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#1 RekF1

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 15:52

https://twitter.com/...Z1yi4CRPlapZCYQ

Anyone know what Seb did?

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#2 JimmyClark

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 15:53

https://twitter.com/...Z1yi4CRPlapZCYQ

Anyone know what Seb did?


That's a weird one. Turned up without pants on?

#3 BleuMurmure

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 15:53

That's a weird one. Turned up without pants on?

In an eco-dress?:)



#4 JimmyClark

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 15:55

Ah it seems to be article 12.2.1.f, for "causing moral injury or loss to the FIA". (Etc)

Edited by JimmyClark, 09 July 2022 - 15:56.


#5 Deeq

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 15:55

https://twitter.com/...Z1yi4CRPlapZCYQ

Anyone know what Seb did?


Joked, about FiAs competency or lack of it probably..

Edited by Deeq, 09 July 2022 - 15:56.


#6 SophieB

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 15:56

https://twitter.com/...Z1yi4CRPlapZCYQ

Anyone know what Seb did?

@ChrisMedlandF1

It relates to the drivers' meeting on Friday night, and so far all I've been told is Seb left it.

 
The timing explains why it's the first summons (6pm local time) before an investigation into Schumacher and Ricciardo for potential starting procedure infringements
 
#F1 #AustrianGP


#7 RekF1

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:04

@ChrisMedlandF1
It relates to the drivers' meeting on Friday night, and so far all I've been told is Seb left it.
 
The timing explains why it's the first summons (6pm local time) before an investigation into Schumacher and Ricciardo for potential starting procedure infringements
 
#F1 #AustrianGP


Someone on Reddit suggested he was caught putting sauce on a schnitzel, which is equivalent of adding the milk in first with a cup of tea.

That's fair enough in my book.

#8 statman

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:06

Keith Collantine] The stewards are considering whether Sebastian Vettel’s behaviour at a drivers’ meeting yesterday “caused moral injury” to the FIA or its members. Christian Horner broke the same rule in Qatar last year by referring to a “rogue marshal”:



#9 RekF1

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:15

Ah it seems to be article 12.2.1.f, for "causing moral injury or loss to the FIA". (Etc)

I thought you were joking.

#10 TheFish

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:18

I wonder what he said (or who he said it to).



#11 Clatter

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:21

I wonder what he said (or who he said it to).

If it was said or done in a private meeting then this is just about hurt feelings of the FIA?

#12 BleuMurmure

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:21

I guess he called out the inconsistency of stewarding/RD. Track limits enforcement was very poor yesterday.



#13 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:31

How is it an injury or loss if we haven't heard about it.



#14 GiorgioF1

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:38

"The Race understands that Friday’s driver briefing was the latest in a series of lengthy & animated discussions between the drivers and race direction. The relationship between drivers & officials has grown increasingly tense as this season has progressed."

 

"There is discontent among the drivers over the consistency of the officiating & a view that the shared race direction with Niels Wittich and Eduardo Freitas is not working effectively. Alonso & Vettel are said to have been particularly outspoken in the Friday meeting."

 

https://the-race.com...rivers-meeting/



#15 SophieB

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:38

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Hearing Sebastian Vettel is seemingly still with the stewards after being summoned regarding his "behaviour at the drivers' meeting". He was called in to meet at 1800 local time… so 35 minutes ago. #AustrianGP #F1



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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:38

How is it an injury or loss if we haven't heard about it.

 

The irony being we are now likely to hear of it  :stoned:


Edited by Jellyfishcake, 09 July 2022 - 16:38.


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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:40

The running of race control and the F1 side of the FIA at large this year has reeked of middle management having their ego take a few punches, and trying to cement their weak position in a haphazard way.



#18 SophieB

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:43

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FIA hands Vettel a suspended €25k fine - says he left the drivers' meeting without permission. "Drivers at this level are role models for every driver around the world and in the opinion of the Stewards Vettel failed to live up to that standard in this case." #F1 #AustrianGP



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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:44

Someone on Reddit suggested he was caught putting sauce on a schnitzel, which is equivalent of adding the milk in first with a cup of tea.

That's fair enough in my book.

Er, but that's the right way to make a cuppa.



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#20 SophieB

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:45

@ChrisMedlandF1

Suspended €25,000 fine for Vettel for his behaviour at the drivers' meeting.

 
Vettel "left the drivers’ meeting that was held at 19:30 on Friday 8 July, without permission, and expressing frustration at the meeting".
 
Vettel later met the race director and apologised #F1


#21 Myrvold

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:45

@LukeSmithF1
FIA hands Vettel a suspended €25k fine - says he left the drivers' meeting without permission. "Drivers at this level are role models for every driver around the world and in the opinion of the Stewards Vettel failed to live up to that standard in this case." #F1 #AustrianGP


Which is true and correct.

However the FIA have the same responsibility, they are failing massively.

#22 flyboym3

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:45

Jeez, the fia come across as a bunch of cronies.
Mohammed was always gonna go after vettel it felt like.

#23 RekF1

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:47

Er, but that's the right way to make a cuppa.


Are you a pagan or something?

#24 smitten

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:47

Are you a pagan or something?

Just brung up propa



#25 eibyyz

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:48

Do not taunt Happy Fun FIA™.



#26 Deeq

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:49

Are you a pagan or something?

Hehe, I thought paganism was in now days...

#27 smitten

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:49

Which is true and correct.

However the FIA have the same responsibility, they are failing massively.

It seems to be becoming reverting to more of a dictatorship.



#28 FLB

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:50

Jeez, the fia come across as a bunch of cronies.
Mohammed was always gonna go after vettel it felt like.

The FIA is an organization that was being managed from the outside (EX: Ross Brawn suggesting what changes to make after Abu Dhabi). F1's way of doing things for itself without considering the impact on other series was something that needed to be addressed (Ex: Charlie Whiting's views on track limits violations).

 

Everybody looks at how things are done by the Big Guys (F1).



#29 DS27

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:52

The FIA has no morality, so how can it be injured?



#30 ANF

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:53

The driver, Sebastian Vettel, left the drivers’ meeting that was held at 19:30 on Friday 8 July, without permission, and expressing frustration at the meeting.

 

Drivers are not free to leave when they want, this being a breach of the requirement to attend. Drivers at this level are role models for every driver around the world and in the opinion of the Stewards Vettel failed to live up to that standard in this case.

 

Subsequently Vettel had a meeting with the Race Director, who informed the Stewards that Vettel apologized without reservation, and that further, they had a very constructive conversation covering the topics in the meeting and more. The Stewards determine that there is a breach, which cannot go without penalty, but that based on the report from the Race Director there are factors in mitigation.

 

Therefore, the Stewards order a fine of €25,000, which is suspended for the remainder of the 2022 season, subject to any breach of Article 20.1 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations or of Article 12.2.1 f) of the International Sporting Code.



#31 Deeq

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:53

It seems to be becoming reverting to more of a dictatorship.

I dont mind dictatorship as long as it is competent...F1 or any sport is meritocratic after all not an egilatarian democracy.
Chaos, inconsistency are enemies of the sports running..

#32 renzmann

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:54

I guess Vettel knew what he did, which only makes it more admirable.



#33 FLB

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:54

The FIA has no morality, so how can it be injured?

Well, if somebody publicly calls somebody else's comptence into question, like an official's during a meeting involving all other competitors...  :blush:

 

 

It would be the same in any professional sport.



#34 Deeq

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:56

Well, if somebody publicly calls somebody else's comptence into question, like an official's during a meeting involving all other competitors... :blush:


It would be the same in any professional sport.

You see its not what he said in the meeting that is the issue rather he left the meeting in a huff..

#35 Lazy

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 16:57

I'm liking finger boy more and more of late, solidarity.



#36 FLB

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:00

You see its not what he said in the meeting that is the issue rather he left the meeting in a huff..

While expressing 'frustration at the meeting'.



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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:00

These errant drivers must be pulled in to line.  Rules are rules.  Or whatever the rhetoric over pants and rings was.  :D



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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:02

The driver, Sebastian Vettel, left the drivers’ meeting that was held at 19:30 on Friday 8 July, without permission, and expressing frustration at the meeting.

 

Drivers are not free to leave when they want, this being a breach of the requirement to attend. Drivers at this level are role models for every driver around the world and in the opinion of the Stewards Vettel failed to live up to that standard in this case.

 

Subsequently Vettel had a meeting with the Race Director, who informed the Stewards that Vettel apologized without reservation, and that further, they had a very constructive conversation covering the topics in the meeting and more. The Stewards determine that there is a breach, which cannot go without penalty, but that based on the report from the Race Director there are factors in mitigation.

 

Therefore, the Stewards order a fine of €25,000, which is suspended for the remainder of the 2022 season, subject to any breach of Article 20.1 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations or of Article 12.2.1 f) of the International Sporting Code.

I get it, but it all just seems to be deepening divisions between the drivers and the people trying to administer it all. Feels like they’re trying to shut up dissent rather than listen. I really hope it’s actually they’re doing both.



#39 ArnageWRC

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:02

Ridiculous.....completely pathetic. The stewards are a bunch of gutless gob5h1tes....Where do they dig these idiots up from? 



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#40 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:02

How is failing to follow procedure "causing moral injury or loss to the FIA"



#41 ANF

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:03

While expressing 'frustration at the meeting'.

Maybe a Mexico 2016 kind of frustration? :)

#42 ExFlagMan

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:04

These errant drivers must be pulled in to line.  Rules are rules.  Or whatever the rhetoric over pants and rings was.  :D

 

Only holds true if the rules are consistent from race-to-race - or even session-to-session.



#43 milestone 11

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:05

A third of the grid up before the stewards now for illegal radio messages. This FIA shower need to get a grip of themselves.

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:08

Maybe a Mexico 2016 kind of frustration? :)

That's exactly what I think. The FIA wll never say about itself 'Mr Vettel said Mr. Wittich lacked the experience required for the job' or 'Mr. Vettel said the discussion was a complete waste of time' or 'Mr. Vettel complained that Mr.Wittich was 'Not listening'' and  therefore chose to leave the meeting before its end.



#45 smitten

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:08

A third of the grid up before the stewards now for illegal radio messages. This FIA shower need to get a grip of themselves.

I thought the job of the "Sporting Director" for each team was to ensure compliance (and exploitation) of the rules for their team?  If so, they've obviously not been doing their jobs well.



#46 RekF1

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:09

How is failing to follow procedure "causing moral injury or loss to the FIA"[/size]


It was a team bonding meeting and Stroll was left without a partner so had to role play on his own. But someone from the FIA took his place and it was soul destroying.

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:09

The driver, Sebastian Vettel, left the drivers’ meeting that was held at 19:30 on Friday 8 July, without permission, and expressing frustration at the meeting.

 

Drivers are not free to leave when they want, this being a breach of the requirement to attend. Drivers at this level are role models for every driver around the world and in the opinion of the Stewards Vettel failed to live up to that standard in this case.

 

Subsequently Vettel had a meeting with the Race Director, who informed the Stewards that Vettel apologized without reservation, and that further, they had a very constructive conversation covering the topics in the meeting and more. The Stewards determine that there is a breach, which cannot go without penalty, but that based on the report from the Race Director there are factors in mitigation.

 

Therefore, the Stewards order a fine of €25,000, which is suspended for the remainder of the 2022 season, subject to any breach of Article 20.1 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations or of Article 12.2.1 f) of the International Sporting Code.

Sounds more like a school master complaining of a pupil walking out of class, not like a multi million dollar organisation - just a piss poor management style instead of addressing the reasons why he walked out.
 



#48 Deeq

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:10

While expressing 'frustration at the meeting'.

Indeed! But that would not cause injury to FiA nor was he alone in expressing frustration at that meeting...nor can they ever sanction that itself if he expressed objectionable/offensive thing they would say so and not characterise as expressing frustration (if anything its mitigating)
Its he left without permission thing they finned him.

#49 Brian60

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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:11

Does all these stewards enforcement decisions sound more like trying to wrest control back from the drivers? You know like the famous Ferrari quote of drivers are two a penny we can get anyone to drive our fine machines type of thing?



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Posted 09 July 2022 - 17:18

FIA stewards must just spin a wheel of fortune to decide what gets punished and what doesn’t

Albon punished for something that was deemed as ok at the previous race :confused: