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#1 malomay

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Posted 10 August 2022 - 23:21

Hi all

 

just a quick question, which will undoubtedly illicit a quick answer.

 

Did the MK3 Capri compete under the Group A regulations in the British Touring car series once it was introduced ? (1983 ?)

 

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Mal.

 



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#2 arttidesco

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Posted 11 August 2022 - 02:30

Yes 

 

Mike Newman, Graham Goode, Brian Chatfield and Mark Hales all took part in MK III S models Mike finishing 4th in Class A.

 

https://www.driverdb...--class-a/1983/



#3 malomay

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Posted 11 August 2022 - 03:31

:up:



#4 Red Socks

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Posted 11 August 2022 - 08:13

Hi all

 

just a quick question, which will undoubtedly illicit a quick answer.

 

Did the MK3 Capri compete under the Group A regulations in the British Touring car series once it was introduced ? (1983 ?)

 

regards

 

Mal.

Perhaps elicit .



#5 Doug Nye

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Posted 11 August 2022 - 20:23

Perhaps 'illicit'?

 

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#6 malomay

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Posted 11 August 2022 - 22:32

Quick question, typed too quickly.

 

 ;)



#7 john aston

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 05:55

They might have been illicit if one T Walkinshaw had been involved. Some might say.... 



#8 70JesperOH

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 06:50

According to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia...ar_Championship Brian Chatfield was a parttime BSCC Capri racer as late as 1986. I think Australia had a couple of former Group C Capris as late as well, perhaps even in 1987. But in group A the car in either 2.8injection or 3.0S was never competitive.

 

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#9 Catalina Park

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 08:25

From what I recall cars that were eligible in Group 1 were allowed to continue into Group A even though they may not have met all the requirements for Group A. This only applied to a certain date and was to help get cars on the track.
I think this applied to the Capris, the Jaguar XJS and a few  other cars.
In some cases this handed the Group 1 cars an advantage. 

In the long term the mismatched turbo equivalency screwed it all up anyway. 



#10 Sterzo

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 09:26

They might have been illicit if one T Walkinshaw had been involved. Some might say.... 

Broadspeed also were praised for their imaginitive induction systems, if I recall correctly.



#11 Porsche718

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 23:18

I think there were a few teams in Australia who became quite "creative" with their rule interpretations.



#12 70JesperOH

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Posted 13 August 2022 - 04:08

From what I recall cars that were eligible in Group 1 were allowed to continue into Group A even though they may not have met all the requirements for Group A. This only applied to a certain date and was to help get cars on the track.
I think this applied to the Capris, the Jaguar XJS and a few  other cars.
In some cases this handed the Group 1 cars an advantage. 

I think that the emmediate advantage was soon eradicated by no new homologation parts - except the TWR led Jaguar XJ-S! About 20 different cars were genuine group A cars when the first round of the 1982 ETCC at Monza was held. So a tranfer from group 1 to A was needed.

 

Jesper



#13 BRG

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Posted 13 August 2022 - 08:28

Weren't pretty well ALL Gp1 and GpA touring cars illicit to some extent or another? 



#14 MCS

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Posted 13 August 2022 - 09:14

They might have been illicit if one T Walkinshaw had been involved. Some might say.... 

Talking of which, slightly off-kilter, does anybody have a copy of Motoring News that covered the final round of the 1978 BTCC at Oulton Park?  Mr Walkinshaw "won" that round and I am interested in seeing the race report.  Please PM me if you can assist in any way.  Thanks.



#15 Tim Murray

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Posted 13 August 2022 - 09:50

Here’s your report, Mark:

82-B1-BD34-11-AE-4-E70-A04-A-B8292-DE61-

#16 MCS

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Posted 13 August 2022 - 15:19

Thanks Tim.  I now suspect my memory is playing tricks - an increasing problem it would seem!



#17 malomay

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Posted 15 August 2022 - 04:12

From what I recall cars that were eligible in Group 1 were allowed to continue into Group A even though they may not have met all the requirements for Group A. This only applied to a certain date and was to help get cars on the track.
I think this applied to the Capris, the Jaguar XJS and a few  other cars.
In some cases this handed the Group 1 cars an advantage. 

In the long term the mismatched turbo equivalency screwed it all up anyway. 


 

 

 

Doesn't seem to have helped the Capris much, they seemed to be un-competitive as soon as group A was introduced. On the other hand, they were quite handy obviously in Group 1 over there & Group C here, I have memories of the the Masterton Homes Capris (Steve Masterton & Colin Bond) running very strongly at Bathurst in the Group C era, as well as a few others, Barry Seton amongst them.

 


Edited by malomay, 15 August 2022 - 04:14.