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#1 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:37

Is the Ferrari 2022 story one of, if not, THE biggest failure in modern F1 history?

Between strategy calls, reliability, driving errors and other factors, it’s surely got to be up there. To have had the performance advantage over Merc over the course of the season so far, to only be circa 40 points ahead, is absolutely criminal.

Mclaren 2007 comes to mind as possibly worse, but is there any other season where a team with at worst the second best car, has so patently performed so badly as this Ferrari team? It’s actually mortifying how things have gone.

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#2 STRFerrari4Ever

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:38

Absolutely unacceptable and I hope these failures eat away at them because they’ve caused them all by themselves. Will they learn from it? I doubt it but such humiliation on a consistent basis after producing their best car in over 14 years LOL

#3 FLB

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:40

Is the Ferrari 2022 story one of, if not, THE biggest failure in F1 history?
 

No and not by a longshot.

 

 

EX: Bugatti in 1956, Aston Martin in 1959, Ligier post-1985 considering the budget they had, etc.



#4 George Costanza

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:40

Ever since Ross Brawn and Michael Schumacher left Ferrari, they been quite terrible in the strategy department.

I believe this truly says lot about how good Michael was.

#5 chrcol

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:40

I remember the mclaren season, with lewis and button, lewis fighting for title, and the team was concentrating on second driver button and messing up lewis pitstops almost every race.



#6 OvDrone

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:41

Honestly, if it wouldn't be for Ferrari, this season would be utterly forgettable. 



#7 jpm2019

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:41

Yes they are. They win by being consistant in failing. It is quite an achievement really.



#8 jacdaniel

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:41

I mean, that decision to go for fastest lap was pretty terrible. Absolute amateur hour

#9 TheFish

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:42

It’s been embarrassing. With a better driver maybe they could have won in 2017 or 2018 but this is a different level. Leclerc has been rapid but made a couple of errors and there has been so many errors. It shows how good Mercedes have been and Red Bull are now. Levels above Ferrari.

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:42

Is the Ferrari 2022 story one of, if not, THE biggest failure in F1 history?

Between strategy calls, reliability, driving errors and other factors, it’s surely got to be up there. To have had the performance advantage over Merc over the course of the season so far, to only be circa 40 points ahead, is absolutely criminal.

Mclaren 2007 comes to mind as possibly worse, but is there any other season where a team with at worst the second best car so patently bad as this Ferrari team?



2007 was because Ron Dennis couldn't handle it.

#11 Disgrace

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:43

I remember the mclaren season, with lewis and button, lewis fighting for title, and the team was concentrating on second driver button and messing up lewis pitstops almost every race.

 

Yeah. McLaren in 2012 is probably the only comparison in the years I have watched F1 in terms of the sheer inept handling of a potentially championship-winning year. I think that's how the thread should be phrased.



#12 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:44

Yeah. McLaren in 2012 is probably the only comparison in the years I have watched F1 in terms of the sheer inept handling of a potentially championship-winning year. I think that's how the thread should be phrased.


I’ve changed it to ‘modern history’. This is way worse than Mclaren 2012.

Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 28 August 2022 - 14:44.


#13 SenorSjon

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:45

Couldn't we just continue in the previous strategy thread? It is an ongoing theme after all.

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:45

Is the Ferrari 2022 story one of, if not, THE biggest failure in modern F1 history?

Between strategy calls, reliability, driving errors and other factors, it’s surely got to be up there. To have had the performance advantage over Merc over the course of the season so far, to only be circa 40 points ahead, is absolutely criminal.

Mclaren 2007 comes to mind as possibly worse, but is there any other season where a team with at worst the second best car so patently bad as this Ferrari team?

 

Yes,

 

it's been terrible from them. Almost like they did not even want to win races. 



#15 Button4life

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:46

Yeah. McLaren in 2012 is probably the only comparison in the years I have watched F1 in terms of the sheer inept handling of a potentially championship-winning year. I think that's how the thread should be phrased.

The McLaren was very unreliable to be fair. The team operation wasn't great but it wasn't anywhere as bad as Ferrari. Ferrari is a whole different level of incompetence.



#16 Garagista

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:46

I start Watching F1 in 94, might not be the biggest failure, but the most embarrassing, that I dont doubt it.

 

It has been embarrassing because every single week they do something dumb, It is just a question of waiting some laps to assist to the magic happening!



#17 chrcol

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:47

If it makes you guys feel better, I think even without the mistakes, RB would be winning this title, their upgrades are massive every season, so to beat them need to be dominating them early season. 



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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:48

It’s a terrible failure but Red Bull has probably had the fastest car over the past several races. Even if Leclerc/Ferrari hadn’t made their mistakes, the outcome would still be the same albeit with a lower points gap. Max is driving very well, the RB package has very few flaws, and the pit wall never gets it wrong.

#19 AvranaKern

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:49

They have become some sort of an amusement park attraction. I sometimes tune in to races just to check what they are displaying inside their tent.



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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:50

Biggest waste of a potentially title winning car since Williams in 1995 I reckon. The worst thing is that it’s a mixture of making the same mistakes repeatedly and finding new ones. Pretty terrible. Proof that coming up with a quick car is only a small part of the job. Mercedes fully deserve to finish above them in the constructors, in fact I’m kind of hoping they do.

#21 George Costanza

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:51

Biggest waste of a potentially title winning car since Williams in 1995 I reckon. The worst thing is that it’s a mixture of making the same mistakes repeatedly and finding new ones. Pretty terrible. Proof that coming up with a quick car is only a small part of the job. Mercedes fully deserve to finish above them in the constructors, in fact I’m kind of hoping they do.


Williams 1995 were far better than 2022 Ferrari.

#22 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:53

Biggest waste of a potentially title winning car since Williams in 1995 I reckon. The worst thing is that it’s a mixture of making the same mistakes repeatedly and finding new ones. Pretty terrible. Proof that coming up with a quick car is only a small part of the job. Mercedes fully deserve to finish above them in the constructors, in fact I’m kind of hoping they do.


1995 was always solely down to Hill losing his marbles every other race.

#23 George Costanza

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:55

1995 was always solely down to Hill losing his marbles every other race.


Yup. Damon had a terrible year driving. I am sure if he drove on his level of 1994, he would have challenged Michael for the championship.

#24 SCUDmissile

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 14:58

McLaren 2012 is the only one that comes close but this is far worse

Absolutely pathetic effort.

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:05

Ferrari 2022 story THE biggest failure in modern WORLD history?



#26 RA2

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:07

It’s been embarrassing. With a better driver maybe they could have won in 2017 or 2018 but this is a different level. Leclerc has been rapid but made a couple of errors and there has been so many errors. It shows how good Mercedes have been and Red Bull are now. Levels above Ferrari.

 

 

Absolute rubbish. Vettel failed in 2017 and 2018 because the team was out developed by Mercedes, just as it is happening in 2022


Edited by RA2, 28 August 2022 - 15:07.


#27 messy

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:07

1995 was always solely down to Hill losing his marbles every other race.


Nah it wasn’t, Benetton completely out-strategized Willisms too.

It wasn’t as bad as 2022, though.

#28 Marklar

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:13

Yeah. McLaren in 2012 is probably the only comparison in the years I have watched F1 in terms of the sheer inept handling of a potentially championship-winning year. I think that's how the thread should be phrased.

I dont think McLaren was this bad. Unreliability is obviously incompetence in a way, but it's more of a performance exchange in a way as well.

They obviously also had terrible pitstops etc. but it didnt cost them really many wins. In a bunch of races the car was simply too slow.



#29 TheAviator

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:15

As far as Ferrari goes, for sure. As Ferrari fan, this season has been worse to watch then 2020 one.

Its trainwreck of incredibly proportions, hardly believable that professional F1 team can get it so, so wrong. Inexcusable, want to see sacking at this point.

Edited by TheAviator, 28 August 2022 - 15:16.


#30 Ramon69

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:18

It’s been embarrassing. With a better driver maybe they could have won in 2017 or 2018 but this is a different level. Leclerc has been rapid but made a couple of errors and there has been so many errors. It shows how good Mercedes have been and Red Bull are now. Levels above Ferrari.

When the deficit is this big, I don't think you can blame that much on him, he lost a lot less points compared to his team. Every driver makes mistakes during a season, the problem is that Ferrari ****ed up so many damn times, that he has to be perfect, but even then, he has no chance of winning !  :lol:  :D



#31 Leibowitz

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:19

I dont think McLaren was this bad. Unreliability is obviously incompetence in a way, but it's more of a performance exchange in a way as well.

They obviously also had terrible pitstops etc. but it didnt cost them really many wins. In a bunch of races the car was simply too slow.


I agree. While they had some comical mistakes like underfueling Lewis in Spain the decisive factor was reliability and car being nowhere in couple of races.

#32 Disgrace

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:19

I dont think McLaren was this bad. Unreliability is obviously incompetence in a way, but it's more of a performance exchange in a way as well.

They obviously also had terrible pitstops etc. but it didnt cost them really many wins. In a bunch of races the car was simply too slow.

 

Definitely agreed that this year from Ferrari has been worse, just through the sheer creativity of ways to ruin their races alone!



#33 Astandahl

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:20

It's the worst season i've ever seen in Formula 1, that's for sure.



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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:22

They had never been close to the FL time and yet they risked a position in a desperate attempt to get it. I love Ferrari, but I did laugh out loud at their failure. Right now, it seems like that is the only kind of entertainment they can offer. 



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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:25

It's safe to say that HAAS and Williams would do a much better job fighting for the titles with this car, in fact, give it to any other team than Ferrari on the grid and we would at least have a fight!


Edited by Ramon69, 28 August 2022 - 15:26.


#36 Ali_G

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:27

It's the worst season i've ever seen in Formula 1, that's for sure.

 


How long you watching? Some of the MS / Vettel / Merc years were much worse. 2004 was a complete joke.

#37 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:30


How long you watching? Some of the MS / Vettel / Merc years were much worse. 2004 was a complete joke.


I think this is referring to Ferrari only

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:31

This season has been just bad for Ferrari. So many lost points and chances it is unbelievable.

 

Shame that this is robbing us of title fight aswell.



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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:32

I think this is referring to Ferrari only

 


Frustration wise, most certainly.

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#40 Disgrace

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:33

It's the worst season i've ever seen in Formula 1, that's for sure.

 

This is not a patch on 2013. We don't even have the glorious Buddh International Circuit to look forward to.



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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:38

I’ve changed it to ‘modern history’. This is way worse than Mclaren 2012.

 

Not quite yet, but it's getting there.  Especially so if they have now dropped far behind Red Bull.  It turns into a championship where they should have been fighting to hang on, into one where they will be trounced out of sight.  The radio comms today too with regards strategy seemed nonsense too, as if they were afraid now to make a decision, despite having all the data.



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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:48

Whats the tally of points lost so far?

2012 I recall James Allen calculated circa 120 points mclaren lost for hamilton.

I don't think in the end it matters this year as rbr have outdwveloped them so any theoretical lead they had they weren't gonna keep anyway.

Edited by flyboym3, 28 August 2022 - 15:49.


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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:49

I think the OP has it right with 2007 being possibly worse. To my mind failure due to incompetence in competition and bad luck (Ferrari now) is different than incompetence in managing internally. Ferrari has had a heap of reliability and driver error issues which can happen in competition, not to mention RB has their **** together in all phases (maybe except for the first 3 races).



#44 prty

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:51

While Ferrari operations have been awful, when you discount their mistakes, if you discount Verstappen reliability problems too, Verstappen would still be ahead anyway. So it didn't really influence the WDC.



#45 Jazza

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:51

It’s got so bad, it’s only a question of what will run out first. Ammunition or meat on their feet.

#46 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:52

Surely Binotto needs to go at this stage?

 

Will be a bloodbath at Monza in 2 weeks time.


Edited by Ev0d3vil, 28 August 2022 - 15:52.


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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:54

I dont think McLaren was this bad. Unreliability is obviously incompetence in a way, but it's more of a performance exchange in a way as well.
 

Exactly - a fact that often is ignored: 'They have such a fast car, if only they didn't have such bad luck with reliability!'

 

This trade-off may extend to tyre failures (which are almost always consigned to 'luck').



#48 FullThrottleF1

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:56

Surely Binotto needs to go at this stage?

 

Will be a bloodbath at Monza in 2 weeks time.

Everyone at Ferrari top-level needs to be sacked. Then they should hire the best people, not just Italians



#49 Roadhouse

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:56

Their engineers and driver(s) are really let down by the rest. It's like they created a fantasy team and put all points into those 2 skills.



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Posted 28 August 2022 - 15:56

Mclaren 2012 comes close, but people also forget Hamilton wasn't mature that season and got into a lot of crashes and incidents where he could have avoided and won easily.