Seems they didnt copy the the most important part well, the floor.
Updated Aston Martin's resemblance to RB18 [split]
#201
Posted 21 May 2022 - 17:16
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#202
Posted 21 May 2022 - 17:18
They had a lot more success copying the W10. That one was quick out of the box.
The question now is did they blow their entire budget on this b-spec?
Edited by ARTGP, 21 May 2022 - 17:19.
#203
Posted 21 May 2022 - 19:04
Stroll's team is like China... knock-off's but worse quality
#204
Posted 21 May 2022 - 19:06
The FIA seems happy that Aston have been developing this for months, and at least the bib looks fairly different to me. I'm leaning towards convergence over copying personally.
#205
Posted 21 May 2022 - 19:19
If it is distracting the Red Bull boys from their real priorities, then it is all good for me! Forza Stroll!
#206
Posted 21 May 2022 - 20:00
If what AM say is true and this was a car designed in the middle of last year, surely the first thought they'd have had when the real RB broke cover was "That's our car!".
#207
Posted 21 May 2022 - 20:02
Top of the Floor. That’s a different story . Identical
#208
Posted 21 May 2022 - 20:25
They had a lot more success copying the W10. That one was quick out of the box.
The question now is did they blow their entire budget on this b-spec?
well, they had more data to copy that car
#209
Posted 21 May 2022 - 20:33
If what AM say is true and this was a car designed in the middle of last year, surely the first thought they'd have had when the real RB broke cover was "That's our car!".
Why would they have developed that, yet started the year with another car? Come on... ridiculous.
#210
Posted 21 May 2022 - 20:33
If it is distracting the Red Bull boys from their real priorities, then it is all good for me! Forza Stroll!
You wish.
#211
Posted 21 May 2022 - 20:40
#212
Posted 21 May 2022 - 20:54
Can't be good for the Aston Martin brand.
First the Mercedes situation and now this. I understand the Strollsters are in dire need of some success, but come on man...
I don't think anyone who thinks about buying an Aston Martin road car cares about their allegedly copied 2020 or 2022 F1 cars.
#213
Posted 21 May 2022 - 23:59
I don't think anyone who thinks about buying an Aston Martin road car cares about their allegedly copied 2020 or 2022 F1 cars.
This is like saying: I don't think anybody buying an Aston Martin road car buys it because they compete in F1. After all people were buying Aston Martin cars way before they entered F1, right? Undeniable logic.
However, they are clearly here for publicity and marketing reasons. They would like to make the brand more elite, known etc. which will eventually lead to a 10% / 20% / 30% increase in sales.
If they make a bad impression in F1 either due to bad performance or bad sportsmanship or maybe both, then they most probably won't get their 10% / 20% / 30% increase in sales they were hoping for. They might just get 5% or none, or even negative.
Simple as that.
#214
Posted 22 May 2022 - 00:19
You need to get out of your F1 bubble. As long as Aston's drivers don't pose with trophies, it's totally irrelevant if they run around in the midfield in a car they undoubtedly designed themselves or not. Those guys who consider buying an Aston Martin road car, don't browse motorsports websites, nor do the guys they want to impress. They might know, Aston Martin is in F1, but that's about it. None outside the F1 bubble cares about supposedly copied car designs. Simple as that.
#215
Posted 22 May 2022 - 00:29
You need to get out of your F1 bubble. As long as Aston's drivers don't pose with trophies, it's totally irrelevant if they run around in the midfield in a car they undoubtedly designed themselves or not. Those guys who consider buying an Aston Martin road car, don't browse motorsports websites, nor do the guys they want to impress. They might know, Aston Martin is in F1, but that's about it. None outside the F1 bubble cares about supposedly copied car designs. Simple as that.
This is partly true. However, I think you are talking about the total audience who buys Aston, but I'm referring to only the the extra 10% - 20% who buys Aston because they are in F1.
Also if something big is happening, then it gets to the wider audience. If for example Aston were proven as cheaters, then it would break through to wider audience. People don't know much about emissions, but everybody knows that VW cheated with it.
You are basically saying that as long as you are in F1 you get the same publicity, regardless on what and how you do. This is clearly not true, ask any half-decent marketing expert.
Ferrari got an insane boost in the 2000s through F1, while Toyota not so much.
#216
Posted 22 May 2022 - 01:04
Why would they have developed that, yet started the year with another car? Come on... ridiculous.
Could be that they had two competing designs, and the RB-style design didn't do as well in their sims, so they went with option 2. They show up for the first test of the year, and Red Bull shows up with a design that vaguely resembles their option 1. Option 2 doesn't do so well, and Red Bull seems a lot faster, so they ask themselves: what did we get wrong with option 1, when Red Bull seems to be using the same concept but going so much better? Take a few photos of the Red Bull, tweak their option 1 design, and voila: option 1 now does better in their simulations (and hopefully on the track).
or...
Mr. Stroll thought option #2 was more handsome (I'll admit, their car was stunning), so he overrode the engineers and forced through that design. They show up at the open tests, and start mumbling to the press "Y'know we've got a better design than the one we showed up with. You'll see that car in a couple of months." Interviewer: "If you thought this design wasn't as good as the other one, why did you bring this design." Engineer: "Ummm...ask the boss."
Edited by MattPete, 22 May 2022 - 01:06.
#217
Posted 22 May 2022 - 02:55
OR...
They made a 100 different iterations on a more basic level of major design philosophies and shoved them into a drawer. When the more dominant design philosophy eventually appears during the first races, they can just pick out from the drawer the one that resembles it the most and say "hey, we worked with this design also back in November".
This is at least what I would have done.
Edited by Dolph, 22 May 2022 - 02:55.
#218
Posted 22 May 2022 - 07:13
At least we know now that if you add Red Bull to Peroni it may leave a bitter taste.
#219
Posted 22 May 2022 - 10:51
This is partly true. However, I think you are talking about the total audience who buys Aston, but I'm referring to only the the extra 10% - 20% who buys Aston because they are in F1.
Also if something big is happening, then it gets to the wider audience. If for example Aston were proven as cheaters, then it would break through to wider audience. People don't know much about emissions, but everybody knows that VW cheated with it.
You are basically saying that as long as you are in F1 you get the same publicity, regardless on what and how you do. This is clearly not true, ask any half-decent marketing expert.
Ferrari got an insane boost in the 2000s through F1, while Toyota not so much.
Ye, I'm refering to the total customer base of Aston Martin.
And yes, I think it's true - unless you can produce pictures with silverware (or you produce a colossal fckup. Found guilty of large scale cheating might be such thing). However, there's a different if your name is Toyota, Renault or Ferrari, Aston Martin. The fame baseline - for lack of a better description - of the latter is way higher. No matter how they do in F1 (well, almost), they're considered to be in the prime segment.
Anyway, I'm afraid we get way of topic here
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#220
Posted 22 May 2022 - 12:03
At least we know now that if you add Red Bull to Peroni it may leave a bitter taste.
#221
Posted 22 May 2022 - 12:59
Why would they have developed that, yet started the year with another car? Come on... ridiculous.
Given that these cars were intended to come in for 2021, the teams would have done the initial design/development work on them in 2020. When the change was postponed till 2022 then I would suggest that the teams would have used 2021 to look at further designs rather than have the designers sitting idle.
Having chosen one design to implement for 2022 that unfortunately did not appear to be competitive - I guess when Fellowes joined in April 2022 he may well have looked at the other designs and decided to go with one that resembled the one he had been involved in at RB.
#222
Posted 22 May 2022 - 15:01
According to the FIA, Aston Martin already had this design available to them in November last year. So if they could already see the Red Bull car then, then obviously there was foul play...
Or Red Bull copied the Aston... 😁