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Who do you think is going to win the race?

  1. Leclerc (107 votes [48.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 48.64%

  2. Sainz (6 votes [2.73%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.73%

  3. Verstappen (39 votes [17.73%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 17.73%

  4. Perez (7 votes [3.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.18%

  5. Hamilton (13 votes [5.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.91%

  6. Russell (8 votes [3.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.64%

  7. Bottas (8 votes [3.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.64%

  8. Zhou (1 votes [0.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.45%

  9. Alonso (5 votes [2.27%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.27%

  10. Ocon (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  11. Norris (8 votes [3.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.64%

  12. Ricciardo (1 votes [0.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.45%

  13. Gasly (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  14. Tsunoda (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  15. Magnussen (7 votes [3.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.18%

  16. Schumacher (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  17. Albon (1 votes [0.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.45%

  18. Latifi (6 votes [2.73%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.73%

  19. Vettel (2 votes [0.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.91%

  20. Stroll (1 votes [0.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.45%

Just for fun, who do you want to win?

  1. Leclerc (104 votes [47.27%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.27%

  2. Someone other than Leclerc (116 votes [52.73%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 52.73%

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#1 SophieB

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 20:48

Its the Monaco GP of 2022! 

 

 
It's here, and Charles Leclerc has some unfinished business. Fresh from the most unpromising of build ups, though through no apparent fault of his own, our Monegasque has crashed a classic Ferrari race car and then seen the current day one cark it from the lead of the last race. It is a reminder of last year’s Monaco race when his car expired after setting pole but before the race could start. So he’s back. And this time - it’s personal. 
What else? Well, I’m personally all about Ferrari this week but there’s loads going on. The mighty Red Bull bandwagon rolls on, albeit with odd niggles here and there. Mercedes look like they might have fixed their car’s enduring Zebedee impressions and the Bottas renaissance continues apace. 
 
So anyway, we’re back in Monte Carlo and the most exciting qualifying session of the year (probably) is less than a week away. The circuit makes unique demands of car and driver, tempting all to push that car through its narrow, winding streets that just bit closer to the barrier every time. Who will push it too far? At least we know when it happens, the Monaco marshals are going to be there and they are amazing. All our marshals are heroes, giving up their time for free so the whole thing can happen but the Monaco marshals take things to a crazy level in terms of their focussed, practiced speedy track clearing. I think it was Autosport’s Pablo Elizalde who said they can have the car back to the pits in minutes, fully valeted and with one of those little Christmas tree air fresheners hanging from the halo. More seriously, they have the whole track covered by recovery cranes and it’s stunning work.
 
I’m aware I’m kind of putting off getting to the race bit. Sigh. Monaco is generally…not enjoyable in the sense that other F1 races are traditionally enjoyable? In fact, it inevitably generates threads about why oh why are we still racing here. To which I’d say a) you make your own fun and b) there’s so much more than the actual racing on the Sunday. No other race will ever be allowed to race cars around such an unforgiving track again, so why not try and make the most of it. And it gives us time to look at the signage and street furniture, which is often mysterious and exotic. 
 
But Monaco isn’t ALWAYS dull. And when action happens here, it REALLY happens. I put this one together a couple of years ago but it  is by no means exhaustive! Add your own!
 
 

Monaco's greatest hits

  • Ascari crashing into the harbour. As a kid I was always vaguely concerned this might one day somehow happen. Didn't know then it wasn't just a theoretical possibility.
  • 1982 and the race finish described by James Hunt thus: "Well, we've got this ridiculous situation where we're all sitting by the start-finish line waiting for a winner to come past, and we don't seem to be getting one!" Patrese blinked first and took the race win that seemingly no-one wanted. As a reminder, this was super boring for 98% of the running time…
  • The 1992 duel between Senna and Mansell.
  • Keke Rosberg winning in 1983 with horrifyingly blistered hands.
  • Ayrton Senna and Stefan Bellof having storming  debuts in 1984 in the wet.
  • Ayrton Senna and his mystical experiences during the 1988 qualifying and more prosaic ones during the race the next day, crashing from the lead.
  • Ayrton flying here in 1990.
  • Only three (three!) cars finishing the race in 1996
  • Michael Schumacher being found guilty deliberately crashing in his qualifying to bring out yellow flags and therefore stopping Alonso beating his time.
  • ​Fernando Alonso threatening to lie down before the cars at the race start like Arthur Dent protesting a bypass if the above wasn't punished. 
  • Nico Rosberg later being found not guilty of doing the same thing to Lewis Hamilton in 2014.
  • Kimi breaking the heart of Adrian Sutil by crashing him out of a podium place in 2008.
  • More positively from Michael, this was the scene of his last pole position winning time in 2012 even if a grid penalty meant he didn't get to keep it. Also this from 1996. A thing of wonder from one of the true greats.
  • Hamilton crashing in 2008 and somehow winning
  • Hamilton crashing about three times in 2011 and blowing up the world in his answer about why the stewards kept penalising him.
  • Many more things I've forgotten. Why not add more in the thread?

 

The track

 
Monaco is not usually run at that fast a pace and doesn't need to be because overtaking is so hard. (Expect to hear a lot of people smugly saying how track position is king next weekend. Also about bikes ridden around living rooms.) This means you are going to have lots of time to check out the scenery. Pleasingly, just about every bit of the track is named. You can also follow it on google maps!
 
I don’t know what the tyres situation is! I will add it later
 
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Ditto the timetable, but be aware that they’ve dropped the Thursday practice day and it’s the standard FRI, SAT, SUN now.
 
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British times below, Local time one hour later:
 
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edit:

 

WEEKEND WEATHER OUTLOOK A generally fine weekend with a mixture of sunshine and cloud cover, and highs of 24–26°C. There could be a risk of showers on Saturday night or Sunday, however, the details are uncertain at this lead time. http://meteomotorsport.com/f1 #F1 #F2 | #MonacoGP
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#2 P123

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 20:50

Waiting patiently to see Montoya's 2002 pole lap.....  



#3 Cliff

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 20:57

It.Might.Rain.

#4 basimi

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:06

It.Might.Rain.


Wait. What? Don’t jinx it.

#5 ARTGP

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:07

Will anybody learn to go out in Q3 first? Or will it be the usual clown show and a red flag during the flyers?



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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:11

Rain followed by 300 safety cars, preferably nobody from Q3 finishing, and an Alonso victory, please!

 

Maybe I should lower my standards?



#7 Risil

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:14

Yay, Monaco! The first Monaco Grand Prix I watched on telly was 1996, which has been a high bar for the rest of Monaco, F1 and indeed life to clear.

#8 Risil

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:19

Other memories: The time Martini (the drinks company, not Pierluigi) put a photo of a pretty lady on their big sponsor poster between Loews and Portier and several drivers made mistakes and blamed her for putting them off. What year was that?



#9 Risil

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:21

An incident observed by the very observant DSJ in his report from the race's 1961 edition:
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#10 Afterburner

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:24

Yay, Monaco! The first Monaco Grand Prix I watched on telly was 1996, which has been a high bar for the rest of Monaco, F1 and indeed life to clear.

The first F1 race I watched was Monaco in 2003, a bar which life has quite easily exceeded!

#11 Heyli

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:27

I guess LeClerc already got his Monaco bad fortune/performance out of the way early this year? 



#12 SophieB

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:28

I guess LeClerc already got his Monaco bad fortune/performance out of the way early this year? 

Let’s hope so! 



#13 FLB

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:32

Yay, Monaco! The first Monaco Grand Prix I watched on telly was 1996, which has been a high bar for the rest of Monaco, F1 and indeed life to clear.

I remember 1981 for Gilles Villeneuve winning. This song is somehow associated with my memory of hearing on the radio that he'd won:

 



#14 Alfisti

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:33

Ferrari 1-2 and mclaren bear stone motherless.

#15 Risil

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:39

Like me you are probably aware that the original Monaco Grand Prix, held in 1929, was won by William Grover-Williams on a Bugatti, as they used to say. What I only recently learned while reading about the race was that his main opponent that day, who swapped positions with him several times, was Rudolf Caracciola in a 7.1-litre supercharged Mercedes-Benz SSK sports car with mudguards, spare tyre and running board removed. I can't find any photos of the two of them in shot together but it would've been a mismatch not normally seen outside of club races, let alone international standard motor races. The SSK would've made even today's F1 cars look rapid around the hairpins, although it picked up a lot of speed through the tunnel and past the harbour and I bet it was good going up the hill after Ste-Devote too. Caracciola's chances of victory ended with a pitstop that Mercedes would not equal in crumminess for another 92 years:
 

Caracciola made his refueling stop on lap 51, dumping four large milk cans filled with fuel into the large Mercedes tank. Since the tire thread had been worn away by sliding through the many corners, his mechanic changed the bad right rear wheel when the jack slipped off the tram rail on which the car had come to a stop. The jack could lift up only one side of the car. Then they changed also the left rear wheel and had to jack up the car again. A copper hammer was used to remove and replace the knock-on hubcaps. Unfortunately for Caracciola, the handle of the hammer broke during the pitstop. The entire stop took a valuable 4m30s enabling Williams not only to regain the lead but also put Caracciola a lap and a quarter down.

 

http://www.kolumbus....n/gp2902.htm#10



#16 BoDarvelle

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:41

"Caracciola's chances of victory ended with the worst Mercedes pitstop at Monaco for 92 years"

 

Can't be the worst ever as they actually got the tires off.



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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:46

I think Mercedes have a shot here, but ultimate qualifying ace is still their weakness and might temper than chance (plus I think both Mercedes drivers probably concede a tiny bit of outright 1 lap speed to Charles and Max).  So as usual here qualifying should define the race, but if those mercies could as an example line up 2 and 3, I think they could try to play a team game and massively split strategies and go for the win with either driver.  My guess is they will qualify 3 & 4 though and not have the chance

 

Wonder what Bottas can do?  I would love it if he can stick it up on the first 3 rows as he'd likely stay there again.

 

Wouldn't mind seeing some Alonso magic

 

Who knows what instore from the magical mystery McLaren so Norris could be anywhere from P3 - P14

 

Magnussen has to be the other one who could be P5 or P15



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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:48

4 minute 30s? Bottas would have loved that.



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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:50

Please let Leclerc wins this ****ing race :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:



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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:53

Jenson Button's one-race comeback for McLaren in 2017 which ended when he piled Pascal Wehrlein into the wall at Portier:

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 21:59

Waiting patiently to see Montoya's 2002 pole lap.....  

I've got some off-brand F3000 Montoya from 1998's support race:

 



#22 Ellios

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 22:00

oh god Monaco, best thing is the Indy 500 is up next.  :up:



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Posted 23 May 2022 - 22:02

Qualifying should be insane for this!



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Posted 23 May 2022 - 22:07

oh god Monaco, best thing is the Indy 500 is up next.  :up:

 

Indy 500 - I dumped cable and have no access but maybe I will do some sort of 30 day trial with Sling or something.



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Posted 23 May 2022 - 22:11

Jenson Button's one-race comeback for McLaren in 2017 which ended when he piled Pascal Wehrlein into the wall at Portier:

A reminder to all and sundry that Button is yet to serve his three place grid penalty from that race and according to the stewards will remain valid indefinitely.

 

I sincerely hope this fact will be printed in articles about him for the rest of his life.



#26 TheAviator

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 22:13

God build up already, thanks heavens! As Ferrari fan this is only ray of sunshine I got after this type of weekend (and its 30° here these days with plenty of sun)

Edited by TheAviator, 23 May 2022 - 22:18.


#27 LolaB0860

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 22:15

Jenson Button's one-race comeback for McLaren in 2017 which ended when he piled Pascal Wehrlein into the wall at Portier:
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That fake-sea wall, or whatever crypto ads they have on it now, is just horrendous. I loved the old real oceanic view with ships and sunshine. Which year was that corner ruined again?

Edited by LolaB0860, 23 May 2022 - 22:17.


#28 Risil

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 22:17

LOL I thought that was real sea. The folks at Miami have tough competition.

#29 Collombin

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 22:26

They had fake rain in the tunnel a few times - accidentally in 1981, deliberately in 1984.

#30 LolaB0860

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 22:29

LOL I thought that was real sea. The folks at Miami have tough competition.


In a way it's even worse than Miami as there is actual sea behind the fake sea, whereas in Miami the fake marina is hardly a downgrade from parking lot.

 

The old view at 49 seconds here

https://youtu.be/uyI3WBjMVyg


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#31 Frood

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 22:59

Re: Jenson flipping Wehrlein into the wall - doesn't he still have a grid penalty hanging over him for his next start? :p

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 23:03

That fake-sea wall, or whatever crypto ads they have on it now, is just horrendous. I loved the old real oceanic view with ships and sunshine. Which year was that corner ruined again?

2016:
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2017:
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Posted 23 May 2022 - 23:07

All I want are two fringe win candidates to not blink and leave their pit stops for the last lap or so. Bet on ill-timed SCs...



#34 ANF

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 23:19

Like Sophie said, FP1 and FP2 will be run on Friday!
The only track action on Thursday will be F2, Formula Regional and Porsche Supercup practice.



#35 Paa

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Posted 23 May 2022 - 23:23

I watched the race yesterday and now we have a build-up thread again. How nice! I love back to back weekends!



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Posted 23 May 2022 - 23:28

Can't wait for it. Really anxious to see the cars on the narrow track. 
I hope Lewis has a strong result



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Posted 24 May 2022 - 00:31

Indy 500 - I dumped cable and have no access but maybe I will do some sort of 30 day trial with Sling or something.

Fellow cord-cutter here: careful with that, as Sling (and other streaming TV providers) may not carry local NBC in some regions and would leave you helpless for the 500 and like 2/3 of the calendar. If you're in the US, just get Peacock for $5/month–it'll cost you $20 to watch the rest of the IndyCar season, with all races live and on-demand plus commercial-free coverage of practice and qualifying.

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Posted 24 May 2022 - 00:57

I've got some off-brand F3000 Montoya from 1998's support race:

 

Incredible to see an F2-equivalent car that doesn't immediately stall



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Posted 24 May 2022 - 04:02

In a way it's even worse than Miami as there is actual sea behind the fake sea, whereas in Miami the fake marina is hardly a downgrade from parking lot.

The old view at 49 seconds here
https://youtu.be/uyI3WBjMVyg


Isn’t it to hide the reclamation building site? It’s not sea on the other side, or won’t be for much longer at least.

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Posted 24 May 2022 - 04:25

Agree with OP.
Chuck screwed the pooch by crashing that piece of glorious history.

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Posted 24 May 2022 - 06:57

Agree with OP.
Chuck screwed the pooch by crashing that piece of glorious history.

Jp

nooooooooo, Charles is innocent. There was a dramatic photo of the brake disc exploding like a sweetly struck clay pigeon!



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Posted 24 May 2022 - 06:59

No thursday practice??

Disappointing!!  :smoking:



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Posted 24 May 2022 - 07:02

Isn’t it to hide the reclamation building site? It’s not sea on the other side, or won’t be for much longer at least.

Yep, pretty sure it was put there to cover the construction work.



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Posted 24 May 2022 - 07:10

I can’t believe I forgot Bottas and the Eternal Pitstop (who sound like a band playing low down the running order at Glastonbury) in my list of amazing Monaco happenings. Things I vaguely remember from that, or rather the reports afterwards include various wits on twitter asking five hours later if the wheel was off yet ha ha and actually the answer was ‘no’. Plus reports that Ferrari eventually walked over and offered guidance on this problem having anticipated it better and having a contingency plan for it which turned out to be a massive mallet.

 

I found it pleasing that Formula One had something in common with ”the Topsy-turvy world of heavy rock [where] having a good solid piece of wood in your hand is often useful”, as Ian Faith, manager of Spinal Tap once advised. I mean obviously Mercedes said thanks but no thanks and had the whole thing shipped back home and booked it in for an appointment with the angle grinder instead but still.



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Posted 24 May 2022 - 07:19

For me, Monaco also reminds of the 2 times Max crashed while having the fastest car....2016 & 2018.

And also his first Monaco GP driving for Toro Rosso where he followed Rosberg (I think) very closely passing cars with blue flags and Verstappen sneaked past them, until Grosjean got told what he did and shut the door.



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Posted 24 May 2022 - 07:21

Bottas is actually a good shot for a surprise result, he has a 2-2 qualifying record vs Lewis in Monaco.

 

I think the new cars will look pretty clumsy around here, too.



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Posted 24 May 2022 - 07:23

For me, Monaco also reminds of the 2 times Max crashed while having the fastest car....2016 & 2018.

And also his first Monaco GP driving for Toro Rosso where he followed Rosberg (I think) very closely passing cars with blue flags and Verstappen sneaked past them, until Grosjean got told what he did and shut the door.

Is that the same incident where Grosjean crashed into the barrier while the live camera was broadcasting from his car? Man alive that was horrible.



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Posted 24 May 2022 - 07:29

I'm afraid the opening laps next Sunday will look like slow motion. These 2022 boats are SO slow through tight corners. I think a 2004 race behind a safety car will look faster than what we're about to see.

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Posted 24 May 2022 - 07:32



For me, Monaco also reminds of the 2 times Max crashed while having the fastest car....2016 & 2018.

And also his first Monaco GP driving for Toro Rosso where he followed Rosberg (I think) very closely passing cars with blue flags and Verstappen sneaked past them, until Grosjean got told what he did and shut the door.

 

Vettel I think

 



Is that the same incident where Grosjean crashed into the barrier while the live camera was broadcasting from his car? Man alive that was horrible.

I think you refer to Verstappen's crash when he was following Grosjean

 



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Posted 24 May 2022 - 07:35

I'm afraid the opening laps next Sunday will look like slow motion. These 2022 boats are SO slow through tight corners. I think a 2004 race behind a safety car will look faster than what we're about to see.

In the recent years they've spent almost the whole race cruising, if they do that this year it'll look like an F2 race.