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[noikeee]

Practice is practice, stop with the nonsense Stefano. Want the championship to be settled on a Friday mid afternoon?

[Planetdune]

I think a football game is very long at 90mins… even with the whole swappy goals stuff after 45 mins

What if instead of halves they instead played 4x13 min quarters… and there’s two other goals on the long side of the pitch… so when those two quarters are played, they are playing on a pitch that’s half as long but twice as wide

And they get championship/league points per goal rather than who wins.

See - I can fix boring sports too!

 

hmmmm.. i would actually watch this.. something fresh.

[absinthedude]

As if sprint races were not bad enough, now Domenicalli is pushing an even more ridiculous idea.

 

EVERY session (bar FP1) should have "points or an award" to increase the intensity of the weekend.

 

This is so wrong - practice sessions are just that, qualifying should be to set the grid.

 

The race is what it's all about - and that's where you should earn your points and rewards.

 

 

 

https://the-race.com...format-changes/

 

He's either not taking his medication, or he's taking the wrong substances.

[absinthedude]

I think a football game is very long at 90mins… even with the whole swappy goals stuff after 45 mins

What if instead of halves they instead played 4x13 min quarters… and there’s two other goals on the long side of the pitch… so when those two quarters are played, they are playing on a pitch that’s half as long but twice as wide

And they get championship/league points per goal rather than who wins.

See - I can fix boring sports too!

 

 

And points are awarded if players impress a team of judges during training sessions. Special bonus points for keepy-uppy prowess. And Fernando Alonso involved somehow, maybe judging from his deckchair. 

 

Additionally each quarter is sold as "a match" to give 4x the fees. 

[PayasYouRace]

Practice is practice, stop with the nonsense Stefano. Want the championship to be settled on a Friday mid afternoon?

That is exactly what happened in 1987.

 

This is a poor argument, because it’s equally likely a championship could be kept open with a Friday points haul. There are plenty of good arguments as to why there shouldn’t be points awarded to non-competitive sessions, but this isn’t one of them.

[pdac]

I see a complete rejection of the idea by most (if not all) posters in this thread.

 

Why do you think it would be so bad? What is(are) the point(s) that makes you take it so negatively?

 

As I posted before, I think it's a reasonably good idea.

 

Because it goes against the fundamental idea of a race - that you earn points by finishing in as high a position as possible. Once you start (and they have) awarding points for this and that, then it (for me) loses its value and loses its way. I have no problem with adding extra contests - far from it.

[FullThrottleF1]

Stefano really does come out with bad takes doesn't he?

[Rediscoveryx]

Stefano really does come out with bad takes doesn't he?

 

I think it's just classic politics.

 

1) Suggest something incredibly stupid.

 

2) Roll anticipated public outrage.

 

3) Retract Suggestion 1 and instead suggest the thing that you wanted to push through in the first place. Which is similar to Suggestion 1, but more reasonable.

 

4) Public outrage is limited as the new suggestion "at least is better than Suggestion 1".

Edited by Rediscoveryx, 27 August 2022 - 09:59.

[noikeee]

I think it's just classic politics.

1) Suggest something incredibly stupid.

2) Roll anticipated public outrage.

3) Retract Suggestion 1 and instead suggest the thing that you wanted to push through in the first place. Which is similar to Suggestion 1, but more reasonable.

4) Public outrage is limited as the new suggestion "at least is better than Suggestion 1".

Good point. Classic Bernie tactics.

[absinthedude]

Because it goes against the fundamental idea of a race - that you earn points by finishing in as high a position as possible. Once you start (and they have) awarding points for this and that, then it (for me) loses its value and loses its way. I have no problem with adding extra contests - far from it.

 

 

This. So much this. F1 does not award points for pole, or practise (does any motorsport do the latter?). The sport/entertainment evolves over the decades but certain aspects are constant. You get practise, and some sort of qualifying to determine the grid...and points are awarded for a race (the "grand prix") which takes place after practise and qualifying. To me at least, that is a vital part of the "DNA" of grand prix racing. The rest is setting the scene....building up to the big race. 

 

This is why I am so vehemently against the current sprint race format. I've nothing against determining the grid with a short(ish) race, but awarding points for it is just not something I can ever accept as part of the WDC. It just feels so wrong, fundamentally so. The sprint race is different to anything tried before but it's not fundamentally against anything that is at the core of the world championship. I don't think it's necessary and I think it has downsides but in itself it's not a deal breaker. 

 

 

 

4) Public outrage is limited as the new suggestion "at least is better than Suggestion 1".

 

That is also my worry. Max Mosely loved to do this....I want to know what Stefano's real agenda is. Don't pussy-foot around. Don't beat about the bush. Straight communication, please. You can eff right off with your game playing.

[Wuzak]

None of that would be affected by the proposal. No point would would be awarded for practice. Just some points could be deducted, if a team sees it wise, in exchange of practice time. It can't artificially benefit any team.

 

This sport is not fair, it never was and its not intended to be. Your ideal world where teams come and race in perfect conditions doesn't exist, never existed. I'm sure a long-term fan like you will agree on that. Do you think that sorting the teams according to their respective budgets goes in the direction of the spirit of the sport?

 

Dom's proposal would help levelling the field, without affecting the essence of racing. It is much better tan ballast, reverse grids or other systems proposed in the past.

 

I also disagree with sprint races, but I think this proposal is a much better idea.

 

From the article posted in the OP, the proposal is that there is one session where points would not be awarded - FP1. All other sessions would have some sort of points attached.

 

To what proposal are you referring?

[DeKnyff]

From the article posted in the OP, the proposal is that there is one session where points would not be awarded - FP1. All other sessions would have some sort of points attached.

 

To what proposal are you referring?

 

My apologies.

 

I had understood that you could trade points for more practice sessions. I'll delete my posts.

[RacingGreen]

I think it's just classic politics.

 

1) Suggest something incredibly stupid.

 

2) Roll anticipated public outrage.

 

3) Retract Suggestion 1 and instead suggest the thing that you wanted to push through in the first place. Which is similar to Suggestion 1, but more reasonable.

 

4) Public outrage is limited as the new suggestion "at least is better than Suggestion 1".

 

So what do you think his "more reasonable" idea is ?

 

Maybe, (off the top of my head and without any evidence whatsoever,);

 

Reasonably crazy idea A) Maximising the number of cars on track at all times in practice by having a minimum number of laps they have to complete each session or face some sort of grid penalties. 

or 

Reasonably crazy idea B) Some times set in free practice are carried over into qualifying somehow (I don't know how perhaps your best practice time is carried forward into Q1.

Edited by RacingGreen, 27 August 2022 - 22:58.