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#1 Nemo1965

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 12:54

And... it is going to happen... again. If paranoid posters dig in archives, they will find that Nemo1965, practically born in Zandvoort (my parents lived there, I was born in a hospital in Amsterdam), was very skeptical this new GP at Zandvoort was going to happen at all the first time, and I only believed it when it was actually was happening. Then Nemo1965 could not imagine Max not succumbing to the HUGE pressure (if you are not Dutch and not a Max-fan blinded by the light, you can not imagine what pressure there was) and flunking either his qualifying (he did not), his race (he did not). Then, after the race, said person thought ‘Enjoy it, Max Fanboys, because I am not sure there will be another Dutch GP next year.’ Aaaaaaand… wrong again.

So after eating humble pie several times in a row, noblesse oblige... and I feel obliged to write my first opening thread for a race. It is perhaps superflous to mention that this was the first time a Dutch F1-driver put a car on pole at his own race, scored a podium there, win the bloody thing. So many firsts.

But Zandvoort historically had a lot of firsts… and a lot of last things, also. If I forget some memorable things, please enlighten me. Here’s what I know:

1975: First win for James Hunt (and only win for the Hesketh F1-team), by virtue of a smart pitstop. Dutch driver Gijs van Lennep, by the way, finish 10th in that race. Read here for a nice back-story, told by the man himself.

1967: Jim Clark gave the first victory, in the back of the ground-breaking Lotus 49, to the Ford Cosworth V8, arguably the best F1-engine ever. Not in power, but in accessibility and affordability. It can not be repeated enough that this engine was developed with and for the Lotus-team… and that Colin Chapman could have ‘hawked’ this engine for himself… meaning that Lotus could have had a Mercedes-like engine-advantage for say, ten years. But Chapman urged Ford to bring the Cossy to the open market. Which opened the way for many other teams and drivers to show their true worth.

1962: Carel Godin de Beaufort became the first Dutch driver to score world-championship points, by finishing 6th at his home-race. The squire died at the Nurburgring in 1965, my birth year. My parents knew Carel quite well, a shame I never could have met him.

1959: The first (and only victory) of Jo Bonnier, in the BRM. He also scored pole-position for this race, so that was not a fluke. Jo died at Le Mans, in 1972.

1952: Dries van der Lof became the first Dutchman to start in a F1-race, together with Dries Flinterman - who got into the race by a crowd-funding avant la lettre.

1949: The first GP at Zandvoort outright was won by Prince Bira (Thailand) in a Maserati. Probably the first and last GP won by royalty?

And there are some notable last events:

1985: Last win for Niki Lauda, in a blood-curling finish ahead of his teammate Alain Prost, who would win the championship that year. Lauda won the race at Zandvoort three times, by the way. One less than the record holder. (Jacky Stewart also had three wins at Zandvoort. (In that duel Dutch driver Huub Rothengatter had a nice cameo, in that he hindered Prost just enough to thwart an overtake when both McLaren-drivers lapped him).

1982: Last win for Didier Pironi, who was destined to win the worldchampionship that year but he died in a totally unnecessary accident in the rain at Hockenheim. Last home GP for Jan Lammers, also, in the Theodore.

1978: Last win for Mario Andretti, in the famous 1-2 with his teammate Ronnie Peterson sticking to his tailpipe for most of the race (the only time this happened that year, actually, but the myth became every race for the Lotus-cars in 1978 was like this. Really, that was not the case.

1967: Already mentioned, but Jim Clark won for the fourth time at Zandvoort and this was his last time there. A record number of wins there, thus. I am very doubtful Verstappen will get the chance to break that record, but like I mentioned at the beginning of this post: I've been wrong before about Zandvoort and so forth... )

The old track had some very notable accidents. Many drivers admitted to be wary of the infamous Tarzan-corner. Jacques Laffite admitted he always braked on the inside of the corner, so that IF something went wrong, he would have room to play around before he crashed. Other drivers did not always take that safety measure. John Watson had a colossal off in 1980, Daly had a spectacular accident that same year and in 1982 Rene Arnoux lost a front wheel when he braked for Tarzan… not a nice thing.


Not so pleasant incidents, and actually none at the scary Tarzan-corner:

Zandvoort has also had some very nasty, controversial and deadly moments. Chris Lambert died in a F3-accident, after touching wheels with Clay Regazzoni. Chris' father felt that Regazzoni had caused his son's death and attempted to get Regazzoni prosecuted or banned. Finally, on November 14th 1971, over three years from the date of the accident an official report was published by the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile. It stated that Regazzoni was guilty of "a mistake in appreciation, but not of serious negligence". The report went on to say that the "audacity" of a driver was impossible to monitor. Implying that it was probably not the best place to make that overtaking manoeuvre. (Source: https://www.historicracing.com/driverDetail.cfm?driverID=3292)

Dan Guerney had (arguably) his worst accident of his career at Zandvoort, he got only some light wounds (I assume, because there is a picture where he's walking away from the accident). One young spectator died in the accident.

In 1970 Piers Courage died in a fiery accident, an event for which the safety-measures of the track got a lot of serious flak. The track was renewed, renovated, new safety-measures were put in place… and in 1973 Roger Williamson crashed and flipped his car (because a puncture, I believe). It burst out in flames, and Williamson could not get out. Millions of tv-viewers then saw fellow driver David Purley try to save Williamson’s life. The fire-marshals did not dare to get near to the burning car, the fire-truck was not allowed to drive against the traffic, the race was not red-flagged, apparently because most present believed (other F1-drivers, the tv-pundits) that the driver was out of the car (they thought it was Purley). Nemo1965 actually believes that this accident was the cause that so many Dutch journalists resented F1-racing for a long time and were very hostile to it. Certainly this accident led to more safety measure put in place, not only in Zandvoort, but at all races.

And now the past has shone it not always pleasant light, what can we expect for 2022? I think this might be the last track for Ferrari to try to hit a dent into Verstappens and Red Bull's armour. The new Zandvoort-track is very tight, not very scary any more (in the eyes of Nemo1965, who drove there calmly himself and was driven maniacally around the old track). It should suit the Ferrari’s best… and I think that the Dutch fans would not even be rioting would Max be beaten for once. Traffic will be tight, but last year bikes, trains and busses were excellent alternatives. I would not dare to thread there, but if you can stand crowds, everything will be fine.

PS: I had pictures for every paragraph, but I can't seem to post them.

PPS:And if another poster would like to add what the tire-allocation will be, ditto. I could not be bothered to know, I'll find out when the cars roll out on the grid, Sunday. Have fun!


Edited by Nemo1965, 29 August 2022 - 18:00.


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#2 MKSixer

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 12:57

Fantastic thread for this weeks race, Nemo!!!!  

 

I love this historical contexts you place in the body of the thread as it brings back memories...not all of them pleasant.  

 

Nicely done!!



#3 krapmeister

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 12:58

Max-fest 2022



#4 PitViperRacing

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 12:58

Hopefully it's a tight battle at the front between Red Bull, Ferrari and Merc......and they all crash each other out for an Alpine 1-2.

#5 William Hunt

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 13:04

I guess you read the Dutch GP magazine (historic magazine this month), another great issue. It documented exact the same first & last things you wrote but hey that's fine. It's a pleasant read what you wrote.

On another note: is your real first name Nemo? I only met / know one person in my life who's name is Nemo: it's a really cool name.

 

PS: great to discover another Dutch guy on this forum ;) Half Dutch half Belgian myself but although living in Belgium I'm probably slightly more Dutch (both my grandfathers & father are Dutch, mother Belgian and one Austrian & one Belgian grandmother so Dutch in majoirty) but consider both countries my home country (I live very close to the border as well) but I'm most of all European.

 

The stories about Carel Godin de Beaufort are great. He was so tall he hardly could fit in his private Porsche. He traveled to the races low budget with his Porsche on a trailer behind a car. His team was called Ecurie Maarsbergen named after an estate & motel in his home town.The Porsche usually had the orange colour.

 

He was one of the last true gentleman racers in many ways.

Here a pic of de Beaufort (he looks like a giant on this image) with I assume family members in front of the Maarsbergen estate.

Foto-Elegance.jpg


Edited by William Hunt, 29 August 2022 - 13:13.


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Posted 29 August 2022 - 13:14

Great Post!

I already saw pictures and movies from good friends in Zandvoort that the first tricks arrived (Alpine, Mclaren and RedBull) including police escort 👍

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 13:20

I'm happy there's a GP at Zandvoort, but I think there's less run off than at other tracks.

 

This Formula Regional accident could be nast at F1 speeds.



#8 rodnet1

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 13:40

Fantastic OP! However, there is one mistake to be corrected: the actual first Ford Cosworth V8 win was actually in 1967. By the time the 1968 race in Zandvoort took place, Jim Clark sadly was no longer among us.

#9 jpm2019

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 13:43

thank you for opening up the thread directly after the previous race. Should be mandatory. 

 

Can't see how anyone else but Max will win. 



#10 Muppetmad

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 13:51

I look forward to this one. I appreciate the passion of the Dutch fans and hope they enjoy the weekend (but guys, please, stop it with the flares!  :lol: ).



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 14:07

Not expecting to see many overtakes. Last year in Formula 2 the cars couldn't overtake with DRS if the gap was 0.7s or more when coming to the main straight. Less than 0.7s and there was a chance. Even with the 2022 F1 cars it will be hard to be close enough for an overtake.

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 14:09

Not expecting to see many overtakes. Last year in Formula 2 the cars couldn't overtake with DRS if the gap was 0.7s or more when coming to the main straight. Less than 0.7s and there was a chance. Even with the 2022 F1 cars it will be hard to be close enough for an overtake.

There were a couple of overtakes already in F1 last year and this year the DRS should be longer (already starting in tbe banked corner, as they also wanted to do last year) 



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 14:10

And oh yeah, the time schedule is again a bit different (because, why would we try to keep things simple and easy to follow?)

 

Qualifying apparently at 15:00.

 

First free practise at 12.30 on friday


Edited by Heyli, 29 August 2022 - 14:10.


#14 Nemo1965

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 14:13

I guess you read the Dutch GP magazine (historic magazine this month), another great issue. It documented exact the same first & last things you wrote but hey that's fine. It's a pleasant read what you wrote.

On another note: is your real first name Nemo? I only met / know one person in my life who's name is Nemo: it's a really cool name.

He was one of the last true gentleman racers in many ways.
Here a pic of de Beaufort (he looks like a giant on this image) with I assume family members in front of the Maarsbergen estate.
Foto-Elegance.jpg


No and no. I don’t buy the magazine any more, it is too Max-orientated. Did not see the copy you mentioned. So all the things I posted were just random things in my head. And no, my name is not Nemo…

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 15:14

...

1982: Last win for Didier Pironi, who was destined to win the worldchampionship that year but he died in a totally unnecessary accident in the rain at Hockenheim. 

...

 

No, he shattered his legs at Hockenheim, but died in a power boat accident.



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 15:22

Not expecting to see many overtakes. Last year in Formula 2 the cars couldn't overtake with DRS if the gap was 0.7s or more when coming to the main straight. Less than 0.7s and there was a chance. Even with the 2022 F1 cars it will be hard to be close enough for an overtake.

 

We didn't have F2 at Zandvoort last year.



#17 Nemo1965

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 15:26

No, he shattered his legs at Hockenheim, but died in a power boat accident.


Damn, how sloppy of me… you are right…

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 15:45

As a max fan, I hope for a Grand Whatever… but as a self proclaimed sane person and Dutchie, I hope Kelly is 8 months pregnant and is due in Zandvoort prompting Max to miss the race as there are also priorities outside racing, pissing off all the non (1 fans that seem to take over the the sport here..

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 15:47

And yes, I’m aware that is some sort of “look at me, I’m a real fan” bs..

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#20 Sterzo

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 15:58

Excellent OP, Nemo1965. To add a couple of entirely irrelevant facts, the first race meeting at Zandvoort was organised in 1948 by the British Racing Drivers Club, and in 1965 my own hopes of glory depended on slot racing a model of de Beaufort's orange Porsche. And if you were to post your parent's reminiscences of this quintessential amateur, I'm sure the TNF regulars would be very interested.



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 16:06

So are flares banned this race?  :rotfl:



#22 GentlemanDriver091

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 16:11

As a max fan, I hope for a Grand Whatever… but as a self proclaimed sane person and Dutchie, I hope Kelly is 8 months pregnant and is due in Zandvoort prompting Max to miss the race as there are also priorities outside racing, pissing off all the non (1 fans that seem to take over the the sport here..

That happened before, sort off. A1GP in Zandvoort.

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 16:15

1959: The first (and only victory) of Jo Bonnier, in the BRM. He also scored pole-position for this race, so that was not a fluke. Jo died at Le Mans, in 1972.
 

Joakim Bonnier, born into the very (in Sweden) influential Bonnier family,   was also the first Swede to win a GP.
He was also one of the driving forces behind GPDA.
 



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 16:19

I look forward to this one. I appreciate the passion of the Dutch fans and hope they enjoy the weekend (but guys, please, stop it with the flares! :lol: ).


I’m opening a gas mask merch stand there.

Lovely OP Nemo !!
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Posted 29 August 2022 - 16:27

So are flares banned this race?  :rotfl:

They were nearly banned at Spa - just the odd hooligan managed to smuggle one in, possibly secreted where the sun don't shine.  The chance of them not being used at Zandvoort are about the same as the chance that Max won't be P1 in everything.



#26 JeePee

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 16:29

I’m opening a gas mask merch stand there.

Lovely OP Nemo !!
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Some thermal goggles so people are able to watch lap 1 would be great as well.

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 17:05

I guess you read the Dutch GP magazine (historic magazine this month), another great issue. It documented exact the same first & last things you wrote but hey that's fine. It's a pleasant read what you wrote.

On another note: is your real first name Nemo? I only met / know one person in my life who's name is Nemo: it's a really cool name.

 

PS: great to discover another Dutch guy on this forum ;) Half Dutch half Belgian myself but although living in Belgium I'm probably slightly more Dutch (both my grandfathers & father are Dutch, mother Belgian and one Austrian & one Belgian grandmother so Dutch in majoirty) but consider both countries my home country (I live very close to the border as well) but I'm most of all European.

 

The stories about Carel Godin de Beaufort are great. He was so tall he hardly could fit in his private Porsche. He traveled to the races low budget with his Porsche on a trailer behind a car. His team was called Ecurie Maarsbergen named after an estate & motel in his home town.The Porsche usually had the orange colour.

 

He was one of the last true gentleman racers in many ways.

Here a pic of de Beaufort (he looks like a giant on this image) with I assume family members in front of the Maarsbergen estate.

Foto-Elegance.jpg

 

So was he following Gurney's lead with racing the '61 Chevy Impala or were American cars desired for their towing abilities?

 

I'd guess an Impala was, and still is, a pretty unusual sight on European roads.



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 17:06

That happened before, sort off. A1GP in Zandvoort.


What? Jos Verstappen wanted extra price money back then before driving, it was not because he impregnated Max his mother…I believe so, at least!

 

Regarding De Beaufort, I hesitate writing this but for a long time his memory was not taken serious at all by the Dutch press and by my surroundings. My parents had a group of friends of which a lot were involved or had been involved in motor-racing. Of course in this group of friends it was well known I was a F1-fan and they strongly discouraged me to get into racing. 'You will be starting too late and you're going to be as tall as your father (who was 1,95), you will have no chance. Look at Jan (Lammers), he was 9 when he was already driving around Zandvoort and look how small he is.' Whenever my mother would then bring up the incredibly tall De Beaufort, who she had known and probably had had a bit of a crush on, they would laugh in her face and dismiss De Beaufort as non-relevant. They would say things like: 'Carel was not a real F1-racer, just a playboy with a modified Porsche.' 'He was a mobile chicane, in most races.' Ya-di-ya-di-ya-da.

 

Naturally, being young and impressionable, I incorporated this opinion, which was confirmed by almost everything I read about him in the Dutch press. (I remember when Jos Verstappen debuted in F1, there was a line in a Dutch newspaper like: 'Finally, after the comic adventures of De Beaufort and the all too modest attempts of Gijs van Lennep and Jan Lammers...')

 

Only much later I met some other people who had known Carel. They told me that yes, he was a playboy, he would do idiotic things with car on his own estate... but according to several of these sources, Carel had also a lot of talent and he was a safe, fast and analytical driver in races (and not as crash-prone as my parent's friends had made it out to be). I also found out he had actually scored a couple of points in F1-races... which, for Dutch F1-fans, was akin to almost winning Wimbledon or something.

 

One of those less sceptic friends told me that a grim background of Carel's death at the Nürburgring in 1965. As I said, he was usually a safe, calculating driver... but he had found out (or was told), that the fastest way around the infamous Bergwerk-corner was to put the outside wheels in a little ridge on the outside of the short straight before it (as modern drivers now would do with a kerb). It was a horrible miscalculation. He flew into the trees, still lived and moved when he was put on a stretcher and into an ambulance, but died the next day in a hospital.

 

Sorry for this off-topic thingy. So... what tires are Pirelli going to bring to Zandvoort?  :blush:


Edited by Nemo1965, 29 August 2022 - 17:35.


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Posted 29 August 2022 - 17:08

Some thermal goggles so people are able to watch lap 1 would be great as well.


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Posted 29 August 2022 - 17:09

Great OP, shame this wasn't added to the calendar years ago when I was living in Leiden, could have ridden a bike there (but probably not back  :rotfl: ).



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 17:11

Cant wait for Sky to spend the whole 3 days repeatedly telling us how fantastic the fans are and what a great atmosphere it is......



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 17:15

What? Jos Verstappen wanted extra price money back then before driving,!


That would be the most glorious thing ever.. i’d imagine the whole of France instantly becoming Max fan.

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 17:15

I’d like to add that a more significant first of the 1962 race was that it was Graham Hill’s first win, and that set him on the path to his first world championship.



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 17:34

Cant wait for Sky to spend the whole 3 days repeatedly telling us how fantastic the fans are and what a great atmosphere it is......

I know, it gets nauseating every year when they shove it down your throat at Silverstone. I have eyes and ears, I don't need to be infantilized.

 

On a broader note, with the great weather thrown in last year I thought it looked like a great spectacle for the most part. Looking forward to it.



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 17:34

A for two more memorable ones that were `the last ones ever`

 

Both in 1983

 

The last ever victory for rené Arnoux in F1

The last ever podium finish for the Cosworth DFV in a legal car and thus could remain within the reocord books. (John Watson, McLaren)

 

And a memorable first, also that year

 

The first ever points for Toleman-Hart   (Derek Warwick)

 

 

Credits to  RTL GP magazine pointing all of this out in their last edition, thouugh i remembered all of them and I was actually the first man congratulationg Derek Warwick when he got out of the car.



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 17:44

A for two more memorable ones that were `the last ones ever`

 

Both in 1983

 

The last ever victory for rené Arnoux in F1

The last ever podium finish for the Cosworth DFV in a legal car and thus could remain within the record books. (John Watson, McLaren)

 

And a memorable first, also that year

 

The first ever points for Toleman-Hart   (Derek Warwick)

 

 

Credits to  RTL GP magazine pointing all of this out in their last edition, thouugh i remembered all of them and I was actually the first man congratulationg Derek Warwick when he got out of the car.

 

I was there, in 1983, one of the only two GP's at Zandvoort I visited (I was there for a few tire-tests days as well). Strangely I did not mention this in my OP... I can still remember Niki Lauda driving up past me over the Hunzerug, with a patch of orange tape flapping behind his helmet. Back then I assumed he was wearing a scarf for a strange reason. It was just gaffer-tape that had attached itself to him.

 

By the way: that was the first race (I think?) for the McLaren-Tag turbo-car?


Edited by Nemo1965, 29 August 2022 - 17:44.


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Posted 29 August 2022 - 17:50

I was there, in 1983, one of the only two GP's at Zandvoort I visited (I was there for a few tire-tests days as well). Strangely I did not mention this in my OP... I can still remember Niki Lauda driving up past me over the Hunzerug, with a patch of orange tape flapping behind his helmet. Back then I assumed he was wearing a scarf for a strange reason. It was just gaffer-tape that had attached itself to him.

 

By the way: that was the first race (I think?) for the McLaren-Tag turbo-car?

Yes it was, that's why the podium finish for Watson was kinda ironic....



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 18:01

If Hamilton is going to keep up his 15 year winning streak, this will be one of his best chances.

Ultra high DF, probably the second or third least power sensitive track of the calendar, and massive tyre deg. Big question mark on how Mercedes handle the banking.

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 18:16

So are flares banned this race?  :rotfl:

Goin’ Dutch.  Smokin’ much…



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 18:21

What? Jos Verstappen wanted extra price money back then before driving, it was not because he impregnated Max his mother…I believe so, at least!

Sort of…

Slightly off-topic but I was a huge fan of his father (the race driver, not the person) but I’ve never seen him race live. I made two attempts: Hockenheimring in 2002, but Walkinshaw decided to replace him with HHF, despite Jos having signed a contract for 2002.

The second time was in 2006 in Zandvoort; because Jan Lammers still hadn’t payed his salary for the previous season and couldn’t give any guarantees paying his salary for that season, Jeroen Bleekemolen replaced him shortly before the race.

#41 Nemo1965

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 18:22

If Hamilton is going to keep up his 15 year winning streak, this will be one of his best chances.

Ultra high DF, probably the second or third least power sensitive track of the calendar, and massive tyre deg. Big question mark on how Mercedes handle the banking.

 

Well, I really would grant and other Lewis fans the chance to hope but... as Peter Windsor said: Red Bull (or rather: Verstappen in the Red Bull) wasn't one iota slower than the Ferrari's and Mercedes in sector 2 at Spa, so the twisty bits. That means they can latch on much more downforce at Zandvoort and still have a straight-line-advantage. It really looks that either a. Adrian Newey has worked some new magic, b. the new technical directives have hurt Ferrari and Mercedes or c. both of aforementioned premises.

 

But let us not get hasty. Alexander Albon said something interesting in the post-race show: that one would expect the Williams to struggle at Zandvoort, but that last year the Williams (and Haas) were unexpectedly quick at Zandvoort. 

 

PS: Are you one of our eyes in the sky already?


Edited by Nemo1965, 29 August 2022 - 18:26.


#42 FLB

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 18:22

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Quick: Who is the driver?

 

 

(Hint: He now has a corner named after him)



#43 GentlemanDriver091

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 18:26

So was he following Gurney's lead with racing the '61 Chevy Impala or were American cars desired for their towing abilities?

I'd guess an Impala was, and still is, a pretty unusual sight on European roads.

There were some periods Chevrolet (or US cars in general) were quite popular in the Netherlands, probably because of a favorable dollar rate.

I remember my uncle having a Chevrolet Impala in the early eighties, we even had a official Chevrolet dealership in our local town these days.

#44 GentlemanDriver091

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Quick: Who is the driver?


(Hint: He now has a corner named after him)

Arie Luyendyk?

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 18:28

Arie Luyendyk?

Yup! 



#46 Nemo1965

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 18:28

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Quick: Who is the driver?

 

 

(Hint: He now has a corner named after him)

 

Is it the father of Arie Luyendyk?

A gamble, I did not google it. So I am probably wrong.

 

PS: Ah, now I only notice the driver. So that IS probably Arie's father sitting on the roll-hoop!


Edited by Nemo1965, 29 August 2022 - 18:31.


#47 jonpollak

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 18:30

I was gonna say Ted Nugent.
Jp

#48 loki

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 18:31

 

Quick: Who is the driver?

 

 

(Hint: He now has a corner named after him)

 

Maggots Becketts?



#49 Nemo1965

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 18:33

I was gonna say Ted Nugent.
Jp

 

Then there would be an AR-17 in his right fist...and a guitar on his lap.



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 18:36

There were some periods Chevrolet (or US cars in general) were quite popular in the Netherlands, probably because of a favorable dollar rate.

I remember my uncle having a Chevrolet Impala in the early eighties, we even had a official Chevrolet dealership in our local town these days.

 

My grandfather (who was a sergeant in the Dutch army) always had Chevrolets Impala's... I always presumed it has also to do with his army connections... it lasted until the 70's... then he started buying the biggest Japanese cars. Very odd transfer...