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[Dmitriy_Guller]

Don’t see it here but anything’s possible
https://twitter.com/...02hx-vdcsdJEw1g

Jp

The sound 9 seconds in is the sound of the car brushing the wall.

[Rediscoveryx]

Has Palou mentioned anything about his clash with Ericsson apart from the interview he gave during the race? It would be interesting to get his perspective having had time to sleep om the issue.

[BRG]

Spotted in a local Aldi: Limoncello flavored Wensleydale. For that heady mix of the Midwest, old Germania, coastal Italy, and uh, Britain. Yorkshire

I feel slightly sick now. 

[Risil]

English cooking is all about ramming random culinary concepts together and seeing what sticks.

[FLB]

English cooking is all about ramming random culinary concepts together and seeing what sticks.

 

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[juicy sushi]

Has Palou mentioned anything about his clash with Ericsson apart from the interview he gave during the race? It would be interesting to get his perspective having had time to sleep om the issue.

I think he has been given a sit down by CGR and told to not talk about anything until the next race...

[jonpollak]

English cooking is all about ramming random culinary concepts together and seeing what sticks.

At my house I guess I would be considered a Beta Tester.
Jp

[Ross Stonefeld]

More like beta taster.

[jonpollak]

Since I quit smoking there a huge party of flavors in my mouth.
Jp

[Ross Stonefeld]

You should go to Road America next year and we could set you up with a nice sausage party. 

[jonpollak]

Just remember…
12 schnitzel gruuben is my limit.

Jp

[BRG]

Beetroot taster?  What is this?

[juicy sushi]

Just remember…
12 schnitzel gruuben is my limit.

Jp

Joey Hand, in the year he did DTM for BMW, came up with a rating system for schnitzel to cope.

[FLB]

Palou clears the air with Ericsson over Road America collision | RACER

[red stick]

As it should be. I don't think anybody was on Team Pollo for that one.

[jcbc3]

As it should be. I don't think anybody was on Team Pollo for that one.

 

<---- Aye, caramba!

[paulb]

Palou clears the air with Ericsson over Road America collision | RACER

Ericsson contacted Palou, I’m liking the guy more and more. He is a class act.

[Muppetmad]

Drivers say silly things in the heat of the moment. I'm glad Palou has realised this wasn't Ericsson's fault, and I'm glad the team mates are on the same page again.

[Rediscoveryx]

That was a class act from Palou.

[Dolph]

That was a class act from Palou.

 

 

Then again, its what I would have expected from him from the offset, not the vitriol he produced.

 

I continue to be amazed by how the drivers jump out of a car and proceed to lambast the other driver, not even having looked at a replay. Its just stupid. And the same thing happens in sim racing. the reactions are immediate comments along the lines of  "you did that on purpose", "you can't drive". We have now been 30-40 years with good motor racing coverage on TV with replays and online sim racing for a good 20 years, and still people think the best course of action is to jump out and start blaming. 

[BRG]

It's not really anything to be amazed about.  Drivers are (a) full of adrenalin,and (b) can rarely accept that they might have got it wrong.  It happens in other sports too - in pro-cycling recently, a Colombian rider was sent home after thumping a rival in the midst of the peloton over some perceived offence.  And et us not even go near the Beautiful Game where no footballer has ever committed a foul.

[Collombin]

a Colombian rider was sent home after thumping a rival in the midst of the peloton

Sounds painful.

[Dolph]

It's not really anything to be amazed about.  Drivers are (a) full of adrenalin,and (b) can rarely accept that they might have got it wrong.  It happens in other sports too - in pro-cycling recently, a Colombian rider was sent home after thumping a rival in the midst of the peloton over some perceived offence.  And et us not even go near the Beautiful Game where no footballer has ever committed a foul.

 

 

But they know they are full of adrenaline. Its not a free pass.

 

Its like drunk driving. You know its wrong to do it. You excuse can't be "I went drunk driving because I was drunk and therefore my judgment was impaired"

 

In the same vein, drivers have seen other drivers spew nonsense in the heat of the moment that they then are embarrassed about later. Why then repeat the same behavior you know is wrong!?

Edited by Dolph, 16 June 2022 - 16:18.

[Muppetmad]

It's not a free pass, but if drivers come to their senses, apologise, and don't make a habit of it, I don't think we should judge them harshly. If they get to Graham Rahal levels of patronising pontification, then sure, that's a problem.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Palou's outburst was pretty lame/tame. It was passive aggressive subtweeting at best. 

 

Maybe Marcus is thinking about the wider implications of his championship run, and the team harmony within that, by getting in touch with Palou. But if a guy moved over under braking, had incidental context in just the wrong way that took his car out, then moaned about it on TV; I'd not spend any time worrying about it afterwards. I certainly wouldn't "reach out" to make sure Palou is okay. His problem not mine. 

 

Robin Miller was always on about hate is good but so much of this stuff is whiney.

[Risil]

How often in professional sport does dislike or irritation rise to the level of true, sublime hatred? Of another competitor that is. I think the majority just hate losing.

[boomn]

But they know they are full of adrenaline. Its not a free pass.

 

 

The question wasn't about free passes or drivers not having social consequences or more for being hot-headed in the moment.  The question is why they still do it in the heat of the moment even if they'll know better layer, to which "lots of adrenaline" is still the answer. 

 

I want it to be true that we are all composed and self-reflective when in our most competitive moods, but that's not what adrenaline does to the human brain

[Ross Stonefeld]

How often in professional sport does dislike or irritation rise to the level of true, sublime hatred? Of another competitor that is. I think the majority just hate losing.

Motorcycles? Semi-frequently in NASCAR?

[Risil]

I think Max Biaggi may really have hated Rossi. Maybe Jorge Lorenzo too. He hath a daily beauty in his life that makes me ugly, as Iago said.

Dunno about NASCAR, not very familiar with all the personalities but assumed a lot of the trash talk and shoving is for show.

[Jim Thurman]

Oh, there were definitely some cases where rivalries were legitimate. Some intense dislikes, but I don't think many carried over into true hate. I think that's more what Robin Miller was on about, more "rivalry" than true hate.

 

Rivalries were a staple of short track racing on local/regional levels. Sometimes they did get a tad nasty, and promoters certainly built them up and played off of them. Most of it is more along the lines of what Risil wrote, they just hated losing. Sometimes even more so if was to "that guy" 

 

Even though it was a lone, ugly incident, Johncock and Rutherford is the only one that comes readily to mind for top level U.S. single seat history. Rutherford ticked several drivers off during that era, even Dick Simon.

[red stick]

Palou's outburst was pretty lame/tame. It was passive aggressive subtweeting at best. 

 

Maybe Marcus is thinking about the wider implications of his championship run, and the team harmony within that, by getting in touch with Palou. But if a guy moved over under braking, had incidental context in just the wrong way that took his car out, then moaned about it on TV; I'd not spend any time worrying about it afterwards. I certainly wouldn't "reach out" to make sure Palou is okay. His problem not mine. 

 

Robin Miller was always on about hate is good but so much of this stuff is whiney.

Except that they're teammates.  They'll see each other frequently.  I think you have it--better to nip it in the bud than have it potentially play a role in losing a championship that is certainly within CGR's grasp.  After all, neither is Kevin Harvick or Kyle Busch.  And this is not late 80's McLaren.     

Edited by red stick, 16 June 2022 - 17:35.

[red stick]

Yet.  

[Dolph]

The question wasn't about free passes or drivers not having social consequences or more for being hot-headed in the moment. The question is why they still do it in the heat of the moment even if they'll know better layer, to which "lots of adrenaline" is still the answer.

I want it to be true that we are all composed and self-reflective when in our most competitive moods, but that's not what adrenaline does to the human brain

I dont buy the adrenaline excuse. Not everyone does it.

[FLB]

 

Even though it was a lone, ugly incident, Johncock and Rutherford is the only one that comes readily to mind for top level U.S. single seat history. Rutherford ticked several drivers off during that era, even Dick Simon.

Do you mean the press room fight at Phoenix in 1977?

 

THE MAN IN THE FIBER GLASS MASK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI.com

 

 

BTW, what on Earth possessed Pat Patrick to have them as teammates in 1983? 

[boomn]

I dont buy the adrenaline excuse. Not everyone does it.

That is a good point and I don't have a great answer for that.  Perhaps some drivers race much more "in the zone" than "on fire" and don't have the same physiological reactions? 

 

In years long past of college lacrosse I experienced it first hand when games were close and things were intense.  I didn't feel or act like the same person when games were close and needed some time to cool down afterwards.  

[Mohican]

Palou made some stupid comments about how to play the game.
Meanwhile, Ericsson said and did the right things; already in the immediate post-race interview.

Chip will have taken notice, and was already unhappy about all the Palou/McLaren talk. Some serious plain talk internally, I would think.

[Rediscoveryx]

Palou made some stupid comments about how to play the game.
Meanwhile, Ericsson said and did the right things; already in the immediate post-race interview.

Chip will have taken notice, and was already unhappy about all the Palou/McLaren talk. Some serious plain talk internally, I would think.

 

I don't think it has to be that dramatic.

 

I think that harsh words that are spoken in affect in the moment are generally excusable provided that it doesn't become a regular pattern and also provided that a sincere apology is given afterwards. Palou does not (to my knowledge) have a pattern of similar outbursts and he has given an apology which does seem sincere, so from my perspective they should be able to just move on from this and everything should be fine.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Again, his comments were more tetchy than aggressive. He needs some Windex for that glass jaw.

[BRG]

But they know they are full of adrenaline. Its not a free pass.

 

I agree totally, it does not excuse anything.  But it is the reason why you should not be amazed when it happens.

[Jim Thurman]

Do you mean the press room fight at Phoenix in 1977?

 

THE MAN IN THE FIBER GLASS MASK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI.com

 

 

BTW, what on Earth possessed Pat Patrick to have them as teammates in 1983? 

That's the one. Thanks for posting that. Sam Moses was a heck of a writer, and that's a good piece.

 

I agree with Robin Miller when he said that Sneva and Johncock were in a class of their own with lapped traffic on the paved mile ovals. Both likely from their super modified days in the Pacific Northwest and Michigan respectively.

 

If Johncock is 5'7", then I'm 5'10" (and, I am not). He stood next to me next to the driver's lounge at Riverside and I had a good three inches of height on him at age 16