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#1 Ben1445

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Posted 13 May 2022 - 12:08

13e Grand Prix De Monaco Historique 
13th -15th May 2022
 
Found these streams for the next two days of action in Monaco 
 

 


Categories fro the 2022 EventEntry Lists 

 

Series A1 - Loius Chiron (Pre-war Grand Prix cars and Voiturettes)
Series A2 - Juan Manual Fangio (Front-engined Grand Prix cars built before 1961)
Series B - Graham Hill (Rear-engined 1500cc F1 Grand Prix cars from 1961 to 1965 and F2)
Series C - Vittorio Marzotto (Front-engine Sport Racing cars from 1952 to 1957)
Series D – Jackie Stewart - (3000cc F1 Grand Prix cars from 1966 to 1972)
Race E – Niki Lauda - (3000cc F1 Grand Prix cars from 1973 to 1976)
Race F – Gilles Villeneuve - (3000cc F1 Grand Prix cars from 1977 to 1980)
Race G – Ayrton Senna - (3000cc F1 Grand Prix cars from 1981 to 1985) *NEW*


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#2 thegamer23

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Posted 13 May 2022 - 12:21

Busy weekend with Monaco Historique, Formula E, MotoGP



#3 FLB

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Posted 13 May 2022 - 12:25

Busy weekend with Monaco Historique, Formula E, MotoGP

And IndyCar (Indianapolis Grand-Prix) , ELMS at Imola and IMSA at Mid-Ohio...



#4 ANF

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Posted 13 May 2022 - 13:06

No Adrian Newey this year. Are they that busy before Barcelona?



#5 BRG

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Posted 13 May 2022 - 15:03

But I see that Ken Tyrrell is driving.  



#6 Dan333SP

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Posted 13 May 2022 - 15:04

Aww Jean Alesi won't be driving one of the Ferraris this year. Shame, that bit with him leading Werner was one of the highlights of the 2021 race season. 

 

We're lucky so many cars were Cosworth powered between 1970-1983. They are the backbone of historic GP racing and probably the only reason there are so many entries each year is because those engines can so easily be rebuilt/replaced. Don't see a lot of V12s/Flat 12s/Turbos from that era competing in historic events, and engine maintenance/replacement costs is probably the largest factor there. 


Edited by Dan333SP, 13 May 2022 - 15:08.


#7 cpbell

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Posted 13 May 2022 - 17:10

But I see that Ken Tyrrell is driving.  

Almost amazing coincidence that there is an American motorsport enthusiast who was known to the team in period, is wealthy enough to own old F1 cars, and competent enough to be allowed onto a track driving one during a race who is actually called Ken Tyrrell. :cool:



#8 Disgrace

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Posted 13 May 2022 - 17:40

Nominative determinism in action.



#9 Dan333SP

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Posted 13 May 2022 - 18:42

Almost amazing coincidence that there is an American motorsport enthusiast who was known to the team in period, is wealthy enough to own old F1 cars, and competent enough to be allowed onto a track driving one during a race who is actually called Ken Tyrrell. :cool:

 

So the Ken Tyrrell on the entry list isn't a mistake, there is a real person with that name driving a Tyrrell?? I figured it was a placeholder. If that's true, absolutely wild. 



#10 cpbell

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Posted 13 May 2022 - 19:05

So the Ken Tyrrell on the entry list isn't a mistake, there is a real person with that name driving a Tyrrell?? I figured it was a placeholder. If that's true, absolutely wild. 

https://www.autospor...ric-f1/6495941/



#11 Ben1445

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 05:48

Stream for the first day of action going live very soon


Edited by Ben1445, 14 May 2022 - 05:49.


#12 BRG

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 09:22

If we have Tyrrell driving a Tyrrell, do we have any other such cases?  There have been several drivers called Ferrari (discounting Enzo himself of course) but have they ever driven Ferraris?  If Goodwood's Duke of Richmond drove a F1 car, would it have been a March?  



#13 krapmeister

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 09:38

Unfortunately a few bent cars in this 66-72 F1 category :(


Edited by krapmeister, 14 May 2022 - 09:39.


#14 ANF

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 09:46

Where's Bruce Jones? :well:



#15 Izzyeviel

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 10:22

Of course Roberto Moreno is racing a Lola. Of course



#16 Barry Boor

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 10:27

I’m watching a Gulf liveried car going round.  I’m being told it’s a McLaren but if it is, why is it painted in Pesenti-Rossi’s Tyrrell colour scheme?



#17 Barry Boor

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 10:35

Must say, I’m getting fed up with hearing the nonsense being spouted by these commentators.

 

Peterson won at Monaco in 1976? Really?

 

And will somebody tell he man that there is no letter I near the end of the name of the guy who drives the 1512 Ferrari.  It’s Colasacco not Colasaccio.

 

Rant over, for now.



#18 Dan333SP

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 10:35

I’m watching a Gulf liveried car going round. I’m being told it’s a McLaren but if it is, why is it painted in Pesenti-Rossi’s Tyrrell colour scheme?


The Gulf car on track now is a Tyrrell 007

#19 Dan333SP

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 10:36

Aren’t there 2 Ferrari 312s entered in this category? Haven’t seen them on track

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#20 Dan333SP

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 10:44

Also, fun fact- fastest lap at the moment is a 1:29.4 by Stuart Hall in a ‘73 Mclaren M23. Pole that year at Monaco was a 1:27 by Jackie Stewart, Hall’s car qualified 15th with Revson at the wheel at… 1:29.4. Track hasn’t changed much since ‘73 so these are comparable times… some of these guys are definitely pushing. I wonder how the historic Avons compare to the period tires?

#21 Barry Boor

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 10:48

I think the track is appreciably quicker now.

 

it may not appear to have changed much but the entrance to the swimming pool section is much quicker and the entry to Rascasse used to be quite a tight left followed by a real 180 degree hairpin.

 

Nevertheless, these times are pretty impressive. 



#22 Ben1445

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 10:49

Also, fun fact- fastest lap at the moment is a 1:29.4 by Stuart Hall in a ‘73 Mclaren M23. Pole that year at Monaco was a 1:27 by Jackie Stewart, Hall’s car qualified 15th with Revson at the wheel at… 1:29.4. Track hasn’t changed much since ‘73 so these are comparable times… some of these guys are definitely pushing. I wonder how the historic Avons compare to the period tires?

I would contend that point a little, since the 1973 layout had the considerably faster St Devote, Chicane du Port and Anthony Noghes configurations. Arguably the Swimming Pool section and La Rascasse was a little tighter then than today but I'm not convinced it's by enough to outweigh the other three. 

 

Which, if accurate, would actually only back up the idea that some of these drivers are pushing... 

 

(Which is obviously up for debate as Barry's post above demonstrates!) 


Edited by Ben1445, 14 May 2022 - 10:51.


#23 Dan333SP

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 10:54

Oooooh Matra footage… my ears are very pleased

#24 cpbell

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Posted 14 May 2022 - 12:53

 

 

Peterson won at Monaco in 1976? Really?

I thought for a moment I was unaware of one of his wins, then realised I wasn't.



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Posted 14 May 2022 - 18:27

Must say, I’m getting fed up with hearing the nonsense being spouted by these commentators.

 

Yes I was puzzled by that being a McLaren, I don't even know why I was expecting Pesenti-Rossi's name being mentioned and a few words spoken about him. Off topic but I would love for him to be invited to an event where his old car runs, I have only ever seen one relatively recent photo of him.  

 

What I was even more puzzled about was the same commentator talking about an 1975 Tyrrell, listing the drivers who drove it in period and trying to pronounce Jabouille's name quite sheepishly, having obviously never heard of him before. 



#26 Barry Boor

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Posted Yesterday, 06:51

Nice to see Lorenzo’s Ferrari win at Monaco but I had to watch without sound.

 

But I’m wondering…. maybe Joe Colasacco’s surname IS pronounced Colasaccio. Surely it must be because the commentator read the results and presumably was looking straight at the name and still added the io at the end.

 

So it must be me that’s wrong.



#27 Barry Boor

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Posted Yesterday, 08:07

So sad to hear that the Scarab never raced.

 

This just gets worse and worse.



#28 statman

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Posted Yesterday, 09:08

some pics from SM:

 

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and WTF1 spotted a driver during the coverage:

 

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#29 krapmeister

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Posted Yesterday, 09:55

Verstappen staying on brand by drinking Red Bull while watching the historics. I wonder if it is actually Red Bull in the can? Or been substituted for something else less awful...

#30 Cliff

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Posted Yesterday, 11:33

Charles binned it  :eek:



#31 Cliff

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Posted Yesterday, 11:35

https://twitter.com/...5802496/photo/1



#32 krapmeister

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Posted Yesterday, 11:38

Charles getting his Monaco wall hit out of the way early this year :p

#33 Cliff

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Posted Yesterday, 11:40

Better now than in 2 weeks I guess.

#34 Casey

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Posted Yesterday, 11:40

Oh my , nice shunt from Charles on his favorite track  :lol:



#35 Astandahl

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Posted Yesterday, 13:06

Thankfully he lost the brakes into rascasse and not somewhere else in the track. Crashing with that car is dangerous.



#36 jstrains

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Posted Yesterday, 14:28

It was not his fault?

#37 Astandahl

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Posted Yesterday, 14:39

It was not his fault?

The brakes failed.



#38 Clatter

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Posted Yesterday, 14:52

The brakes failed.

 


I'm doubtful of that though. If the brakes have failed then the sensible thing would be to get out of the car there, and then. Instead he drives the car out of the barriers, he could have turned off into the pits, but instead carries on along the main straight. The only reason he eventually stopped was because the broken wing was rubbing on the tyre.

#39 ARTGP

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Posted Yesterday, 15:05

This is water off a duck's back. Charles is untouchable at Ferrari lol.



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#40 ARTGP

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Posted Yesterday, 15:06

I'm doubtful of that though. If the brakes have failed then the sensible thing would be to get out of the car there, and then. Instead he drives the car out of the barriers, he could have turned off into the pits, but instead carries on along the main straight. The only reason he eventually stopped was because the broken wing was rubbing on the tyre.

 

If there were independent circuits (front and rear), he could have retained some stopping power. 



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Posted Yesterday, 15:13

If there were independent circuits (front and rear), he could have retained some stopping power. 

 


I just don't think there is anything sensible about crashing a car, claiming brake failure, and then continuing to drive. Although I've not actually seen anything that states he actually has claimed the brakes failed, the report I've seen interpreted his hand signals to mean that. Either way it was a stupid thing to do. There was nothing at stake, and continuing was only putting an historic car at more risk of damage.

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Posted Yesterday, 15:15

Leclerc has mentioned "losing the brakes" on his social media.

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I just don't think there is anything sensible about crashing a car, claiming brake failure, and then continuing to drive. Although I've not actually seen anything that states he actually has claimed the brakes failed, the report I've seen interpreted his hand signals to mean that. Either way it was a stupid thing to do. There was nothing at stake, and continuing was only putting an historic car at more risk of damage.

 

I agree that it's a bit of a weird one. The rear wing was gone. Brakes probably gone at the back. He should have turned into the pits which was right there. No clue why he continued. Maybe adrenaline? Priceless Ferrari after all. 


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I'm doubtful of that though. If the brakes have failed then the sensible thing would be to get out of the car there, and then. Instead he drives the car out of the barriers, he could have turned off into the pits, but instead carries on along the main straight. The only reason he eventually stopped was because the broken wing was rubbing on the tyre.


I am doubtful too but because of another reason. He lost it after he turned it in. That would mean that if the brakes failed, he would have spun towards the camera (so halfway the turn). If he tried to break and turn at the same time, why turn this sharply? Or did he notice that the brakes failed and therefore he tried to turn into the corner quickly? The way I see it: he just came in too hot and turned too quickly.

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Posted Yesterday, 16:36

I am doubtful too but because of another reason. He lost it after he turned it in. That would mean that if the brakes failed, he would have spun towards the camera (so halfway the turn). If he tried to break and turn at the same time, why turn this sharply? Or did he notice that the brakes failed and therefore he tried to turn into the corner quickly? The way I see it: he just came in too hot and turned too quickly.

So you are saying that Leclerc, a guy who has never walked away from any mistakes he has made and even when on pole position didn't hide a bad lap or luck, is lying ?



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Posted Yesterday, 16:40

Pardon my ignorance, having not visited Monaco and therefore mostly having seen the track from a few defined and largely fixed perspectives, where is Max standing?  My guess was exit of the first swimming pool chicane.



#47 Barry Boor

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Posted Yesterday, 16:41

Behind the pits not far down the start finish straight.



#48 Autodromo

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Posted Yesterday, 16:45

Behind the pits not far down the start finish straight.

Ah yes, I see that now.  Thanks!



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Posted Yesterday, 17:00

Looked like he failed to slow the car. Three pedals so maybe he left foot braked the clutch... More likely he's telling the truth. He's usually hard on him self and honest about mistakes.



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I agree that it's a bit of a weird one. The rear wing was gone. Brakes probably gone at the back. He should have turned into the pits which was right there. No clue why he continued. Maybe adrenaline? Priceless Ferrari after all. 

It was the last lap of the demo run and the plan was to stop the car in the straight and wait for Jacky Ickx