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What was the greatest drive in an individual race in F1 history?


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Poll: The greatest individual drive in F1 history (111 member(s) have cast votes)

1950-1971

  1. Jose Froilan Gonzalez - 1951 British GP (2 votes [1.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.80%

  2. Alberto Ascari - 1951 German GP (1 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  3. Juan Manuel Fangio - 1955 Argentine GP (3 votes [2.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

  4. Juan Manuel Fangio - 1957 French GP (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Juan Manuel Fangio - 1957 German GP (29 votes [26.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.13%

  6. Stirling Moss - 1957 Pescara GP (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Stirling Moss - 1958 Argentine GP (1 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  8. Jack Brabham - 1959 United States GP (1 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  9. Graham Hill - 1960 British GP (1 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  10. Stirling Moss - 1961 Monaco GP (3 votes [2.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

  11. Stirling Moss - 1961 German GP (1 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  12. Graham Hill - 1962 German GP (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  13. Jim Clark - 1963 Belgian GP (13 votes [11.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.71%

  14. Jim Clark - 1965 British GP (6 votes [5.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.41%

  15. Dan Gurney - 1967 Belgian GP (1 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  16. Jim Clark - 1967 Italian GP (9 votes [8.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.11%

  17. Jackie Stewart - 1968 German GP (20 votes [18.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.02%

  18. Jochen Rindt - 1970 Monaco GP (4 votes [3.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.60%

  19. Jacky Ickx - 1971 Dutch GP (3 votes [2.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

  20. Other (13 votes [11.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.71%

1972-1993

  1. Jean-Pierre Beltoise - 1972 Monaco GP (5 votes [4.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.50%

  2. Chris Amon - 1972 French GP (1 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  3. Jackie Stewart - 1973 Italian GP (1 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  4. James Hunt - 1975 Dutch GP (1 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  5. Niki Lauda - 1976 Italian GP (10 votes [9.01%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.01%

  6. Gilles Villeneuve - 1979 French GP (5 votes [4.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.50%

  7. Gilles Villeneuve - 1981 Spanish GP (13 votes [11.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.71%

  8. Alain Prost - 1982 South African GP (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. Nelson Piquet - 1982 Brazilian GP (3 votes [2.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

  10. Keke Rosberg - 1983 Monaco GP (3 votes [2.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

  11. Ayrton Senna - 1985 Portuguese GP (7 votes [6.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.31%

  12. Alain Prost - 1986 San Marino GP (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  13. Nigel Mansell - 1987 British GP (11 votes [9.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.91%

  14. Alain Prost - 1987 Japanese GP (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  15. Ayrton Senna - 1988 Japanese GP (4 votes [3.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.60%

  16. Jean Alesi - 1990 United States GP (3 votes [2.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

  17. Alain Prost - 1990 Mexican GP (4 votes [3.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.60%

  18. Ayrton Senna - 1991 Brazilian GP (3 votes [2.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

  19. Ayrton Senna - 1993 European GP (33 votes [29.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.73%

  20. Other (4 votes [3.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.60%

1994-2023

  1. Michael Schumacher - 1994 Spanish GP (5 votes [4.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.50%

  2. Damon Hill - 1994 Japanese GP (4 votes [3.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.60%

  3. Michael Schumacher - 1996 Spanish GP (23 votes [20.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.72%

  4. Olivier Panis - 1996 Monaco GP (1 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  5. Damon Hill - 1997 Hungarian GP (9 votes [8.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.11%

  6. Michael Schumacher - 1998 Hungarian GP (5 votes [4.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.50%

  7. Giancarlo Fisichella - 2003 Brazilian GP (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Michael Schumacher - 2004 French GP (5 votes [4.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.50%

  9. Lewis Hamilton - 2008 British GP (16 votes [14.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.41%

  10. Sebastian Vettel - 2008 Italian GP (6 votes [5.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.41%

  11. Giancarlo Fisichella - 2009 Belgian GP (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  12. Jenson Button - 2011 Canadian GP (15 votes [13.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.51%

  13. Fernando Alonso - 2012 Malaysian GP (7 votes [6.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.31%

  14. Nico Rosberg - 2014 Canadian GP (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  15. Max Verstappen - 2016 Brazilian GP (4 votes [3.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.60%

  16. Daniel Ricciardo - 2018 Monaco GP (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  17. Sergio Perez - 2020 Sakhir GP (1 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  18. Lewis Hamilton - 2021 Brazilian GP (5 votes [4.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.50%

  19. Max Verstappen - 2022 Belgian GP (1 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  20. Other (4 votes [3.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.60%

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#301 Touchdown

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Posted 19 September 2023 - 16:36

So when was Fangio at his peak? Many would say 1957, although you seemed to be suggesting somewhat earlier than that, by which you must mean the 1949/51 timeframe which I can see as valid - hence my comment both were similar distances away from their peak. I was playing devil's advocate in Fangio's favour on that point.

Pure age arguments are hopeless because Fangio only really came to world prominence in 1949 (age 38), whilst Moss' frontline career ended age 32. But I wouldn't try to argue that to fairly compare the two we should therefore ignore everything Fangio achieved after age 32 (which would be virtually everything). It's just that different drivers have different career arcs, that's all. Nuvolari is another one, almost all of his great drives were in his late 30s or 40s, having primarily done motorcycle racing for most of the 1920s.

Completely agree with you here to be honest - but if I was going to take a stab at it I would presume that Fangio would have lost a touch of speed (quite a lot probably), but would have seen it all before, while Moss would have been very close to his peak pure speed wise but without Fangio's experience, by the time they were up against each other at the highest level.

 

Sadly Fangio's best years were very likely wasted by the war, which makes the fact he held the record for most WDCs for over 40 years absolutely astonishing.



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#302 Collombin

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Posted 19 September 2023 - 16:45

Moss would have been very close to his peak pure speed wise but without Fangio's experience, by the time they were up against each other at the highest level.

Sadly Fangio's best years were very likely wasted by the war, which makes the fact he held the record for most WDCs for over 40 years absolutely astonishing.


Yes there's no doubt Fangio was better than Moss in 1955 (in F1 anyway), I think the gap became less obvious over time though and Moss certainly didn't hit his peak until after Fangio's retirement.

Fully agree with last paragraph, and certainly none of this is meant to be a criticism of Fangio in any way who is clearly one of the absolute best there's ever been.

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Posted 19 September 2023 - 16:51

Yes there's no doubt Fangio was better than Moss in 1955 (in F1 anyway), I think the gap became less obvious over time though and Moss certainly didn't hit his peak until after Fangio's retirement.

Fully agree with last paragraph, and certainly none of this is meant to be a criticism of Fangio in any way who is clearly one of the absolute best there's ever been.

And likewise with myself and Moss! Sadly it's very likely that we never even saw the very best of both drivers.