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#1 MarkusNeisius

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Posted 20 August 2022 - 08:06

Good morning,

 

i´m searching for information about the Talbot Darracq race cars and especially the "conversions" from the 50ths by Gigi Platé.

He used the "old" Talbots to create and update the technicals to get a new competitive race car. but the idea failed. 

 

but- i have the remains of the late Gigi Plate (it was cannabolized to build a replica of one of the "original" Talbot Darracq) special here and want to bring it to its former glory...

 

 

my best

Markus



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#2 Tim Murray

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Posted 20 August 2022 - 08:45

Here are a couple of earlier threads which may be of interest:

Enrico Platè

1949 Biondetti’s Platè special

#3 MarkusNeisius

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Posted 20 August 2022 - 12:16

Thank you Tim,

 

i knew these threads, but they have no specific information. if you can tell me how to upload a simple photo, i can post some...

 

...

my best

markus



#4 Tim Murray

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Posted 21 August 2022 - 11:56

Markus, did you receive the PM I sent you yesterday?

#5 DazCooper

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Posted 01 September 2022 - 10:44

Markus, did you receive the PM I sent you yesterday?

I suspect that, once you explained the steps necessary to post photographs on TNF, Markus, not surprisingly, lost the will to live…..



#6 Tim Murray

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Posted 01 September 2022 - 11:32

I did offer to do it for him, Adam, but so far he hasn’t sent me anything to post.

#7 Tim Murray

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Posted 21 September 2022 - 06:25

Posted on behalf of Markus:

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#8 bradbury west

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Posted 21 September 2022 - 08:57

Many thanks for posting, Tim, well worth the wait, and to Markus for making these photographs available. It is a remarkable “find” , especially in 2022. I look forward to progress reports. Fantastic condition and provenance.  A classic example of Jenks’  argument; tell them to show to you what they started with, then you can tell them what it is when it is  restored.

Roger Lund



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Posted 22 September 2022 - 03:12

Oh wow!



#10 Doug Nye

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Posted 22 September 2022 - 11:09

What a wonderful survivor.  A provenance chronology would make for fascinating reading - who, what, when?

 

DCN



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Posted 22 September 2022 - 12:56

Given that TNF is not a 'private' forum I'm always somewhat hesitant to share images of my archive as most of them are copyrighted and I have to upload them to postimage.org first in order for them to be shown here.

But I don't want to open that can of worms... Since I'm sure the following images are of interest I'll post them anyways. As they are copyrighted I have uploaded them in low resolution.

 

Here are some images of Biondetti in the Platé Talbot at Bremgarten in 1949. Images courtesy of Burgerbibliothek Bern. Original photographer Eugen Thierstein.

 

N-Eugen-Thierstein-Film-1648-27.jpg

 

N-Eugen-Thierstein-Film-1648-29.jpg

 

N-Eugen-Thierstein-Film-1648-30.jpg

 

N-Eugen-Thierstein-Film-1650-16.jpg

 

Best regards,

 

Kevin


Edited by Jahn1234567890, 22 September 2022 - 13:13.


#12 bradbury west

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Posted 22 September 2022 - 13:18

Kevin, many thanks for posting these photographs.

Roger Lund



#13 Tim Murray

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Posted 22 September 2022 - 13:41

Seconded.

#14 GaryJohnson

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Posted 22 September 2022 - 15:50

What a wonderful survivor.  A provenance chronology would make for fascinating reading - who, what, when?

 

DCN

The very comprehensive series of articles by Simon Moore, which appeared in ‘The Automobile’ in March April and May 2012, give a very thorough overview of the history of these cars, including, in the May 2012 article, plenty of detail on the history of the Plate car, for anyone who is unaware of its history.



#15 MarkusNeisius

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Posted 25 September 2022 - 20:11

yes, for sure. As far as the history is very clear and continously, there´re only a few details known.

just wondering, if there´re no technical datas availible from talbot factory? even the plate special competed in some races and nothing survived?

we´re coming next to an end with the reconstruction of the bodywork. it is more a meticulous archaeological effort then a restoration. but very happy to preserve as much as possible. - far away from glossy and shiny surfaces. 

 

so, any lead to the plate family is very welcome!



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Posted 25 October 2022 - 21:50

Given that TNF is not a 'private' forum I'm always somewhat hesitant to share images of my archive as most of them are copyrighted and I have to upload them to postimage.org first in order for them to be shown here.

But I don't want to open that can of worms... Since I'm sure the following images are of interest I'll post them anyways. As they are copyrighted I have uploaded them in low resolution.

 

Here are some images of Biondetti in the Platé Talbot at Bremgarten in 1949. Images courtesy of Burgerbibliothek Bern. Original photographer Eugen Thierstein.

 

N-Eugen-Thierstein-Film-1648-27.jpg

 

N-Eugen-Thierstein-Film-1648-29.jpg

 

N-Eugen-Thierstein-Film-1648-30.jpg

 

N-Eugen-Thierstein-Film-1650-16.jpg

 

Best regards,

 

Kevin

A truly wonderful set of photos, Kevin

Many thanks for sharing them.



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Posted 08 November 2022 - 19:18

I have found one further photo of this car post war.

 

Biondetti at Monza in June 1949

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Edited by jbbugatti, 08 November 2022 - 19:19.


#18 Jahn1234567890

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Posted 08 November 2022 - 21:47

This is Biondetti at the Gran Premio dell' Autodromo di Monza. An F2 race held at the 26th of June 1949. Since it was an F2 race the car must have run without its supercharger.



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Posted 08 November 2022 - 23:31

This is Biondetti at the Gran Premio dell' Autodromo di Monza. An F2 race held at the 26th of June 1949. Since it was an F2 race the car must have run without its supercharger.

Interesting, if you follow this link it states Biondetti drove a Maserati A6GCS and retired on Lap 11.

 

https://www.the-fast...la2/F249_16.htm



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#20 jbbugatti

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Posted 09 November 2022 - 00:37

Interesting, if you follow this link it states Biondetti drove a Maserati A6GCS and retired on Lap 11.

 

https://www.the-fast...la2/F249_16.htm

The F1 Register Black Book (Vol 4) has Biondetti, correctly, in a Plate Special.

 

FWIW I have not found the F2 Register site reliable.



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Posted 09 November 2022 - 00:53

Interesting, if you follow this link it states Biondetti drove a Maserati A6GCS and retired on Lap 11.

 

https://www.the-fast...la2/F249_16.htm

 

I don't tend to use these websites so I have no idea how reliable they are, but the attached image below of the start of the race clearly shows Biondetti in the Platé Talbot rather than a Maserati A6GCS.

 

49-06-26-Start-Monza.jpg