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#1101 southernstars

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Posted 04 March 2023 - 01:36

Again, this isn't what's happening. The rules are being applied equally to all drivers. You just don't like the rule.

An even better analogy would be that there's a rule against going above 60km/h for years, but for some reason the cops didn't enforce it. They suddenly decide to enforce the rule equally for all drivers on the road. One driver doesn't like it and has a hissy fit, and all his fans turn themselves in knots to try justify breaking a rule.

The end.

 

Actually, better analogy than that was that the rule was you could only go 50, but the cops allowed 60 for years, and even allowed the neighborhood's cars to be modified so that they physically could not go below 60. Then, after some rightful criticism has upset them, they decide to crack down on 50, without allowance for the cars that were modified under their discretion.

 

But in this case, the rule is nonsensical. A wedding ring is not magically immune from causing harm, and it's easy to see it's more likely to cause an injury than a nose stud in race conditions.

 

If a rule is badly written and nonsensically applied, it should be challenged. Anyone who knows me knows I'm about the furthest thing from a Hamilton fan there is. But in this case, I believe he's in the right.

 

Tonight we go out for FP3. Magnussen, Hulkenberg, and Perez will all be wearing rings. Hamilton will be wearing a nose stud. Somehow, only Hamilton is the one wearing jewellery, according to the FIA. There is absolutely no way that makes sense.



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#1102 PitViperRacing

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Posted 04 March 2023 - 01:39

Actually, better analogy than that was that the rule was you could only go 50, but the cops allowed 60 for years, and even allowed the neighborhood's cars to be modified so that they physically could not go below 60. Then, after some rightful criticism has upset them, they decide to crack down on 50, without allowance for the cars that were modified under their discretion.

But in this case, the rule is nonsensical. A wedding ring is not magically immune from causing harm, and it's easy to see it's more likely to cause an injury than a nose stud in race conditions.

If a rule is badly written and nonsensically applied, it should be challenged. Anyone who knows me knows I'm about the furthest thing from a Hamilton fan there is. But in this case, I believe he's in the right.

Tonight we go out for FP3. Magnussen, Hulkenberg, and Perez will all be wearing rings. Hamilton will be wearing a nose stud. Somehow, only Hamilton is the one wearing jewellery, according to the FIA. There is absolutely no way that makes sense.


I've already said that I don't personally like the rule, but that doesn't mean that people should simply be allowed to ignore it.

If you want to dislike the rule, fill your boots and lobby to get it changed. Until it is changed however, there is no excuse for it being ignored, same as for any other rules the FIA has.

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Posted 04 March 2023 - 01:40

Please show me an example of where that's happening with the FIA? The jewellery rule is being applied equally, you just think the rule is unfair.

This analogy is awful.

Is a wedding ring a jewel or not?

 

Double standard towards whom? All drivers are judged the same way.

There is no double standard towards objects

Sigh you know what I mean.



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Posted 04 March 2023 - 01:41

wedding rings dont pierce skin!

They certainly can in a crash.



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Posted 04 March 2023 - 01:43

I've already said that I don't personally like the rule, but that doesn't mean that people should simply be allowed to ignore it.

If you want to dislike the rule, fill your boots and lobby to get it changed. Until it is changed however, there is no excuse for it being ignored, same as for any other rules the FIA has.

Hamilton is lobbying to get it changed at least to point out how farcical it is.



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Posted 04 March 2023 - 01:46

Hamilton is lobbying to get it changed at least to point out how farcical it is.


It isn't farcical. It's a simple black and white rule. Whilst Hamilton clearly is on a voyage to make it grey.

The only problem is Hamilton not receiving any proper penalty to simply shut down this insubordination once and for all.

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Posted 04 March 2023 - 01:47

I've already said that I don't personally like the rule, but that doesn't mean that people should simply be allowed to ignore it.

If you want to dislike the rule, fill your boots and lobby to get it changed. Until it is changed however, there is no excuse for it being ignored, same as for any other rules the FIA has.

 

So Hamilton should have to jeopardise his own health because the FIA suddenly decided to crack down on a rule that they had never previously enforced or raised concerns with?



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Posted 04 March 2023 - 01:48

Is a wedding ring a jewel or not?

Sigh you know what I mean.


Yes I'm acutely aware you don't like/don't agree with the rule. That's your prerogative.

But again, not liking the rule doesn't mean you should be allowed to ignore it. Should teams be able to ignore technical regulations introduced mid-season because they ignore them? No they shouldn't.

Again, they are free to lobby get the rule changed (and personally I hope they do, I think the rule is silly). But until that happens, follow the rules. This isn't complicated.

#1109 Bliman

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Posted 04 March 2023 - 01:48

It isn't farcical. It's a simple black and white rule. Whilst Hamilton clearly is on a voyage to make it grey.

The only problem is Hamilton not receiving any proper penalty to simply shut down this insubordination once and for all.

I have said what I think about the matter. I am just repeating myself. I am going back to what really matters and that is the racing.



#1110 southernstars

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Posted 04 March 2023 - 01:48

It isn't farcical. It's a simple black and white rule. Whilst Hamilton clearly is on a voyage to make it grey.

The only problem is Hamilton not receiving any proper penalty to simply shut down this insubordination once and for all.

 

"insubordination"...the use of that word makes me shudder.

 

F1 regulations are written by the insubordination of the drivers.

 

I strongly recommend reading Professor Sid Watkins' books. The amount of "insubordination" will give you palpitations.



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Posted 04 March 2023 - 01:50

So Hamilton should have to jeopardise his own health because the FIA suddenly decided to crack down on a rule that they had never previously enforced or raised concerns with?


Your needless hyperbole aside, in one word? Yes.

Also if I remember correctly, these rules were in play when he joined the sport. So he knowingly undertook actions that went against the rules. It's not like they were brought in after he had gotten the piercings?

Kind of hard to complain eh?

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Posted 04 March 2023 - 02:25

Your needless hyperbole aside, in one word? Yes.

Also if I remember correctly, these rules were in play when he joined the sport. So he knowingly undertook actions that went against the rules. It's not like they were brought in after he had gotten the piercings?

Kind of hard to complain eh?

 

Yes, the rule was in place. It was not enforced. At no point was he ever referred to the stewards for it prior to last year or warned about it. It would be fair for him and any other driver to assume that it was a legacy rule that was simply ignored.

 

As for you referring to the health complaint as "hyperbole", both his own doctors and the FIA medical professionals appear to disagree with you.



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Posted 04 March 2023 - 03:06

Or other jewels.

 

What other jewelry which are not allowed are some drivers wearing?



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Posted 04 March 2023 - 03:08

All I read post after post that a rule is a rule. Also are you saying that I am not calm and composed?

 

You are not reading the posts in full then.

 

And yes.



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Posted 04 March 2023 - 03:13

Actually, better analogy than that was that the rule was you could only go 50, but the cops allowed 60 for years, and even allowed the neighborhood's cars to be modified so that they physically could not go below 60. Then, after some rightful criticism has upset them, they decide to crack down on 50, without allowance for the cars that were modified under their discretion.

 

But in this case, the rule is nonsensical. A wedding ring is not magically immune from causing harm, and it's easy to see it's more likely to cause an injury than a nose stud in race conditions.

 

If a rule is badly written and nonsensically applied, it should be challenged. Anyone who knows me knows I'm about the furthest thing from a Hamilton fan there is. But in this case, I believe he's in the right.

 

Tonight we go out for FP3. Magnussen, Hulkenberg, and Perez will all be wearing rings. Hamilton will be wearing a nose stud. Somehow, only Hamilton is the one wearing jewellery, according to the FIA. There is absolutely no way that makes sense.

 

No somehow Hamilton is the only one wearing a piece of jewelry the rules state he can not wear, if he chose to wear a ring he will be more than welcome according to the FIA.

 

You know simply follow the rules.


Edited by KWSN - DSM, 04 March 2023 - 03:17.


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Posted 04 March 2023 - 03:15

Is a wedding ring a jewel or not?

 

Sigh you know what I mean.

 

It is, and it is allowed, I am talking about the jewelry which is not implicitly allowed, like nose studs, those you either remove, or get a medical excemption for at each race, if there is a race where the driver can not get one, then that driver can not race that weekend.



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Posted 04 March 2023 - 03:16

So Hamilton should have to jeopardise his own health because the FIA suddenly decided to crack down on a rule that they had never previously enforced or raised concerns with?

 

No Hamilton should follow the rules, why is that hard to understand?



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Posted 04 March 2023 - 03:59

No Hamilton should follow the rules, why is that hard to understand?

 

Why is it so difficult for you to understand that a) the rule is wrong and b) following the rule is injurious to Hamilton's health, therefore a medical exemption is warranted?



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Posted 04 March 2023 - 07:02

b) following the rule is injurious to Hamilton's health

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#1120 southernstars

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Posted 04 March 2023 - 07:49

lol

 

Well, both Hamilton's doctor and the FIA medical crew disagree with you.



#1121 Timorous

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Posted 04 March 2023 - 09:11

If the FIA are so concerned about driver safety and really feel that jewellery should not be present in the car at all why are they letting Stroll drive with his injuries at the moment?



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Posted 04 March 2023 - 09:46

If the FIA are so concerned about driver safety and really feel that jewellery should not be present in the car at all why are they letting Stroll drive with his injuries at the moment?


Stroll is using jewellery as some sort of wrist support / strapping?

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Posted 04 March 2023 - 10:04

Stroll is using jewellery as some sort of wrist support / strapping?


He has pins in one wrist at the moment afaik. Point is if the argument is based around safety then allowing stroll to at the moment simply blows it out of the water.

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Posted 04 March 2023 - 10:09

He has pins in one wrist at the moment afaik. Point is if the argument is based around safety then allowing stroll to at the moment simply blows it out of the water.

 

Safety is the underlying reason....  but the problem for the FIA is that they decided to have a crackdown, and then have a few exemptions, such as rings and nose studs.  And then in the case of Lance, you have a driver being allowed to race that looks to be struggling to hold the steering wheel, and also to extricate himself from the car without assistance. 



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Posted 06 March 2023 - 16:17

Are you kidding me? A ring is easily removed? Also whatabout before you are in the hospital with burning or swelling of the fingers? I also thought there are piercings and studs that are safe for MRI.

For me there should be no jewellery.

 

I'm with you, absolutely no jewellery should be allowed. No difference between wood, silver or gold. Just no rings, piercings or whats so ever. 

In an emergency this is all extra worries for a doctor. Also dealing in the MRI, echo or another scanning system this can cause errors. 



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Posted 06 March 2023 - 16:24

Hamilton is lobbying to get it changed at least to point out how farcical it is.

 

The rule is not farcical. It is a meaningful rule, why are people putting their own twist in this rule, just because it is about their favorite driver?

 

When in a serious accident, you don't want a doctor look into your body and try to located your tongue pierce left or finding your prince Albert before entering the MRI scanner.

I'm with you guys that there should no difference between rings and piercings, but it is a joke that FIA is still giving some drivers a platform to express their thoughts. It is just dumb, plain dumb safety hazard.

 

They can wear it before and after stepping into/out of the car, but while in the car, no body attributes  :stoned: .