuka for Ferrari as Nigel Mansell’s crash in qualifying won teammate Piquet the championship. Ayrton Senna won the race and championship the following year after dropping down the order at the start due to stalling, and then fighting back through to win after passing Prost’s hobbled car. The 1989 Japanese Grand Prix was one of the most exciting races of all time as Prost led from Senna and Senna needed to win to take the championship. Late in the race, Senna dived down the inside of Prost at the final chicane and Prost turned in on him, possibly deliberately, putting himself and seemingly Senna out of the race. Senna however was push-started by the marshals and drove back onto the track after cutting the chicane, before pitting and chasing down new leader Alessandro Nannini, who he passed at the same corner as the incident with Prost to win and keep his title hopes alive. However, Senna was later farcically disqualified for cutting the chicane and Prost was champion. Senna accused Jean-Marie Balestre of fixing the result to allow Prost to win.

 

The 1990 Japanese Grand Prix was just as controversial as Senna on pole said he wanted to be on the cleaner side of the track, but this was rejected by Balestre and so Prost, on the cleaner side, took the lead at the start. Senna dived down the inside of Prost and intentionally took him out at the first corner, one of the most dangerous acts in F1 history, but it won him the championship. Senna also won the 1991 championship at Suzuka. In 2000, the championship was decided again at Suzuka as Schumacher won from Hakkinen to become the first Ferrari champion in 21 years.

 

The best Japanese Grand Prix came in 2005 as Kimi Raikkonen came from 17th on the grid after a wet qualifying to win after passing Giancarlo Fisichella for the lead at the end of the race, while Alonso claimed a podium from 16th after passing Michael Schumacher around the outside at 130R. Sebastian Vettel’s title hopes appeared to fully evaporate at Suzuka in both 2017, where he had a mechanical failure, and in 2018 when he spun, witht Hamilton the beneficiary in both cases. Suzuka has been absent from the calendar in the last two seasons due to the pandemic but returns in 2022.

 

Interlagos

 

The sixth and final classic track on the current calendar is Interlagos in Sao Paulo, a great track for exciting racing and the scene of perhaps the most exciting Grand Prix of all time in 2008. Of all the tracks on the current calendar, Interlagos is probably most likely to produce an exciting race in any individual season, and to many, including myself, is the rightful place for the season finale. It is also very prone to wet races. The track joined the calendar in 1973 and ran until 1980, but was then dropped from the calendar. Interlagos returned in 1990 on a shorter circuit, and has since only been missed off the calendar once, in 2020 due to the pandemic.

 

The track begins with a very short run to the first corner, known as the Senna Esses. The cars then run down the Reta Oposto to the left-hander at Subida do Lago, then Ferradura and a hard brake at Laranja. Next is the twisty section through Pinheirinho, Cotovelo, Mergulho and Juncao, before the run back to the start finish line. It is one of the shortest circuits on the calendar and is a 71-lap race.

 

The first race at Interlagos was in 1973 and won by Emerson Fittipaldi. Carlos Pace won in 1975 after a surprise pole for Jean-Pierre Jarier, and it is he who gave the track the name, ‘Autodromo José Carlos Pace.’ The longer track disappeared in 1980 but F1 returned on the shorter layout in 1990, and for a long time Interlagos was one of the first races on the calendar. One classic race came in 2003 in the wet, where the race was stopped early after major crashes for Webber and Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen was declared the winner, but a week later it was decided that the wrong lap had been counted back to and the winner should in fact be Giancarlo Fisichella of Jordan, one of the greatest underdog victories of all time.

 

From 2004, the race became one of the last of the season, and in 2006 Alonso won the championship as Michael Schumacher drove from the back to fourth in what was, at the time, his final race before retirement. The following year, gearbox problems for Lewis Hamilton prevented him from becoming the first rookie champion and, after teammate Massa ceded the lead, it was Kimi Raikkonen who won the championship by a mere one point over both McLaren drivers.

 

The 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix was one of the most exciting races of all time as Hamilton needed fifth to claim the championship and having looked comfortable in fourth all race, he dropped behind Glock when making a late stop for intermediates and then made a mistake on lap 69 of 71 to allow Vettel through and drop Hamilton down to sixth. Felipe Massa crossed the line to win and his team and family believed he had won the championship, but Hamilton passed Glock, struggling on slicks, at the final corner to win the championship. Both teams were celebrating in the pitlane before the heart-breaking moment that Massa’s family realised he had now won the championship.

 

In 2009, Jenson Button secured the championship for Brawn, while Nico Hulkenberg claimed a shock pole position for Williams in 2010. The 2012 race was another great title decider as Vettel was hit at the first corner by Bruno Senna, causing huge damage and appearing to eliminate him from the race, but he fought back through the pack to finish sixth and just edge out Alonso, who was second, for the championship. In 2018, Max Verstappen lost victory after contact while lapping Esteban Ocon, but claimed that victory in 2019 after the Ferraris took each other out and Hamilton hit Albon, giving podium finishes to Pierre Gasly and Carlos Sainz. Then in 2021, Lewis Hamilton put in one of the greatest drives of all time as, from the back of the grid in the sprint after being disqualified from qualifying, he fought through to fifth place in the short race, was relegated back to tenth by an engine penalty and then fought through again to win.

 

Nurburgring

 

There are two tracks at the Nurburgring. Although the short circuit used in 1984-85 and then between 1995-2013 and 2020 is a good track, it is the original Nordschleife edition of the Nurburgring which I have considered to be a classic circuit. At almost 23km, laps originally took almost ten minutes, and it is the longest track in Formula 1 history (apart from Pescara, Italy, which was only used in 1957). However, the Nurburgring rightly had to be axed from the calendar after 1976 on safety grounds after Niki Lauda’s near-fatal accident in 1976, and Onofre Marimon and Peter Collins had both been killed there in the past. Despite this, it is still a classic circuit, and forms part of the classic championship in the years before Interlagos and Suzuka.

 

The greatest race at the Nurburgring was in 1957, as Juan Manuel Fangio pulled out a 30 second lead in the first ten laps, then had a botched pitstop and dropped 50 seconds behind Mike Hawthorn and Peter Collins, before reeling them in, setting multiple lap records, and claiming victory at the end in the greatest F1 drive of all time. It was his final victory in Formula 1. Another sensational drive at the Nurburgring came in 1968 as Jackie Stewart won by over four minutes in the wet despite a broken wrist.

 

 


Edited by F1Frog, 08 July 2022 - 11:39.


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#2 ARTGP

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 19:55

Nurburging GP circuit is by far the worst for F1 cars. 


Edited by ARTGP, 03 May 2022 - 19:55.


#3 Ivanhoe

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 20:02

Close call between Suzuka and Spa for me, voted Suzuka,



#4 cpbell

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 20:14

None of the above - my vote would go to either Clermont-Ferrand or Pescara.  Of those on your list, it has to be the Nordschleife, though the old Spa and Monza come close.



#5 LittleChris

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 20:29

None of the above - my vote would go to either Clermont-Ferrand or Pescara.  Of those on your list, it has to be the Nordschleife, though the old Spa and Monza come close.

 

Same for me, assuming we're just talking of tracks which held World Championship counting F1 races as opposed to F1 races I'd also add Rouen Les Essarts, Bremgarten,Montjuich Park, Monsanto Park & Osterreichring.  Those listed above would have to be the original versions as we seem to have lost many of the greatest corners when those circuits have been revised / neutered eg Burnenville, Stowe, Vialone, Curvas 1 & 2 at Interlagos 



#6 cpbell

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 20:59

Same for me, assuming we're just talking of tracks which held World Championship counting F1 races as opposed to F1 races I'd also add Rouen Les Essarts, Bremgarten,Montjuich Park, Monsanto Park & Osterreichring.  Those listed above would have to be the original versions as we seem to have lost many of the greatest corners when those circuits have been revised / neutered eg Burnenville, Stowe, Vialone, Curvas 1 & 2 at Interlagos 

I'm not that familiar with the Monsanto circuit.   I think that was where Jack Brabham was taken-out by the backmarker in 1959?



#7 Risil

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 21:07

Targa Florio!

#8 HeadFirst

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 21:07

Mosport, former home of the Canadian GP, is a purpose-built race course a couple of hours NE of Toronto. Extremely challenging, it was a fav of the drivers at the time.



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 21:33

Close call between Suzuka and Spa for me, voted Suzuka,

 

Agreed.

Voted Suzuka as well, but with the "old" 130R.



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 21:37

Of the choices, I would vote for Suzuka as it provides a driving challenge as well as often very good racing.  As other have noted, many "classic" circuits have been brutalized over the years, although Spa and Interlagos are still very fine circuits, even if their "original" versions were even more spectacular.  I think that what makes these tracks better than the modern ones is that they impose consequences on the drivers for major errors or inappropriate behaviour.  It's a little bloodthirsty, but I think that edge does matter.



#11 PayasYouRace

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 21:42

Is a vote for Spa a vote for the old track or the current one?



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Posted 03 May 2022 - 21:43

No matter. Someone has to give Brands Hatch a mention, so it'll be me. One of my all time favourite circuits.



#13 cpbell

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 21:56

Mosport, former home of the Canadian GP, is a purpose-built race course a couple of hours NE of Toronto. Extremely challenging, it was a fav of the drivers at the time.

And Mont Tremblant.



#14 LucaP

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 22:16

Pedralbes

#15 Frank Tuesday

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 22:25

Best in their current form? Best in any of the previous incarnations? Best for modern cars? Best for cars of another era? Any track that has held any Grand Prix race (including pre-1949 Grand Prix racing and non-championship F1)? Because I would give different answers under different criteria.

#16 Astandahl

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 22:42

Spa and Suzuka easily.



#17 LittleChris

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 22:50

I'm not that familiar with the Monsanto circuit. I think that was where Jack Brabham was taken-out by the backmarker in 1959?


Mario Cabral I think

#18 noikeee

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 22:59

Depends. Are we hosting a race with modern F1 cars or what. Or even any F1 cars at all.

 

Because I'm not gonna choose the Nordschleiffe if so - I'll go for Spa or even Suzuka. But if it's a tintop then Nords all the way.



#19 tifosi

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Posted 03 May 2022 - 23:12

Imola, before the castration.



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#20 Frank Tuesday

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 00:40

Imola, before the castration.


Which castration? '73? '74? '80? '95?

#21 Peeko

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 02:22

No matter. Someone has to give Brands Hatch a mention, so it'll be me. One of my all time favourite circuits.

I was watching an old F1 race at Brands and my 86 year old dad who has never followed F1 was with me and remarked, "I like this track. Where is it?"


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#22 John B

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 03:07

Osterreichring was a favorite of mine during the 1980s, when the schedule had many good tracks. Of the current ones listed Spa over Suzuka.

#23 HeadFirst

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 03:30

No matter. Someone has to give Brands Hatch a mention, so it'll be me. One of my all time favourite circuits.

 

I remember Brands from GPs long ago, and a 2 wheeled challenge between Britain and the USA.  A great circuit, and that bike series, Sheene vs Roberts, was some of the best racing ever. :clap:



#24 loki

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 04:18

Miami International Autodrome…



#25 LolaB0860

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 04:51

Mosport, former home of the Canadian GP, is a purpose-built race course a couple of hours NE of Toronto. Extremely challenging, it was a fav of the drivers at the time.


Mosport was great until they littered it with seas of asphalt runoff a decade ago.

#26 JG

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 06:40

Monaco Grand Prix is the only track that I consider must-stay-on-calendar. Defining F1.

#27 azza200

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 06:44

hate to say it but Spa has become so generic over the years 



#28 Frood

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 06:46

Of the current classics - the one I'd like to drive the most is Suzuka.

The best "racing" track is probably Interlagos (with Silverstone second). Unfortunately Spa and Suzuka don't really produce good Grands Prix any more.

#29 TheFish

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 06:59

I love Spa, think Suzuka is a bit overrated and wish Monaco would disappear from the calendar.

 

I also love how unique Monza is and Interlagos usually provides better races than most.



#30 d246

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 07:08

Suzuka or Spa but went for Monza for nostalgic reasons. Interlagos and Silverstone produce better races and Monaco is a spectacle.

 

Agree with the comment above about the Osterreichring in the '80s.



#31 Alan Lewis

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 07:30

With the sad passing yesterday of Tony Brooks, it occurs to me that the six venues at which he won World Championship Grands Prix form a pretty good group of candidates: Aintree, Spa-Francorchamps, Nurburgring, Monza, Reims-Gueux and AVUS.

Only really Aintree out of that list that one might have to work at justifying. Some might query AVUS, but it had its challenges.

#32 messy

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 07:31

Of those on your list, easily the Nordschleife - but it's also the one that's not on the contemporary calendar so I feel a bit mixed voting for it. It's absolutely not an F1 track and hasn't been for half a lifetime. 

 

Suzuka is my favourite of the others, I think. It would have been Silverstone pre-2009 but they ruined the flow of it. 



#33 aray

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 07:46

Spa for me, even after they butchered the first corner with runoff .



#34 BRK

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 07:51

Tough one. Spa and Suzuka are fantastic to drive, while Interlagos makes for great racing. Monaco (still) has the glitz and glamour, Nurburgring and Silverstone have history, and Monza is Monza, unrivalled in its atmosphere. 

 

I'm going with Interlagos purely for the racing. 



#35 Beri

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 08:12

There is only one answer; Monaco
The track itself has hosted races way before F1 was introduced, it has hosted a Grand Prix every season (bar 2020 due to some pandemic), it has not changed the layout much and it is the crown jewel to our sport.

Is it the best track to race at? By no means! But that wasn't the question. So Monaco can only be the one correct answer to this poll.

#36 KavB

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 09:20

Suzuka is the most fun to drive but Interlargos is the best for racing.

 

I also prefer the old circuit for Silverstone.



#37 Claudius

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 09:51

Of the current tracks I think Spa is the best.

But I voted for Nordschleife, there isn't another track like that. Fast, banked corners, dangerous, demanding, epic.


Edited by Claudius, 04 May 2022 - 09:52.


#38 Sterzo

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 10:22

Great idea for a thread, but I must criticize your poll, not least because someone always does. It should really be in two parts, one for currently-used circuits, and a second for former venues.

 

I voted Nurburgring because you have to if it's on the list. I'm lucky enough to have spectated there and at Clermont-Ferrand and Spa in the seventies, while Brands Hatch is my second home.

 

Neither Monaco nor Monza would top the list, but having both is a must because they are such a contrast to each other. Silverstone I regard as a classic old botch-up of an aerodrome, a soulless place. However the current layout is great, a much better racing circuit than it ever was. So, good F1 track? Yes. Classic venue? No.

 

I agree with your inclusion of Suzuka, even if it's younger than the others. And to pick a nit, the first Belgian GP at Spa was in 1925 and was, like the 1950 event you quote, won by an Alfa Romeo, but driven by Ascari's Dad..


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#39 mcjohnson

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 10:35

I'm amazed anyone has voted for Monaco.  I loved the accompanying descriptions, but the comment that 'you must run millimeters from the wall for two hours' at Monaco conflicts with the [correct] observation that it is so difficult to overtake.  The reality is that you have to run close to the barriers for 3 good laps, on a Saturday.  On Sunday you can run a meter from the barriers and it is so difficult to overtake that it really doesn't matter.  Monaco really does only survive because of it's history

 

I voted for Monza, but it was a toss-up between there and Spa...


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#40 JimmyClark

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 10:35

Spa in its current form - no way. The challenge is completely different to even only 20 years ago, and is sadly now a car park in many respects. 

 

So my vote goes to Suzuka. 



#41 William Hunt

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 11:49

The Nordschleife has'nt been used by F1 cars since 1976 so doesn't really belong in this poll. Silverstone neither because it changed so much over the years. A track like Montréal, in F1 since 1978 (that's 44 years ago), does. 



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Posted 04 May 2022 - 11:51

The Nordschleife has'nt been used by F1 cars since 1976 so doesn't really belong in this poll. Silverstone neither because it changed so much over the years. A track like Montréal, in F1 since 1978 (that's 44 years ago), does.


The OP hasn’t specified an upper limit on how long ago a track was used. It’s their poll so please respect that.

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 11:55

Spa

Monaco is just a home race for F1's wallet

#44 LittleChris

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 12:33

Have there been any overtakes at Monaco since the introduction of the Piscine section in 1973 ? :p  Prior to that at least it was possible to overtake into the Gasworks Hairpin



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Posted 04 May 2022 - 14:10

I feel like Circuit Gilles Villeneuve should be a classic track. It’s been around long enough. 44 years this year, been the site of many classic races, it is pretty much the same layout as 44 years ago, (they did alter it a few time and moved the start finish line) although I feel like it was an even more challenging circuit before they took out the casino kink. It’s lined up with walls, a mistake is paid in full there usually. But, I might be biased since I grew up right beside that track and it’s were my love for the sport started, not even from seeing the cars, first it was the sound. The sound of those cars from my house.

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 15:07

Having seen photos of Spa on instagram today before the WEC race this weekend, then it's a definite no from me. It was 'ruined' years ago with the removal of the 'Bus Stop' and the miles of Tarmac run off, this is just completing the job.



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Posted 04 May 2022 - 15:23

I'll wait how the recent Spa-fixings work out, they have reïntroduced gravel traps in some places. 

 

Monza had Parabolica nerfed with the run off. I hate it when they remove challenges like this from tracks.



#48 William Hunt

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 15:34

The OP hasn’t specified an upper limit on how long ago a track was used. It’s their poll so please respect that.

 

thanks for correcting me, point taken ;)
you can delete my remark if you want to (and this reply as well)


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#49 IrvTheSwerve

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 15:45

Spa in its current form - no way. The challenge is completely different to even only 20 years ago, and is sadly now a car park in many respects. 

 

So my vote goes to Suzuka. 

Yep.

 

I voted Spa just because it is still the race that I look forward to the most in terms of ‘classic’ circuits, plus I have many good memories of travelling over there from the UK for a GP. I’ve been to Silverstone countless times but I never quite get the excitement that I get walking through the forests of Spa.

 

In terms of a driving challenge it has changed quite a lot since the introduction of asphalt run-off (coincided around about the time that they axed the ‘proper’ bus-stop from memory and has gotten worse ever since).

 

I also agree that in terms of a circuit feeling like a ‘classic’ circuit to watch, Suzuka is one of the best if not the best. Granted there is new run-off here or there but it doesn’t feel as castrated when watching on TV.



#50 boomn

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Posted 04 May 2022 - 17:12

There is only one answer; Monaco
The track itself has hosted races way before F1 was introduced, it has hosted a Grand Prix every season (bar 2020 due to some pandemic), it has not changed the layout much and it is the crown jewel to our sport.

Is it the best track to race at? By no means! But that wasn't the question. So Monaco can only be the one correct answer to this poll.

I think Monaco is very different than it’s early decades, and it’s the track I most wish could be rewound back to thr earlier version!

The first time I used a racing sim to try the original, pre-1972 Monaco I was blown away. The wider track from not having modern barriers and fences encroaching in on the racing surface was very noticeable in room for wheel to wheel racing. Also, the Port chicane that was more of a high speed kink, wider Tabac from less barriers and no swimming pool chicanes made for a bottom half of the circuit that wad surprisingly fast and full-throttle! There appears to have been more overtaking opportunities into Tabac or Gazometre too.