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#1 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 02 September 2022 - 07:10

Having successfully sorted the similar Ligier and Haas queries, I'd welcome your help with identifying these Ferrari mechanics? The images are cropped from photos I am using in the forthcoming Jacky Ickx book; Jacky is at pains to thank the various crew members who designed and prepared his cars, so as far as possible I am naming them all in the photo captions to maintain the theme.

 

The first images is from Spain 1971, and could possibly be Benedetti (does anyone know his first name?). The second image is from Daytona 1972, and I have no idea. Could that be Marcello Bonello on the refuelling rig?

 

Unfortunately Mr Cuoghi does not remember, and Mr Forghieri is reluctant to answer my emails ...

 

Thanks for any and all assistance!

 

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#2 Doug Nye

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Posted 02 September 2022 - 08:00

The only response I can offer speedily is that the 'headless man' in the dark jacket - centre image - looks like Giacomo Caliri, the team engineer and aerodynamicist.

 

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#3 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 02 September 2022 - 09:10

The only response I can offer speedily is that the 'headless man' in the dark jacket - centre image - looks like Giacomo Caliri, the team engineer and aerodynamicist.

 

DCN

 

Thanks Doug - that's a good spot.

 

The cropped out guy on the right in the third shot (in brown cords) is Peter Schetty, but as he was a known quantity he is partially excised!

 

I'd love to be able to name these chaps!



#4 Sterzo

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Posted 02 September 2022 - 09:13

This book is not one I shall be able to resist...



#5 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 02 September 2022 - 09:39

A couple of extras to try and help: First shot is a wider crop of the refuelling area, with another guy behind Caliri. I wonder who the lady (?) standing behind the car is?

 

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Second photo - I guess there is very little chance of identifying this Firestone tech working on the left-front ...

 

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Edited by Jon Saltinstall, 02 September 2022 - 09:40.


#6 Doug Nye

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Posted 02 September 2022 - 09:51

Faint resemblance to Bruce Harre, ex-early McLaren team mech.  He had a chemistry degree and later moved to Firestone.

 

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#7 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 02 September 2022 - 11:02

Faint resemblance to Bruce Harre, ex-early McLaren team mech.  He had a chemistry degree and later moved to Firestone.

 

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That's a great suggestion, thanks Doug. I'll ask Alistair Caldwell if he thinks it could be him.



#8 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 02 September 2022 - 11:10

No sign of Mario in the shot, having just vacated the cockpit, but could that be Dee-Ann Andretti in the white coat at the rear of the car?



#9 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 02 September 2022 - 11:32

That's a great suggestion, thanks Doug. I'll ask Alistair Caldwell if he thinks it could be him.

 

Alistair says "Could be, but couldn't be sure."

 

I guess it's a pretty tricky angle to identify anybody from.



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Posted 02 September 2022 - 19:56

A couple of extras to try and help: First shot is a wider crop of the refuelling area, with another guy behind Caliri. I wonder who the lady (?) standing behind the car is?

 

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The person at far right of the frame almost looks like a fire marshal to me.   The heavy, quilted jacket looks like a fireman's jacket, and the partially obscured hat could be a fireman's hat.   If you look at pit stop pictures from Daytona, even in the early 1970's,  firemen were sometimes visible standing near refueling cars. He also appears to be holding a hose of some kind. I'm not sure driver family members, like Dee-Ann Andretti, would be permitted on pit road during the race.

 

The only puzzling aspect is the white color of the helmet and jacket, which I don't recall ever seeing for that kind of personal protective equipment.

 

Edit:  Here's a picture from 1971 with white-suited fire marshals visible at left.

https://twitter.com/...5544960/photo/1


Edited by Emery0323, 02 September 2022 - 20:35.


#11 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 07:35

Seems odd that the “fire marshal” is not wearing gloves, though?

#12 10kDA

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 11:49

At first glance, the unknown figure in white looked to me like the field official who signals goals in Australian Football. But doubtful.



#13 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 18:25

Peter Darley, who among other things was at one time Firestone's official photographer, has confirmed that the tyre technician on the left-front is indeed Bruce Harre. So ten out of ten to Doug for his identification skills. 

 

Now, if we can just put names to the boys in blue .....  :D



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Posted 03 September 2022 - 19:08

Three more pictures here https://www.motorspo...event_id=265710

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Posted 04 September 2022 - 00:12

Seems odd that the “fire marshal” is not wearing gloves, though?

Three more pictures here https://www.motorspo...event_id=265710

Thanks AJCee, great set of photos!  Yes, same white-suited man is visible in all  the pit-stop photos, definitely a fireman wearing a fireman's hat. I don't know why he's not gloved, but the hose is attached to a fire extinguisher.

 

 

A group picture what appears to be the full Ferrari crew is here down in the middle of the third page, which might help in identifying specific crew members:

https://www.motorspo...t_id=265710&p=3


Edited by Emery0323, 04 September 2022 - 00:35.


#16 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 05 September 2022 - 08:32

Thanks AJCee. Taking some close crops, we now have some better definition but still no names:

 

Guy with the wheel-gun on the right - and now the chap behind him previously half-obscured is visible"

 

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Refuelling guy on left - and we can indeed see it's a fireman behind the car:

 

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The full crew shot AJCee referred to:

 

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And finally; the guy standing on the left of the photo - is he a local official rather than a crew member?

 

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Edited by Jon Saltinstall, 05 September 2022 - 16:00.


#17 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 05 September 2022 - 15:58

Ermanno Cuoghi thinks the chap on the refuelling hose might be named Chiodi, but cannot recall his first name. Can anyone assist, please?



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Posted 05 September 2022 - 17:45

Ermanno Cuoghi thinks the chap on the refuelling hose might be named Chiodi, but cannot recall his first name. Can anyone assist, please?

Zeffirino Chiodi - IF it is Chiodi.



#19 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 06 September 2022 - 07:03

Fantastic, thanks Parkesi!

 

Antonio Davoli has updated me with the names in the "Group" photo as follows:

 

Standing from left to right: Guidetti - Assali - Schenetti - Chiussi - Cioni -? - Toni - Muzzarelli. Kneeling from left to right: Pignatti - Benassi - Corradini - Chiodi - Scaramelli - Bellentani

 

"Our" guys in the Daytona 1972 photo are Schenetti on the refuelling hose, Guidetti with the wheel gun and Chiodi slightly obscured behind Guidetti.

 

The mechanic in the 1971 Barcelona photo is Castelli.

 

Parkesi has come up trumps with Chioti's first name; can anyone do the same for Schenetti, Guidetti and Castelli - I realise I am asking a lot!


Edited by Jon Saltinstall, 06 September 2022 - 07:03.


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#20 Parkesi

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Posted 06 September 2022 - 10:26

It`s SERGIO Castelli

Schenetti & Guidetti are untraceable at the moment.

Obviously they were not members of the "Club Meccanici Anziani F1"  :confused:

Could be Guidotti and Sacchetti?

Both are listed in connection with Maserati...

Try to get an update from Brenda V.



#21 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 06 September 2022 - 12:28

Thanks Parkesi - I'll do some more digging!

In the event that it is Sacchetti and Guidotti, would you happen to know their first names too?


Edited by Jon Saltinstall, 06 September 2022 - 12:34.


#22 Parkesi

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Posted 06 September 2022 - 13:31

There are 3 Guidotti (Flavio/Gianbattista/Liborio) but from my understanding all three were Maserati guys before the seventies.

& Gustavo Sacchetti, again with Maserati.



#23 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 06 September 2022 - 14:46

Thanks - Maybe Antonio's source  is correct with the names Schenetti & Guidetti then - they look like younger guys than one would expect from the Maserati days?



#24 Doug Nye

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Posted 06 September 2022 - 18:20

Different chaps, same name is a possibility, of course, but GianBattista Guidotti was pre-war test and occasional stand-in racing driver, then postwar team manager, for Alfa Romeo.



#25 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 06 September 2022 - 21:20

Thanks Doug



#26 Jon Saltinstall

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Posted 07 September 2022 - 14:11

 

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Thanks to Antonio Davioli, here's the (almost) full list of names:

 

Standing from left to right: Guidino Guidetti, Ugo Assali, Rino Schenetti, Dante Chiussi, Anonymous, Silvano Toni, Valeriano Muzzarelli.

Kneeling from left to right: Dino Pignatti, Umberto Benassi, Pietro Corradini, Zefferino Chiodi, Paolo Scaramelli, Antonio Bellentani.

 

I think I'll be saving this for future reference!

 

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the thread.

 

P.S. - I should have said previously that this photo is © Motorsport Images


Edited by Jon Saltinstall, 07 September 2022 - 14:13.