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#1 FLB

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:28

Mercedes apparently have de Vries on stand-by:

 

https://racer.com/20...es-jewelry-ban/

 

He seems like he's decided his career will die on this hill, if necessary.


Edited by FLB, 06 May 2022 - 17:28.


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#2 RA2

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:28

Most valid reason by FIA; “In the case that medical imaging is required to inform diagnosis following an accident the presence of jewellery on the body can cause significant complication and delay."

#3 yolo

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:31

Mercedes apparently have de Vries on stand-by:

https://racer.com/20...es-jewelry-ban/

He seems like he's decided his career will die on this hill, if necessary.


I don’t think he cares, and he’s clearly got nothing to lose this season. And that’s before we get into his lack of faith towards the FIA

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:36

Mercedes apparently have de Vries on stand-by:
 
https://racer.com/20...es-jewelry-ban/
 
He seems like he's decided his career will die on this hill, if necessary.

 
I'm sure it's not the most practical thing to remove and re...attach(?) the one he "can't really explain where is", nor the nose ring he can't remove (‽‽). I honestly just think Hamilton is still fed up after 2021 and it doesn't take much to push him away.
 

Most valid reason by FIA; “In the case that medical imaging is required to inform diagnosis following an accident the presence of jewellery on the body can cause significant complication and delay."

Then again, the argument that he has had MRI's with at least one of them in, so that shouldn't be a problem is valid as well.

 

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There's no doubt that everything related to safety should, and must be followed. So as long as it can present an issue, FIA is doing the right thing.



#5 BoDarvelle

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:36

Hopefully F1 parks him. The rules apply to all 20 drivers, not just 19.



#6 PayasYouRace

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:38

Mercedes apparently have de Vries on stand-by:

 

https://racer.com/20...es-jewelry-ban/

 

He seems like he's decided his career will die on this hill, if necessary.

Of all the ways to end a Formula 1 career. I’d be very sorry to see Lewis leave F1 over something so trivial.



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:39

Hopefully F1 parks him. The rules apply to all 20 drivers, not just 19.


Except the rule weirdly allows rings (which some drivers wear) but not piercings or earrings. Feels very much like targeting specific individuals, which Seb alluded to during his press conference.

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:40

 
There's no doubt that everything related to safety should, and must be followed. So as long as it can present an issue, FIA is doing the right thing.

That "safety first" view doesn't seem to be much present in posters in the porpoising thread :stoned:



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:41

Most valid reason by FIA; “In the case that medical imaging is required to inform diagnosis following an accident the presence of jewellery on the body can cause significant complication and delay."

We discussed plenty of other valid reasons when the rule was announced.



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:41

Of all the ways to end a Formula 1 career. I’d be very sorry to see Lewis leave F1 over something so trivial.

He’ll be fine just keep his helmet on all weekend!



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:42

That "safety first" view doesn't seem to be much present in posters in the porpoising thread :stoned:

Don’t generalise. There are plenty who understand the safety concerns in both cases.



#12 FLB

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:45

Of all the ways to end a Formula 1 career. I’d be very sorry to see Lewis leave F1 over something so trivial.

So would I, but it's obviously not trivial to him.


Edited by FLB, 06 May 2022 - 17:46.


#13 ARTGP

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:53

Except the rule weirdly allows rings (which some drivers wear) but not piercings or earrings. Feels very much like targeting specific individuals, which Seb alluded to during his press conference.

 

If we are being technical, the rule shouldn't allow rings either.

 

Although I suppose maybe the FIA can ask drivers who insist on wearing jewelry to sign a waiver or something that you accept whatever complications may arise by ignoring the ban.  Regardless of whether Lewis is the only one wearing it, it's still for his own safety. I don't really understand the problem. 


Edited by ARTGP, 06 May 2022 - 17:59.


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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:56

Lewis is doing himself no favours in why people dislike him



#15 jjcale

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:58

Is it a safety issue for anyone other than the driver making the choice to have piercings?

 

 

IMHO SLH should take the hint and announce his retirement.... 

 

Last season they did everything they could to cheat him even to the point where it became blatant ... now this .... they dont want him around anymore. 



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:58

If we are being technical, the rule shouldn't allow rings either.

 

To be clear, none of this matters to me as I'm not impacted by it but if drivers  want to take safety seriously, this is probably something where it's just wiser to avoid the jewelry because quite frankly you don't want it to become an issue in the case of medical intervention. Jewelry can prevent you or delay you from getting an MRI or CT scan which are some of the first scans the doctors want in case of a head injury. Simple as that really.  

 

Although I suppose maybe the FIA can ask drivers who insist on wearing jewelry to sign a waiver or something that you accept whatever complications may arise by ignoring the ban.  Regardless of whether Lewis is the only one wearing it, it's still for his own safety. I don't really understand the problem. 

Hamilton has offered to sign such a waiver.



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 17:59

Lewis is doing himself no favours in why people dislike him

 

He cannot do anything about the reason why most of the people who intensely dislike him do so....



#18 MJB5990

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:00

I can't imagine the FIA persisting with this. Especially over something so trivial to the outside world.

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:05

Wouldn't they same apply to the helmet or the fire suit? Just sign a waiver...

No need for belts, sign a waiver I heard it's safer to be thrown out...

Sign a waiver to forego the crash structures to save weight

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#20 PayasYouRace

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:05

Is it a safety issue for anyone other than the driver making the choice to have piercings?

 

 

IMHO SLH should take the hint and announce his retirement.... 

 

Last season they did everything they could to cheat him even to the point where it became blatant ... now this .... they dont want him around anymore. 

 

No different to singling out the driver who makes a choice not to wear a crash helmet or do up his safety belts.



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:06

The key difference in this case though is that the rules surrounding the helmet, fire suits, belts and crash structures have been consistently enforced up to now. I guess the question then is, if jewellery is such a safety hazard, why has it not been enforced up to this point, and why are rings not included?



#22 ARTGP

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:07

Wouldn't they same apply to the helmet or the fire suit? Just sign a waiver...

No need for belts, sign a waiver I heard it's safer to be thrown out...

Sign a waiver to forego the crash structures to save weight

 

I was just going to type this lol. It does set a bit of a silly precedent.

 

We don't want to see any ill consequences of a drivers decisions, even if they don't impact us directly. 



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:07

The key difference in this case though is that the rules surrounding the helmet, fire suits, belts and crash structures have been consistently enforced up to now. I guess the question then is, if jewellery is such a safety hazard, why has it not been enforced up to this point, and why are rings not included?

 

They were all enforced for the first time once.



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:07

At some point you need to start enforcing it otherwise you never can

#25 jjcale

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:07

No different to singling out the driver who makes a choice not to wear a crash helmet or do up his safety belts.

 

after 14 years of failing to enforce ....



#26 ARTGP

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:08

The key difference in this case though is that the rules surrounding the helmet, fire suits, belts and crash structures have been consistently enforced up to now. I guess the question then is, if jewellery is such a safety hazard, why has it not been enforced up to this point, and why are rings not included?

 

F1 regulation is a bit like putting out houses on fire. You put out the biggest fires first. 



#27 Muppetmad

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:09

They were all enforced for the first time once.

Assuredly, but that doesn't answer either part of my question.



#28 jjcale

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:09

The key difference in this case though is that the rules surrounding the helmet, fire suits, belts and crash structures have been consistently enforced up to now. I guess the question then is, if jewellery is such a safety hazard, why has it not been enforced up to this point, and why are rings not included?

 

Because the target is not known for wearing rings in the car .... but others who are not the target are.



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:09

after 14 years of failing to enforce ....

 

So it's about time they did.



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:09

after 14 years of failing to enforce ....

 

track limits you mean?  :p   

 

Have to start somewhere. The fact that it's been 14 years shows the FIA are not neccesarily targeting Lewis who has been here for 14+ years. If they had it out for him specifically, they'd have addressed it long ago no? Why let him do it for 14 years already?

 

Seems more like correcting an oversight, than specifically wanting to change one driver. 


Edited by ARTGP, 06 May 2022 - 18:10.


#31 Hellenic tifosi

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:10

As long as this is not a performance differentiator and affects just the drivers in question, why can't they simply sign a document where they acknowledge the risks and race?

 

We aren't talking about survival cells, side impact structures, helmets, overalls or safety belts. This is a relatively minor issue - no need to waste precious time and energy with it.


Edited by Hellenic tifosi, 06 May 2022 - 18:12.


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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:11

Charles drove without belts in Spain one year, I'm sure Lewis can keep his bloody nose ring in.

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:12

As long as this is not a performance differentiator and affects just the drivers in question, why can't they simply sign a document where they acknowledge the risks and race?

 

As just mentioned, would you allow a driver to sign a waiver not to wear a crash helmet, or a fireproof suit, or do up his belts?

 

Might as well not have safety regulations then.



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:12

Charles drove without belts in Spain one year, I'm sure Lewis can keep his bloody nose ring in.

 

Charles was reprimanded for that? Possibly Lewis last year too?


Edited by ARTGP, 06 May 2022 - 18:13.


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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:12

Honestly, I don't really have an opinion on the jewellery side of things, but this is a matter that would have been better resolved through liaising with the drivers and finding a mutually satisfactory solution rather than randomly deciding to start enforcing it.


Edited by Muppetmad, 06 May 2022 - 18:13.


#36 TomNokoe

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:14

LH doing himself no favours (again)



#37 IrvTheSwerve

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:14

Oof, Hamilton has been asking for a Miami GP for years, imagine he doesn’t conform to the safety rules and is withheld from racing.

 

It would be fairly big news in the US, his name would be everywhere. 
 

Maybe that’s what he wants.

 

 ;) 



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:14

Charles drove without belts in Spain one year, I'm sure Lewis can keep his bloody nose ring in.


That was the same track where Quartararo's leathers came off and he raced around bare-chested, wasn't it? Another thing that was a lot more frightening than jewelry.

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:15

Honestly, I don't really have an opinion on the jewellery side of things, but this is a matter that would have been better resolved through liaising with the drivers and finding a mutually satisfactory solution rather than randomly deciding to start enforcing it.


Tbf they've been talking about it for weeks. I don't think there is a mutually satisfactory solution! The FIA thinks you shouldn't wear jewelry, Hamilton thinks you should.

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:16

Oof, Hamilton has been asking for a Miami GP for years, imagine he doesn’t conform to the safety rules and is withheld from racing.

 

It would be fairly big news in the US, his name would be everywhere. 
 

Maybe that’s what he wants.

 

 ;) 

 

Netflix would be rubbing their hands in glee.



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:16

Lewis is doing himself no favours in why people dislike him


I don’t think he cares🤷🏾‍♂️

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:16

Seriously though, it’s not a debate at all really is it?  :lol: 
 

Take off your jewellery Lewis or you ain’t getting in the car.

 

These rules aren’t negotiable.  :stoned:

 

And that goes for every single driver in motorsport. Don’t adhere to the sport’s safety rules, don’t get on the track.

 

It’s as simple as that.



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:17

Honestly, I don't really have an opinion on the jewellery side of things, but this is a matter that would have been better resolved through liaising with the drivers and finding a mutually satisfactory solution rather than randomly deciding to start enforcing it.

 

Except its not random ....



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:17

Netflix would be rubbing their hands in glee.

Did they take their rings off first? Could be a safety hazard. 



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:18

after 14 years of failing to enforce ....


New race directors that actually do enforce rules the way they are written. A wet dream for Toto after a certain race last year. But now his star driver is reluctant to obey to those rules. How the tables can turn.

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:18

Honestly, I don't really have an opinion on the jewellery side of things, but this is a matter that would have been better resolved through liaising with the drivers and finding a mutually satisfactory solution rather than randomly deciding to start enforcing it.

 


Wasn't there a 2 race heads up?

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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:19

Tbf they've been talking about it for weeks. I don't think there is a mutually satisfactory solution! The FIA [suddenly] thinks you shouldn't wear jewelry, Hamilton thinks you should.

 

Should have returned the FIA president's calls instead of making him look like a muppet ....



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:19

Wasn't there a 2 race heads up?

I seem to remember it being brought up at Australia, so it's not a surprise.



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:19

The key difference in this case though is that the rules surrounding the helmet, fire suits, belts and crash structures have been consistently enforced up to now. I guess the question then is, if jewellery is such a safety hazard, why has it not been enforced up to this point, and why are rings not included?

They're not? Wouldn't a ring be a greater safety hazard than Lewis' nose stud?



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 18:19

Merc have now submitted whatever they were initially supposed to, suggesting Lewis has agreed?