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#2151 GentlemanDriver091

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Posted 29 September 2022 - 20:53

That is not what he is saying. He is saying it isn't a problem anymore. Which is just not true. It doesn't surprise me they don't go over the limit if they set the limit so high. It is even more a farce if they even alter the limits because they race on a bumpy track. To me it points to a political game. We have mild limits this year and changes next year. We still see consistent porpoising.

…or maybe it isn’t possible to keep it within the limits because of the bumpy track?

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#2152 Bliman

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Posted 29 September 2022 - 20:56

…or maybe it isn’t possible to keep it within the limits because of the bumpy track?

Then that would mean the changes were needed next year.

#2153 GentlemanDriver091

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Posted 29 September 2022 - 21:42

Then that would mean the changes were needed next year.

Why? We’ve always had bumpy tracks.

#2154 Bliman

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Posted 29 September 2022 - 23:03

Why? We’ve always had bumpy tracks.

Because I thought they had set limits for health. We saw many complaining in Baku due to the nature of the track and not necessarily due to the porpoising. You know the two-fold problem like I have been saying from the beginning. It then doesn't make sense to alter the limit due to the track.

Either it is safe or it isn't.

Like seriously how does this make sense "

Ahead of the Singapore GP, Tombazis has written to teams to say that the FIA is tweaking the metric from now on to help alleviate the bumpy track complication.

The governing body has notified teams that to avoid excess energy spikes caused by track bumps skewing the metric, a new maximium reading limit will be put in place to not take into account such extreme impacts.

The FIA has said from now on that there will be a top limit of 7G attributed to readings – meaning any track strike above that will not be taken into account for compliance with the metric."

While many were complaining due to the bumpiness in Baku.



#2155 vlado

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Posted 29 September 2022 - 23:32

Wait so if Baku was this weekend what happens? They would've had to adjust the measurements again..  



#2156 Bliman

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Posted 29 September 2022 - 23:37

Wait so if Baku was this weekend what happens? They would've had to adjust the measurements again..  

I guess so.



#2157 Paa

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Posted 29 September 2022 - 23:51

FIA: We'll set a bouncing limit so nobody can race with a car that is porpoising over the limit.

 

Team: What if someone crosses the limit?

 

FIA: Then we'll adjust the limit so nobody would be beyond. *Trollface*



#2158 as65p

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Posted 29 September 2022 - 23:57

Either it is safe or it isn't.

 

Everyone would like it to be as simple as that. Unfortunately most things are more complicated. There is no strictly "safe" way to race F1 cars, all they can try is to minimize uneccessary dangers. And where exactly these boundaries are is very hard to define and I'm sure no genuine medical expert would be willing to sign something like "6G is perfectly safe for everyone but 7G is not".



#2159 AustinF1

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 00:40

Wait so if Baku was this weekend what happens? They would've had to adjust the measurements again..  

Yeah it almost sounds like they're going to adjust race by race, according to the bumpiness of the track.

 

COTA's gonna be really interesting with these new cars & their lower ride heights and stiffer suspensions.



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#2160 AlbertPark

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 05:51

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What a clown show unbelievable.

Wont somebody please think of hamilton's back?!!



#2161 Mechanic44

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 06:09

Wont somebody please think of hamilton's back?!!

Don’t forget Dan struggling with his back in the interview pen or Kevin needing treatment for his back after a race or Gasly. But always best to mention Lewis’s name 😂.

Obviously the FIA never cared about safety and are changing things day by day. They are good at that.

Edited by Mechanic44, 30 September 2022 - 06:09.


#2162 FullOppositeLock

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 06:31

Don’t forget Dan struggling with his back in the interview pen or Kevin needing treatment for his back after a race or Gasly. But always best to mention Lewis’s name 😂.

Obviously the FIA never cared about safety and are changing things day by day. They are good at that.


Mate, this was always about Mercedes seeking a way to pull back the frontrunners because they couldn’t get their concept to work without it becoming a danger to their own drivers.

In any case, all this outcry with respect to Singapore is much ado about nothing. FIA are simply adjusting the metric to eliminate effects entirely unrelated to ground floor effect and as such prevent false readings. Don’t let that stop anyone from crying foul about safety though.

#2163 Mechanic44

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 06:41

Mate, this was always about Mercedes seeking a way to pull back the frontrunners because they couldn’t get their concept to work without it becoming a danger to their own drivers.

In any case, all this outcry with respect to Singapore is much ado about nothing. FIA are simply adjusting the metric to eliminate effects entirely unrelated to ground floor effect and as such prevent false readings. Don’t let that stop anyone from crying foul about safety though.


We had to do something have you seen our car.

#2164 FullOppositeLock

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 08:00

We had to do something have you seen our car.


Haha. Kudos for taking it in good spirit. I have absolutely no doubt that Horner & Co would do (indeed have done) similar when faced with the same problem.

#2165 ARTGP

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 15:45

 

Lewis Hamilton did not have a pleasant day in his W13. The Mercedes driver knew in advance that he had to expect blows and therefore a lot of rebound, but that it would be so bad, he did not foresee it. The seven-time world champion got out of the car with a headache after the second session of free practice.

 

 

"The car is as it is: a lot of rebound!" Hamilton is quoted by Motorsport-Magazin.com. The Singapore Grand Prix is known as the physically toughest GP on the calendar, but the hot conditions are not the biggest problem for Hamilton. "All that bounce makes my head hurt all the time. Look at my helmet on the onboards!"

 

 

and this is why the FIA should never have relaxed the acceleration limits for this weekend.  Hamilton: "All this rebound is giving me a headache all the time - GPblog

 

Right on cue, Merc sacrificing their drivers health again.  Make them run a softer car. This is getting ridiculous the lengths that Mercedes have gone to at the expense of their drivers. It is a safety issue now. 


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#2166 Shade

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 15:48

We had to do something have you seen our car.

LOL.

From now on you're my favorite Merc fan.



#2167 vlado

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 16:56

If Mercedes wish to protect their drivers all the need to do is set up the car as if the FIA hadn't relaxed the metrics? 



#2168 ARTGP

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 16:57

Where is our fearless leader of the GPDA?  :smoking:


Edited by ARTGP, 30 September 2022 - 16:57.


#2169 FullOppositeLock

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 18:45

Where is our fearless leader of the GPDA? :smoking:


Probably ferociously studying the budget cap regulations.

#2170 Bliman

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 18:52

and this is why the FIA should never have relaxed the acceleration limits for this weekend. Hamilton: "All this rebound is giving me a headache all the time - GPblog

Right on cue, Merc sacrificing their drivers health again. Make them run a softer car. This is getting ridiculous the lengths that Mercedes have gone to at the expense of their drivers. It is a safety issue now.

The FIA disagrees with you. They even altered it here. I don't get why people don't see it is a two fold problem. We had many complaining in Baku but the same people here still try to point it at Mercedes only. For obvious reasons.

#2171 ARTGP

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 18:59

The FIA disagrees with you. They even altered it here. I don't get why people don't see it is a two fold problem. We had many complaining in Baku but the same people here still try to point it at Mercedes only. For obvious reasons.

 

I'm not sure I understand your post  Hamilton is complaining of headaches. It suggest the FIA shouldn't have relaxed the rules.


Edited by ARTGP, 30 September 2022 - 19:01.


#2172 Bliman

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Posted 30 September 2022 - 19:08

I'm not sure I understand your post Hamilton is complaining of headaches. It suggest the FIA shouldn't have relaxed the rules.

I agree they shouldn't have relaxed it. It seems the FIA only looks at the porpoising and even there it seems they are very mild. To me that doesn't make sense when we heard so many complaining in Baku. Does that mean all the others also went to far in their setup there? And if they were wasn't it on the FIA to prevent that happening again for the safety of the driver.