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#1601 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 13 July 2022 - 21:25

Yes, Russell had to go for an earlier apex; Checo a later one.  Unfortunately, the resultant lines are apt to bisect each other.

that's why the driver behind at the moment of contact is the one responsible for the accident. 



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#1602 ExFlagMan

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Posted 13 July 2022 - 21:27

Yes, Russell had to go for an earlier apex; Checo a later one.  Unfortunately, the resultant lines are apt to bisect each other.

 

Unless of course the one with the easiest exit route uses common sense and opens his line so that he has a chance to live another day - not that common sense often come into play in such situations.

 

Hence the marshals saying - 'it takes two to tangle'.



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Posted 13 July 2022 - 22:04

Perez could have avoided it, Russell should have avoided it. 



#1604 MattPete

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 02:25

Both are veterans; Russell isn't.

 

Palou is not a veteran, and he wouldn't have pulled that scheiss.



#1605 MattPete

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 02:28

that's why the driver behind at the moment of contact is the one responsible for the accident. 

 

 

The driver that is behind has a full, 170° view (well, excluding the halo post in the middle) of the driver that is in front.  The driver in front has a teeny-tiny shaking rear-view mirror that may or may not be aimed to show the driver that is behind.  Therefore, the one that can see and can change their decision is the one who is at fault.



#1606 lewislorenzo

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 05:36

Perez should’ve waited for DRS…he was always going to get passed George eventually. No need to rush it

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 08:18

that's why the driver behind at the moment of contact is the one responsible for the accident.

It depends on which driver is the overtaker surely?

#1608 TheFish

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 08:25

Perez could have avoided it, Russell should have avoided it. 

Given the cars they were in, I'd say it was the other way round.

 

Perez should have avoided it.



#1609 TheFish

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 08:26

Raikkonen got 10 seconds for a rather similar mistake on the opening lap of Silverstone in 2018 locking briefly, drifting perhaps a foot wide and tapping Hamilton into spin, and that was in the first braking zone of the race.

 

There's also this one (which sadly is a rubbish video but I can't find better) where Leclerc just drives into Stroll and gets no penalty at all.

 



#1610 GentlemanDriver091

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 08:32

Given the cars they were in, I'd say it was the other way round.

Perez should have avoided it.

Perez could have avoided it, Russel should have avoided it, which makes it Russels’ fault.

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 08:35

Perez could have avoided it, Russel should have avoided it, which makes it Russels’ fault.

Do you care too much if it's the other guy's fault when you've thrown away a podium on lap 1?

 

Not saying the incident isn't Russell's fault either, but stupid from Perez.



#1612 Clatter

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 08:56

Perez should’ve waited for DRS…he was always going to get passed George eventually. No need to rush it

The longer you wait the further behind the cars ahead you will be.

#1613 GentlemanDriver091

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 08:58

Do you care too much if it's the other guy's fault when you've thrown away a podium on lap 1?

Not saying the incident isn't Russell's fault either, but stupid from Perez.

I think we can agree on that, but that was not what was said in the post I quoted.

#1614 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 13:10

The longer you wait the further behind the cars ahead you will be.

But getting involved in a incident, not just put him further behind the cars ahead, he had to retire the car....

#1615 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 13:11

The longer you wait the further behind the cars ahead you will be.

 

He has to play the long game if he wants to win a WDC. Pick battles you can win.



#1616 Clatter

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 13:18

But getting involved in a incident, not just put him further behind the cars ahead, he had to retire the car....

If drivers think like that then there will be no overtaking other than down the straight, using DRS.

#1617 Brackets

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 13:29

He has to play the long game if he wants to win a WDC. Pick battles you can win.

 

This.

 

While partnered with Verstappen, Perez ain’t winning Jack **** (mind you, a totally sound decision by RBR, that is).

 

So he now has a unique opportunity to build a yield-or-crash reputation. Mind you, going by recent successes from some other guy in the sport, equally a totally sound decision.

 

Of course, Russell, while driving a Mercedes, regardless who he is partnered with,  also ain’t winning Jack ****. So he also has a unique opportunity to build a yield-or-crash reputation.

 

Here’s the thing though: only one of them is trying to build it with impossible (*) outside passes.

 

 

(*) Not even my words, but those of his boss.



#1618 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 14 July 2022 - 13:38

If drivers think like that then there will be no overtaking other than down the straight, using DRS.

It has been that way for a while now, and when you add the budget cap to the scenario, drivers are going to take the path of least resistance concerning overtaking.......