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[Astandahl]

Brazil was the introduction of that now infamous 'new' rocket engine. It sure looks 'aggressive' it you can blast by everyone else..

The W12 was also the best car by far in Brazil, not just in the straights. I have no idea why Bottas was so slow.

[mjjTT]

The W12 was also the best car by far in Brazil, not just in the straights. I have no idea why Bottas was so slow.

Bottas didn’t have same car as Hamilton. Wolff said this later.

[Whitelightning]

Since Lewis began his epic battles with Max, the one thing became clear, if push came to shove, more often than not Lewis would back out of a straight fight for a corner and would give it up.

You mean Lewis would use his superior wheel to wheel racing ability to not get taken out of the race like 3 times last year 😂.

Lewis avoiding Max numerous times, Spain, Brazil, Saudi even the Abu Dhabi dive bomb. It’s what would have won him the title if Michael didn’t mess up.

What a very strange thread to start.

[RedRabbit]

I always felt Hamilton was better at attack than defense. Maybe that's because he has such good race pace, and has more often than not been in an attacking position, rather than having to defend.

[f1kent83]

Nothing wrong with backing out against a driver who would willingly take out both drivers, it can't be easy to know if you leave your car there Max will hit it for the championship.

In the end Hamilton should have played Max at his own game, he had no chance of winning after Masi's mistakes and he should have let Max hit his car and see what happens at the end. Max would have defiantly done the same with roles reversed.

Edited by f1kent83, 16 July 2022 - 14:27.

[geralt]

Nothing wrong with backing out against a driver who would willingly take out both drivers, it can't be easy to know if you leave your car there Max will hit it for the championship.

In the end Hamilton should have played Max at his own game, he had no chance of winning after Masi's mistakes and he should have let Max hit his car and see what happens at the end. Max would have defiantly done the same with roles reversed.

I'm glad he didn't, I would have lost respect for him if he'd purposefully crashed into Max to win

[Nathan]

He is probably less desperate to defend and more focused on racing.

 

This is my take. 

[FortiFord]

Nothing wrong with backing out against a driver who would willingly take out both drivers, it can't be easy to know if you leave your car there Max will hit it for the championship.

In the end Hamilton should have played Max at his own game, he had no chance of winning after Masi's mistakes and he should have let Max hit his car and see what happens at the end. Max would have defiantly done the same with roles reversed.

Maybe he was waiting to see if Max would get penalised for overtaking under the SC or weaving on the straight.

But yes, it would’ve been interesting if he didn’t yield on the entry of turn 9. (Though I honestly doubt the stewards would’ve handed out any penalties for a collision between the 2 unless it was something completely blatant).

[f1kent83]

Maybe he was waiting to see if Max would get penalised for overtaking under the SC or weaving on the straight.

But yes, it would’ve been interesting if he didn’t yield on the entry of turn 9. (Though I honestly doubt the stewards would’ve handed out any penalties for a collision between the 2 unless it was something completely blatant).

I think the same regarding the stewards as they was just as bad as Masi and got away with what happened in AD. The risk comes from who comes out worse from the collision, something we have seen from Max he doesn't mind risking a collision. Roles reversed and I have no doubt there would be a collision on the final lap, Max was desperate enough to do anything before AD.

[FullOppositeLock]

So is this the newest AD 2021 history rewrite thread then..?

[Autodromo]

Lewis' pass on Mick was pretty slick in Austria.  

[Squeed]

I think people forget Lewis was very 'do or die' early on in F1.  Made lots of moves that were quite hard, where it was a sort of 'I'm coming through and if you do anything to try and stop me we're both crashing' thing.  Of course he had the competence to pull this off without being some wily 'chuck it and pray' sort of driver like most others who attempt the same thing with less talent.  He'd also had plenty of instances of just pushing others off-track when trying to overtake him, though when this was going unpunished, many drivers were doing this, so he was hardly alone in this. 

 

But still, this isn't some new situation for him and he seems to have softened up a bit on this himself, for better or worse.  I do think that's taken a slight edge off his impressiveness, but not much.  He's still absolutely one of the elite guys out there when it comes to wheel to wheel racing and will come off the better far more often than not.  

I think Lewis learned how to push it right up to the line without going over, and that's been the Lewis we've seen over the past 14 years.  When we had consistent driving standards and somewhat consistent enforcement, that real-time awareness of where "the line that shall not be crossed" was provided him with a competitive advantage in head-to-head battles.  But now that drivers have been allowed to egregious abuse those standards without consequence one week, and get a penalty for something much less egregious the next, some people seem to misperceive it as a weakness.    

[Squeed]

Brazil was the introduction of that now infamous 'new' rocket engine. It sure looks 'aggressive' it you can blast by everyone else..

 

The late move he made on Lando into T1 (I think it was the sprint) was an uncharacteristically aggressive move. 

[gillesfan76]

I thought he defended the inside pretty well in Bahrain last year.

[chrcol]

I dont know what my opinion is here, when a car has straight line performance issues it really hurts on wheel to wheel racing.  Merc do have those issues right now.  In the first few years of Merc dominance, it was the other way they had the best engine, so you could leave the door open but engine power would prevent the overtake.  However shut the door, the driver behind gets the tow and with the power and drag problems Merc have he would still be a sitting duck.  For this reason the only other driver to compare him to at the moment for defending would be Russell and I think Russell has had weak defending as well this year.

 

His issues last year with Max are separate to this as Max was been aggressive against him.  So Lewis had to be super passive when wheel to wheel with Max to make it to end of races.

Edited by chrcol, 19 July 2022 - 01:47.