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#1 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 10 June 2022 - 10:11

Are any members of this illustrious forum planning to be at the Festival of Speed this year? Now we are back in the swing of "real" events, I'm looking forward to catching up with a few like-minded enthusiasts again (amidst the glitz and glamour of the party crowd).



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#2 ensign14

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Posted 10 June 2022 - 10:25

Doing the usual Thurs/Fri swing.



#3 sabrejet

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Posted 10 June 2022 - 19:04

Thur and Fri for me too. For me, 2021 was 'back to normal' - we had FoS, MM and Revival all within a few months and a sprinkling of other 'open' events too. Looking forward to catching up with the Le Mans-winning Glickenhaus team this year :)



#4 FLB

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Posted 13 June 2022 - 13:32

I'm not one of those who is planning to attend, but has anybody seen an entry list? Isn't it usually out by this stage? The only things I can find is the theme (The Innovators - Masterminds in Racing) and some of the drivers planning to attend (Damon Hill, Henri Pescarolo, Jenson Button, Emmanuele Pirro, Tom Kristensen).



#5 Vitesse2

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Posted 13 June 2022 - 15:27

I'm not one of those who is planning to attend, but has anybody seen an entry list? Isn't it usually out by this stage? The only things I can find is the theme (The Innovators - Masterminds in Racing) and some of the drivers planning to attend (Damon Hill, Henri Pescarolo, Jenson Button, Emmanuele Pirro, Tom Kristensen).

Haven't seen a full entry list, but I did spot something on Facebook - I think from a Goodwood account - which claimed that (among others) someone called Wayney Rainey [sic] would be there!



#6 Gabrci

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Posted 13 June 2022 - 18:53

someone called Wayney Rainey [sic] would be there!

 

He is probably related to Nic Minsassian. 

 

But apart from that and that the whole article is a journalistic mess (not least using the expression "the small matter of x titles" twice), kudos to them for publishing an initial version of the list almost a month in advance and sometimes even updating it, I think this is great. In most previous years they only published a list 1-1,5 weeks before the event which I thought was really poor, so this is a most welcome development for me and I am grateful that they do it. Now I would just like to see Gérard Larrousse invited and sitting in a Matra with Henri Pescarolo. 

 

Talking about my wishes, I would absolutely love to see a Japanese celebration once. Sadly we lost Takahashi san recently but all the other local entries from those two Fuji races (Kuwashima, Takahara, Hoshino, Hasemi) are all alive and well and so is Hiroshi Fushida. I know Hasemi and Fushida have been there in the past but it would be so awesome to celebrate them together. Hoshino passed Regazzoni's factory Ferrari in a privately entered old Tyrrell at Fuji for third place, I can't imagine anything more Goodwood than to celebrate that drive! 



#7 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 13 June 2022 - 19:37

According to Ben Miles' recent post, attendees include:

Giacomo Agostini; Richard Attwood; Derek Bell; Jenson Button; Tatiana Calderon; Dan Cammish; Karun Chandok; Josh Cook; Mick Doohan; Dario Franchitti; Mika Hakkinen; Damon Hill; Ian Hutchinson; Jacky Ickx; Tom Kristensen; André Lotterer; Klaus Ludwig; Nigel Mansell; Catie Munnings; Adrian Newey; Riccardo Patrese; Danny Pedrosa; Henri Pescarolo; Emmanuele Pirro; Jason Plato; Wayne Rainey; Brian Redman; Kenny Roberts; Kevin Schwantz; Jackie Stewart; Hans-Joachim Stuck; John Watson and Mark Webber.

it would be a pleasure to say "Hi" to a few of those guys and girls.



#8 Peter Morley

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Posted 14 June 2022 - 14:25

I'll be there with the highly polished, streamlined, Dean Lotus 10.

Always happy to chat if anyone's around.

Peter



#9 FLB

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 21:57

Entry list is out:

 

https://www.goodwood...--public-v3.pdf



#10 ensign14

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Posted 26 June 2022 - 16:54

In answer to the thread title...

 

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#11 sabrejet

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Posted 26 June 2022 - 19:05

Well as ever, it was a memorable experience and a massive credit to those who organized it. It did feel a little light on 'overseas' entries, but that's understandable. For me, the 'lost' Alfa 12C was worth the effort alone, and I will carry the impression of the McMurtry Speirling going flat-out everywhere for a long time - last year it was impressive: this year it beggared belief. These EV cars make an awesome sound, and they also allow one to hear the gasps of the spectators, which we've never experienced with internal-combustion-engine vehicles.

 

On the down side, it became annoying to constantly hear commentary referring to vehicles as "weapons", which seems crass at best; distasteful at worst. And less crass, but equally annoying, the references to streamlined cars being "aerodynamic" (which seems to be common use nowadays, so maybe I should just get over it) and the new (to me) phenomenon of "carbon fibre" brakes.

 

But these are petty niggles: I loved my two days there, and can't wait for 2023. Well done all.



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Posted 26 June 2022 - 20:29

Sadly I couldn't be there, but my vote for Man of the Meeting, without a doubt  -  Wayne Rainey.

 

And I am not a motorcycle fan !!



#13 68targa

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 09:05

If I understand it correctly, the McMurtry relies on a fan to suck the car down which is it's key advantage apart from electric motors. I wonder if Mr Hall and Mr Murray had a quiet chuckle to themselves ? Technology seems to have caught up with the 1970's.

#14 BRG

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 09:14

In answer to the thread title...

 

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I do hope that DCN gives us a de-brief of his experiences at the FoS.

 

By de-brief, I don't mean his fire-proof underwear issues, BTW!



#15 ensign14

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 10:54

Sadly I couldn't be there, but my vote for Man of the Meeting, without a doubt  -  Wayne Rainey.

 

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#16 kayemod

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 11:10

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An amazing performance, and he even did a wheelie.



#17 Tim Murray

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 11:22

As I couldn’t be there this year, I’m really looking forward to more photos ... :clap: :clap:

#18 Doug Nye

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 14:40

Well, for starters, perhaps...

 

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Ahem - I'm afraid I had a wonderful few FoSsy days - not perhaps what one would wish to see on the way up BUT (he adds in relief) this is actually on the way back down - F1 Fazzazz on one's tail...

 

And then, talking about tails:

 

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Manitou V12 in the 350hp Sunbeam

 

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DCN


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#19 Doug Nye

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 14:49

And some more:

 

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Art Merzario with Emanuele Pirro interpreting for Ed Foster and the FoS commentary audience 

 

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#20 BRG

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 14:51

Ahem - I'm afraid I had a wonderful few FoSsy days - not perhaps what one would wish to see on the way up BUT (he adds in relief) this is actually on the way back down - F1 Fazzazz on one's tail...

 

I think the expression 'jammy b****r' may be appropriate!

 

More please, if you have any!



#21 BRG

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 14:55

More please, if you have any!

Crossed with DCN's second lot of shots. but if he has any more, there is an avid audience here!



#22 ensign14

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 14:57

 

 

 

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DCN

 

The spirit of Klem lives on...

 

Will dig out some more tonight, I fear I was not photographically inspired, I know not why, perhaps because so many entries were familiar to me.  

 

I should not however be so continually surprised at how good the Style & Luxe displays are; although the Ferraris were usual suspects, the display of Austin 7s and micro sports cars was delightful, and the Bucciali semi-chop-top sumptuous.



#23 Risil

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 15:03

If you don't mind me asking, what's the reason for the double rear tyre arrangement on the Auto Union? I don't think I've seen any in-period photos of the rear end in that configuration.



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Posted 27 June 2022 - 15:11

You seem to be bearing up quite well after so much weekend suffering, Mr Nye :cool:.

 

I like o think the yellow ENB P2/3 (?) in your Ferrari paddock shot is the same car as this one snapped at a Le Mans Test Day.

 

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If so, the car's lasted better than the pic. Apologies for the quality - the 14-year-old me was a bit slapdash in the darkroom!

 

 

 



#25 BRG

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 15:13

I think it was just for hill climbs, to give better traction.  Didn't Raymond Mays do the same on hsi hill climb car?

 

And extra bonus point for DCN for capturing Little Art sans chapeau!  A super rare sight!



#26 Tim Murray

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 15:20

If you don't mind me asking, what's the reason for the double rear tyre arrangement on the Auto Union? I don't think I've seen any in-period photos of the rear end in that configuration.


As BRG says, twin rear wheels were regularly used in hill climbs. Here’s Hans Stuck at Shelsley Walsh in 1936:

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#27 Vitesse2

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 16:19

If you don't mind me asking, what's the reason for the double rear tyre arrangement on the Auto Union? I don't think I've seen any in-period photos of the rear end in that configuration.

Regularly used in hillclimbs by the more 'serious' (or more well-heeled) competitors. See also (for example) Wimille at Prescott in 1939.

 

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The only time I know of when double rears were used on a tarmac racing circuit was the 1938 Imperial Trophy at Crystal Palace, by George Abecassis on his Alta. A wet race and the Palace surface was notoriously slippery in those sort of conditions. Seems to have worked, as he won!

 

Reg Parnell also used them in Swedish ice racing in 1947.



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Posted 27 June 2022 - 16:26

I think it was just for hill climbs, to give better traction.  Didn't Raymond Mays do the same on hsi hill climb car?

 

And extra bonus point for DCN for capturing Little Art sans chapeau!  A super rare sight!

Senza cappello!



#29 marksixman

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 17:08

Aww, Doug. No pics of Nigel Mansell.

 

Alright. I will banish myself !!!!!! :smoking:



#30 ensign14

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 18:55

I put some stuff up in Racing Comments here, so here are some more that are a bit more suited for nostalgia purposes, perhaps:

 

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^ Kelly's Eye

 

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^ Lotus have added lightness to the badge

 

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^ Lotus Europe (sic)

 

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^ British Bulldog

 

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^ any colour you like, so long as it's here

 

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^ I think the TG183B is under-estimated in how extraordinary it looks

 

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^ bit of fish-eye experimentation, given the weather

 

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^ cuuuute - the Electrica Meccanica 3 wheeler from Cali

 

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^ a Bug for Little Art

 

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^ revivalism seems to be the order of the day.  But I thought the electrical Renault 5 works well, captures the spirit of the original, but with a contemporary hint

 

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^ more and more I am finding the future tech pavilion to be a highlight.  It is indeed like walking through an episode of Tomorrow's World, only lacking the gorgeous Philippa Forrester.  It is quite exciting and invigorating seeing what solutions are in the offing.  This is some sort of electronic boat thing for a racing series, the Victory Marine Seabird RB01



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Posted 27 June 2022 - 19:08

Like Tim I was unable to make it this year, so no programme. Is the blue Zagato the Kerguen/Franc Le Mans car?.

Many thanks and many thanks also for posting the photographs.

Roger Lund


Edited by bradbury west, 27 June 2022 - 19:09.


#32 Doug Nye

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Posted 27 June 2022 - 22:57

Yes re Kerguen Aston - freshly rebuilt by v. proud restorers...

 

DCN



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Posted 28 June 2022 - 04:14

Yes re Kerguen Aston - freshly rebuilt by v. proud restorers...

 

DCN

 

I did wonder but recall the Kerguen car had mild flares on the rear wheel arches. Front end certainly looked spot-on though :)



#34 Bloggsworth

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 09:17

I put some stuff up in Racing Comments here, so here are some more that are a bit more suited for nostalgia purposes, perhaps:

 

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When nobbut a lad I used to wonder who this Dutchman "Dean Van Lines" was...



#35 BRG

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 09:41

I think he was the cousin of Hertz Van Rental?



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Posted 28 June 2022 - 10:50

I did wonder but recall the Kerguen car had mild flares on the rear wheel arches. Front end certainly looked spot-on though :)

I have no desire to become embroiled in  semantics, but I always had a big interest in these cars in period, especially after seeing the ex Moss car driving past me standing in our village in Somerset in 1968. 
Just a quick check shows the Kerguen car as “standard” Zagato in 61, running as no 1, with flat wings . It was white, or the picture looked like white . In 62 it was that delightful blue, but still regular wing edges, running no 12. In 63, as no 19, there may be a very slight relieving of the edge, as at the front, perhaps for slightly wider rims, and had gained a small duck tail spoiler on the  rearmost  curve edge on the boot lid.

I have always understood that owners opt for a particular point in time, owner or race spec for the restoration details, so this is probably done as the 1962 Le Mans car, and jolly nice too.

I cannot believe that an owner of such a car, the restorers or an historian advising them would get it wrong, unless I have got it all wrong…

Exits left, 

Roger Lund

 

Edit. My last sentence is intended to show I believe they are correct in their presentation of the car. 


Edited by bradbury west, 28 June 2022 - 11:26.


#37 Charlieman

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 10:55

 

 

 

Art Merzario with Emanuele Pirro interpreting for Ed Foster and the FoS commentary audience 

 

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^^ Illustration of the Bell curve regarding male driver height, explaining why Ed Foster never made it in F1.



#38 10kDA

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 10:58

Doug and ensign14 - thanks for posting excellent pics!



#39 sabrejet

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 11:19

I cannot believe that an owner of such a car, the restorers or an historian advising them would get it wrong, unless I have got it all wrong…

 

Me neither, but it's happened before with historic aircraft...



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#40 bradbury west

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 11:27

Me neither, but it's happened before with historic aircraft...

 The point I was making is that I believe they have got the  presentation correct.

Roger Lund.



#41 PZR

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 11:31

 

Talking about my wishes, I would absolutely love to see a Japanese celebration once. Sadly we lost Takahashi san recently but all the other local entries from those two Fuji races (Kuwashima, Takahara, Hoshino, Hasemi) are all alive and well and so is Hiroshi Fushida. I know Hasemi and Fushida have been there in the past but it would be so awesome to celebrate them together. Hoshino passed Regazzoni's factory Ferrari in a privately entered old Tyrrell at Fuji for third place, I can't imagine anything more Goodwood than to celebrate that drive! 

 

I agree, but I wouldn't narrow it down to Formula One activities in terms of cars or drivers.

 

For example, we saw a 'Calsonic'/'Impul' liveried R32 Skyline GT-R running up the hill, but it was a lookalike/replica. Nissan owns The Real Thing back in Japan and Kazuyoshi Hoshino would be THE man to drive it. Nissan also have the corresponding Hasemi Motorsport 'Zexel' Skyline and Hasemi himself would be the man there. They often do that very thing at the NISMO Festival in Japan. It would suit the FoS down to the ground.

 

I'm friends with Masami Kuwashima (I own one of his old cars) and we've talked about Goodwood. I reckon he'd be up for it if he was invited.

 

Moto Kitano has attended with Honda more than once, but very few people seemed to know who he was...

 

Up on the Rally Stage, Nissan UK had a replica/lookalike (not much more than a paint and stickers job) of the 1971 East African Safari Rally winning 240Z on their stand, but Nissan have The Real Thing back in their collection back in Japan and a world class event such as the Festival Of Speed would surely warrant its presence. Nissan have spent plenty of money transporting other cars in their Heritage Collection for display/demo in the USA in recent years, so why not Goodwood? Imagine - just from Nissan alone - Prince R380 A-I, Nissan R380 A-II, R381, R382, Skyline/Bluebird/Silvia Super Silhouettes, various JGTC R33s and R34s, R390 GT1, NP35 and any number of rally cars. I think many people would love to see them.            
 



#42 Doug Nye

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 12:59

Goodwood Motorsport is open and often very receptive to such suggestions/recommendations as those above...  

 

Just bear in mind that budgets to bring cars and appropriate drivers to the event from around the world simply cannot accommodate within one event all one might like to see.

 

DCN



#43 Doug Nye

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 13:24

Nigel Mansell on the Goodwood hill...

 

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#44 Doug Nye

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 13:36

Jason Wright's 1961-style Ferrari Dino 246SP replica '0790R' made its public debut at FoS, having been built around original an engine and transaxle by Setford Racing.  It was only completed on the opening Thursday of the event, yet ran well 'straight out of the box'.

 

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Edited by Doug Nye, 29 June 2022 - 21:47.


#45 Parkesi

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 14:06

Nige: Renault sticker on visor, Fiat logo on the Ferrari. Isn‘t that nice?

#46 Concreteconrods

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 16:03

On the live stream we saw Nigel M squeezed into a Lotus 25. It appeared to be an early version 25 because it did not have the yellow stripe or the Len Terry aerodynamic windscreen. Does anyone have some pictures and/or information about this car please?

DT


Edited by Concreteconrods, 28 June 2022 - 16:03.


#47 sabrejet

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 16:47

Imagine - just from Nissan alone - Prince R380 A-I, Nissan R380 A-II, R381, R382, ...I think many people would love to see them.            

 

 

+1 there. We did get a Toyota 7 static one year but I can't recall seeing any of the Prince/Nissan sports cars in the UK before now.



#48 doc knutsen

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 17:22

Well, for starters, perhaps...

 

 

 

Ahem - I'm afraid I had a wonderful few FoSsy days - not perhaps what one would wish to see on the way up BUT (he adds in relief) this is actually on the way back down - F1 Fazzazz on one's tail...

 

And then, talking about tails:

 

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Manitou V12 in the 350hp Sunbeam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fazzazz indeed...memories of the much admired Henry N. Manney III



#49 GazChed

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 18:12

On the live stream we saw Nigel M squeezed into a Lotus 25. It appeared to be an early version 25 because it did not have the yellow stripe or the Len Terry aerodynamic windscreen. Does anyone have some pictures and/or information about this car please?
DT

The Lotus 25 driven by Nigel Mansell is most likely the car driven by Nick Fennell at Goodwood FOS and the Glover Trophy at the Revival as well as HGPCA races. If it is the Fennell car I believe it is chassis R5. Last season it appeared in the older, all dark green livery with black wheels.

#50 Tim Murray

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Posted 28 June 2022 - 18:31

Here’s Nigel sitting in the car in the paddock. The board above the car gives its number as 404, which according to the entry list is the car entered by Nick Fennell:

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