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[Clrnc]

And that will be great. RB know how to build cars, Honda know how to build engines.

 

And hopefully by winning regularly Honda won't pull out again easily

[renzmann]

I'd be very delighted with that, but Schmidt argued that RBR don't want to give up their new factory, and Honda has no interest in taking a back seat. If true, those will be difficult negotiations.

[pdac]

I'd be very delighted with that, but Schmidt argued that RBR don't want to give up their new factory, and Honda has no interest in taking a back seat. If true, those will be difficult negotiations.

 

I'm sure Red Bull would be worried that Honda might just decide to quit again, in a few years, leaving them without a PU once more. As you say, they'd want to continue with their own factory, which guarantees them security.

[RA2]

https://the-race.com...entry-be-saved/

 

 

When Audi was exploring routes into the championship, McLaren and Williams are understood to have made it clear that selling a majority stake was out of the question.

 

 

 

Sad that Williams are still taking such a stance. 

[Ross Stonefeld]

A majority stake is an existential issue no? What's the plan ten years from now when Porsche pull out? They have to find a new buyer, blah blah, Williams could be extinguished.

[RA2]

A majority stake is an existential issue no? What's the plan ten years from now when Porsche pull out? They have to find a new buyer, blah blah, Williams could be extinguished.

 

 

Williams has been lower midfield since 2006. Why hedge bets on staying there as against large investments and a driven management of one of the strongest brands in automotive sector?

 

Buybacks have not gone bad, Honda buyout and Mclaren buyback has gone well. Sauber not great, but they are still around. 

[New Britain]

Williams has been lower midfield since 2006. Why hedge bets on staying there as against large investments and a driven management of one of the strongest brands in automotive sector?

 

Buybacks have not gone bad, Honda buyout and Mclaren buyback has gone well. Sauber not great, but they are still around. 

There is a fair generalisation, but in both 2013 and 2014 Williams finished 3rd in Constructors.

[Henri Greuter]

There is a fair generalisation, but in both 2013 and 2014 Williams finished 3rd in Constructors.

In 2014 courtesy the superior Mercedes engine

Edited by Henri Greuter, 22 October 2022 - 15:13.

[Beri]

In 2014 courtesy the superior Mercedes engine

With McLaren and Force India ending 5th and 6th in the championship with an Mercedes engine and more than 150 points behind on Williams, I think it is fair to say Williams did an extremely good job that deserves more praise than just the engine.

But this doesn't take away the fact that Williams has been mediocre, since 2006, to say the least.

[New Britain]

In 2014 courtesy the superior Mercedes engine

You mean the same engine that was in the McLaren and the Force India cars?

[RA2]

There is a fair generalisation, but in both 2013 and 2014 Williams finished 3rd in Constructors.

 

 

 

You mean to say 2014 and 2015

 

They had a good car in 2012 too, but the team has not been able to sustain their development.  I don't see them competing for upper midfield positions any time soon. 

[flyboym3]

It is not an existential issue or crisis, if Porsche had majority then pulled out after 10 years buyers would be standing waving wads of cash as on a Friday afternoon in a Gentlemens club, any team is a very valuable commodity, going for it with Porsche would be most realistic chance since early 2000's to become truly relevant again.

Big miss by Dorilton.

Dorilton are not there to win but to monitise their investment of an exclusive club. They bought just at the right time and Claire sold at the wrong time in hindsight.

Selling to porsche means cashing in 1off now, I think dorilton know the longer they wait the more valuable their slot becomes.

I'd never sell Williams now that budget cap is here. They took all the financial risk when there was no cap to only sell when risk of going bankrupt now non existent is a poor business decision!

Edited by flyboym3, 22 October 2022 - 16:15.

[Henri Greuter]

You mean the same engine that was in the McLaren and the Force India cars?

Yes.

[WonderWoman61]

I was going to say change Red Bull to Williams if the latest rumours are anything to go by.