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#1 juicy sushi

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Posted 24 August 2022 - 13:35

So, I cannot find a 2022 thread for the series, which is fitting as being taken off youtube seems to have killed the attention being given to the series, even if access to it is still free (I think?).

 

Anyway, they've been making an effort to both improve the racing and the environmental friendliness of the series simultaneously, and seem to have settled on a solution for next year which does both:  https://www.motorspo...y-air/10356945/

 

50% less wake turbulence, 8-10% less overall downforce, greener tires, hemp bodywork, more sustainable fuel.  All worthy changes to basically the same car.  These should be things which really improves a product which no one is going to see since it's not at all easy to find.

 

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#2 William Hunt

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Posted 26 August 2022 - 00:26

You can still watch the races....if you pay for it. It's a great racing series, sadly behind paywall now.



#3 SB

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Posted 26 August 2022 - 01:32

The wet race in Motegi last weekend was interesting and exciting. Watching Alesi (jr) racing reminded me his dad in the wet in the "good old" days , a great show to display drivers' skill and courage (or some time lack of it)

 

I wondered how long I have not watched something like that in F1 -- F1 would just send out safety car or red flag the race in similar weather conditions.



#4 pacificquay

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Posted 26 August 2022 - 09:15

I just wish SF would have some more rounds, maybe 12.

 

7 weekends is too few.



#5 juicy sushi

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Posted 26 October 2022 - 13:29

So, the 2023 car has officially debuted, with the new bodywork that cuts downforce 15%, and reduces wake turbulence by nearly 50%, they claim.  It looks very similar to some of the changes Indycar and F1 made (with perhaps the front more like F1, and the back more like Indycar).  Hopefully it will have the intended effect, but we'll only get 7 races to find out (it's a really small calendar next year).

 

https://www.motorspo...-test/10390518/

 

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#6 Myrvold

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Posted 26 October 2022 - 13:36

but we'll only get 7 races to find out (it's a really small calendar next year).

 

That's not 100% confirmed is it? 7 weekends, but like this year, there might be double headers.



#7 juicy sushi

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Posted 26 October 2022 - 13:42

The official calendar seems to only indicate 7 weekends, but does not specify any double headers:

 

https://superformula...n/2022/08/9274/

 

So, I guess, maybe?  But as of right now, they're not saying there are any.



#8 danmills

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Posted 26 October 2022 - 14:12

Maybe we will see some F2 stars mingle multi formulae given how sparse the calendar is.

Pourchaire? Lawson?

#9 RA2

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 06:47

Too bad this series would not survive a trip to south Asia

 

1. Korea - Yeong am

2. China - Zhuhai

3. China - Chengdu

4. Macau - Guai

5. Vietnam - Hanoi Street Circuit

6. Thailand - Buriram

7. Malaysia - Sepang

8. Indonesia - Mandalika

9. Singapore - Marina Bay

 

They could also consider a trip down under, to Gold Coast, Adelaide, Melbourne. 


Edited by RA2, 27 October 2022 - 06:52.


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Posted 27 October 2022 - 07:01

Too bad this series would not survive a trip to south Asia

 

1. Korea - Yeong am

2. China - Zhuhai

3. China - Chengdu

4. Macau - Guai

5. Vietnam - Hanoi Street Circuit

6. Thailand - Buriram

7. Malaysia - Sepang

8. Indonesia - Mandalika

9. Singapore - Marina Bay

There are more interesting track in South Korea Inje Speedium. Lihpao International Circuit at Taiwan. Macau is not have enough category, i think, for such fast cars. Would be nice if SuperFormula can be with F1 at Shanghai and Singapore. And in Japan they does not use Tokachi Speedway, not bad circuit too. But, of course, all this not very possible because of double duty of most teams and drivers with Super GT. 



#11 RA2

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 08:20

There are more interesting track in South Korea Inje Speedium. Lihpao International Circuit at Taiwan. Macau is not have enough category, i think, for such fast cars. Would be nice if SuperFormula can be with F1 at Shanghai and Singapore. And in Japan they does not use Tokachi Speedway, not bad circuit too. But, of course, all this not very possible because of double duty of most teams and drivers with Super GT. 

 

 

They can also have Super GT  travel with them.



#12 juicy sushi

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 12:22

The JAF seem to feel that it is best to have a split card of Super GT events and Super Formula events alternating.  I think it would be smart to try for some overseas expansion, but the organizers do not seem to be that ambitious, and perhaps the manufacturers do not wish to fund such a push, and since the entire series is basically floated by Honda and Toyota, I can understand the reluctance on the part of the series organizers.

 

3 years of this greener, more fun version, and then we see what the long term vision is for the series.  I would expect they might want to continue to use the same engine formula as Super GT, for cost reasons, and perhaps both use Indycar's formula for that same reason, but I do wonder if they might feel the push to try something different.  We get so little reporting in English on the actual paddock and decision-making in the series, so it's very hard to know.



#13 RA2

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 13:18

Krating Daeng should take it and run it like Red Bull MotoGP Rookies Cup



#14 juicy sushi

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 14:38

They couldn't afford it.  The series is not exactly a cheap thing.  But if they wanted to title sponsor it and pay for a few non-Japanese rounds, that could be a good idea.



#15 RA2

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 14:55

They couldn't afford it.  The series is not exactly a cheap thing.  But if they wanted to title sponsor it and pay for a few non-Japanese rounds, that could be a good idea.

 

 

If anybody can do it it is Krating Daeng/Red Bull. The series already has the support of Honda and Toyota, who can increase the support for a more international calendar. Going International to the thickly populated South Asian market could get Nissan and VW (who both have engines) to join the series.



#16 juicy sushi

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 15:10

Yeah, but, it's pretty clear that Honda and Toyota don't want to do that, and Nissan want so little to do with it, they're fine with their top Super GT teams being Toyota teams in Super Formula.  Also, while Red Bull has money, they don't have the thing that would be necessary:influence with JAF.  JAF don't seem to want to sell the series, and are happy with it not growing.  What your willing to pay doesn't matter if the other guy just isn't interested in selling.



#17 RA2

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 15:21

  Also, while Red Bull has money, they don't have the thing that would be necessary:influence with JAF.  

 

 

 

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But right now no interest from Red Bull to go big in South Asia



#18 juicy sushi

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 15:44

A couple of guys at Honda is not influence over JAF.

#19 William Hunt

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Posted 27 October 2022 - 15:50

I just wish SF would have some more rounds, maybe 12.

 

7 weekends is too few.

 

I know but that's because most Super Formula drivers combine it with Japanese Super Super GT so in reality they are doing twice as much races

PS: it looks like Théo Pourchaire will most likely drive in Super Formula next year, he said himself that he is negotiating with SF teams for next year to combine that with a testing role at Sauber.


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#20 HistoryFan

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Posted 29 October 2022 - 06:06

wasn't there a rookie test session this season?



#21 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 29 October 2022 - 11:25

Is it not possible that they keep it at a low number of races to make it economically possible to participate? That they do not kill their premier series though making it cost to much for the teams to stay afloat?



#22 juicy sushi

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Posted 29 October 2022 - 12:36

It's possible.  The teams are all domestic with domestic-only sponsors, so the pool of available money is less, since the series is lower-profile than Super GT.



#23 HistoryFan

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Posted 06 November 2022 - 12:14

Let's have a look like the field could looks like in Super Formula in 2023.

 

=> Raoul Hyman is champion in Formula Regional Americas season and can have an Honda powered seat in Super Formula.

=> Team Goh will leave Super Formula after they lost backing from Red Bull to Team Mugen.

=> B-Max will expand to 2 cars, so we will have 9 Honda drivers and 11 Toyota drivers

=> Liam Lawson or Ren Sato are in talks to join Mugen in place of Ukyo Sasahara

=> Ukyo Sasahara could move to Dandelion to replace Hiroki Otsu

=> Roberto Merhi is rumoured to drive the 2nd B-Max car

=> Sacha Fenestraz will not return to Super Formula after he joint the field in Formula E, at least in the first half of the Super Formula season: A new international driver or Super Formula Lights champion Kazuto Kotaka are in talks to replace him.

=> Veteran driver Kazuya Oshima could possibly retire from Super Formula

=> Honda is open to run Matthew Brabham in Super Formula in 2023 (or Linus Lunqvist)

 

Mugen-Honda: Tomoki Nojiri, Liam Lawson

Impul-Toyota: Ryo Hirakawa, Yuhi Sekiguchi

Kondo-Toyota: Kenta Yamashita, Kazuto Kotaka

Dandelion-Honda: Tadasuki Makino, Ukyo Sasahara

Nakajima-Honda: Toshiki Oyu, Naoki Yamamoto

TOM's-Toyota: Ritomo Miyata, Giuliano Alesi

Cerumo-Toyota: Sho Tsuboi, Sena Sakaguchi

B-Max-Honda: Nobuharu Matshushita, Roberto Merhi

KCMG-Toyota: Yuji Kunimoto, Kamui Kobayashi

Drago-Honda: Nirei Fukuzumi

Rookie-Toyota: Kazuya Oshima               



#24 FLB

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Posted 06 November 2022 - 14:33

Actually took the time to watch a full race for the first time yesterday (the last round in Suzuka). REV TV carries the series in Canada  :up: Took me forever to figure the green/red/blinking green light on the roll hoop.



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Posted 06 November 2022 - 14:37

I watched the Super GT finale to the detriment of my sleep schedule and even though my favorite, the #3 Nissan didn't win, I was happy for the #12 Impul Nissan crew of Hiramine and Baguette.

A great series.



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Posted 07 November 2022 - 06:01

Took me forever to figure the green/red/blinking green light on the roll hoop.

 

That is the status light of push-to-pass for the TV viewers.



#27 William Hunt

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Posted 07 November 2022 - 13:22

=> Raoul Hyman is champion in Formula Regional Americas season and can have an Honda powered seat in Super Formula.

 

For which team will he drive then?



#28 HistoryFan

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Posted 07 November 2022 - 16:14

I watched the Super GT finale to the detriment of my sleep schedule and even though my favorite, the #3 Nissan didn't win, I was happy for the #12 Impul Nissan crew of Hiramine and Baguette.

A great series.

 

It's a shame Nissan isn't involved in Super Formula...

 



#29 HistoryFan

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Posted 07 November 2022 - 16:14

For which team will he drive then?

 

It's not decided yet. And it's even not decided if he will go to Super Formula, it's just an invitation and it is said he will be part of the rookie-test in December.
 



#30 juicy sushi

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Posted 08 November 2022 - 03:28

It's a shame Nissan isn't involved in Super Formula...

Nissan has a very low commitment to motorsport, historically. They’ve only ever done a little bit of sport scars and Formula E.

#31 noriaki

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Posted 08 November 2022 - 07:32

Also a bit of Group A touring cars, super tourers and WRC. :)

#32 HistoryFan

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Posted 08 November 2022 - 09:20

I am waiting for the day "Dragon" sill drive Super Formula... :drunk:



#33 JvsKVB77

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Posted 08 November 2022 - 10:11

Marko confirmed Lawson move to Super Formula

 

 

Marko: Hadjar driving formula 2. Crawford is still in the process. Iwasa, too. We also have a few new drivers, we announce yet. Lawson was in his F1 Test very quickly. He will drive next year in Japan and one of our reserve driver for formula-1.

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#34 pacificquay

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Posted 08 November 2022 - 10:24

Looks like Theo Pourchaire will replace Fenestraz



#35 juicy sushi

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Posted 08 November 2022 - 14:38

Looks like Theo Pourchaire will replace Fenestraz

Probably a good choice, he has nothing left to prove in F2, and might as well show his capabilities in a different kind of challenge.



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Posted 27 November 2022 - 15:01

First (Toyota) drivers confirmed:

 

Mugen-Honda: Tomoki Nojiri?, Liam Lawson?

Impul-Toyota: Ryo Hirakawa, Yuhi Sekiguchi

Kondo-Toyota: Kenta Yamashita, Kazuto Kotaka

Dandelion-Honda: Tadasuki Makino?, Ukyo Sasahara?

Nakajima-Honda: Toshiki Oyu?, Naoki Yamamoto?

TOM's-Toyota: Ritomo Miyata, Giuliano Alesi?

Cerumo-Toyota: Sho Tsuboi, Sena Sakaguchi

B-Max-Honda: Nobuharu Matshushita?, Roberto Merhi?

KCMG-Toyota: Yuji Kunimoto, Kamui Kobayashi

Drago-Honda: Nirei Fukuzumi?

Rookie-Toyota: Kazuya Oshima     



#37 William Hunt

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Posted 28 November 2022 - 05:01

Raoul Hyman should also have a Super Formula seat next year



#38 HistoryFan

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Posted 03 December 2022 - 07:42

only a test is confirmed so far.



#39 HistoryFan

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Posted 08 December 2022 - 21:12

Liam Lawson tested for Mugen

Cem Bolukbasi and Ren Sato also tested for Honda

Dandelion had Kakunarhin Ohta in one if its cars.

Igor Fraga for Impul.

Raoul Hyman for B-Max.



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#40 FLB

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Posted 12 December 2022 - 11:24

Red Bull F1 reserve Lawson heads to Super Formula (f1i.com)



#41 HistoryFan

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Posted 16 December 2022 - 21:33

Field almost completed. Hoped for more Non-Japanese drivers.

 

Mugen-Honda: Tomoki Nojiri, Liam Lawson

Impul-Toyota: Ryo Hirakawa, Yuhi Sekiguchi

Kondo-Toyota: Kenta Yamashita, Kazuto Kotaka

Dandelion-Honda: Tadasuki Makino, Kakunoshin Ohta

Nakajima-Honda: Naoki Yamamoto, Ren Sato

TOM's-Toyota: Ritomo Miyata, Giuliano Alesi?

Cerumo-Toyota: Sho Tsuboi, Sena Sakaguchi

B-Max-Honda: Nobuharu Matshushita, Raoul Hyman

KCMG-Toyota: Yuji Kunimoto, Kamui Kobayashi

Drago-Honda: Nirei Fukuzumi

Rookie-Toyota: Kazuya Oshima