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#1 Beri

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:24

Let's discuss the usage and (hopefully) subsequent ban of flares on and around the track.

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#2 Ali_G

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:25

They are already banned. Ban just isn’t being enforced rigorously enough.

#3 Arundo

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:27

Ban them and search spectators at the entrance, take them away if any brings one. If someone still smuggled one in and use one banned the idiot. Very simple.

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:27

F1 should never return to Zandvoort, this is just as bad as what we went through in Saudi earlier this year. This is a very serious post.

 

Edit: sorry that it wasn't clear enough, this post is a joke.


Edited by Disgrace, 03 September 2022 - 14:36.


#5 Beri

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:29

They are already banned. Ban just isn’t being enforced rigorously enough.


I don't believe it is at every track. This weekend it was (by my knowledge) announced for the first time that there would be a zero tolerance policy in place.

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:29

I'm sticking up for the demonised and marginalised flare. Great for the sporting atmosphere. I've been to different sporting events where they were utilised and so far it seems it's only a big problem for people sitting comfortably at home. Just don't throw them on a live race track, probably.

 

I'm also not one to immediately consider censorship or prohibition as some kind of immediate crutch or fix-all method for anything. And the more prominent proponents of such an attitude I consider in a dim light, frankly.


Edited by HerbieMcQueen, 03 September 2022 - 14:30.


#7 Beri

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:30

F1 should never return to Zandvoort, this is just as bad as what we went through in Saudi earlier this year. This is a very serious post.


Better ban Silverstone. Having two track i vasions by people in 20 years is unacceptable.

Serious post as well.

#8 Ali_G

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:30

F1 should never return to Zandvoort, this is just as bad as what we went through in Saudi earlier this year. This is a very serious post.

As I said in the other thread, should you also include Silverstone given 2 track invasions mid race during the last 20 years. Those 2 invasions along with the Mercedes worker getting on the track in Hockenheim are by far the worst security and safety failures I can think of in modern times.

EDIT: The incident in Germany went so far as being one of the main reasons for the Hockenheim redevelopment it was viewed that seriously.

Edited by Ali_G, 03 September 2022 - 14:32.


#9 Thursday

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:31

Air horns used to ubiquitous at F1 events. They were banned and have disappeared. They same will happen with flares.

It will come to a point that the few that set them off are totally outnumbered by those that dislike them and will let their displeasure be known.

I imagine the people that threw flares onto the track today were met with a lot of angry people around them and wont be doing it again.



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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:32

why does everything need a separate topic around here?

 

anyway:

 

[Erik van Haren on Twitter] The person who threw the flare on the track has been arrested by police.



#11 Disgrace

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:32

I'm sticking up for the demonised and marginalised flare. Great for the sporting atmosphere. I've been to different sporting events where they were utilised and so far it seems it's only a big problem for people sitting comfortably at home. Just don't throw them on a live race track, probably.

 

I'm also not one to immediately consider censorship or prohibition as some kind of immediate crutch or fix-all method for anything. And the more prominent proponents of such an attitude I consider in a dim light, frankly.

 

Yeah, we should be careful what we wish for. Fans might resort to bringing vuvuzelas.



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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:33

F1 should never return to Zandvoort, this is just as bad as what we went through in Saudi earlier this year. This is a very serious post.

Chill mate, it's a great track.



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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:33

The fans are close to the track here.  Flares caused a red flag in Q2 and a yellow flag at the start of the final runs in Q3.  Not a non-issue for the sporting event, nor do they add anything to the atmosphere.



#14 Disgrace

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:34

Chill mate, it's a great track.

 

Sorry, I was actually joking.



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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:34

I'm sticking up for the demonised and marginalised flare. Great for the sporting atmosphere. I've been to different sporting events where they were utilised and so far it seems it's only a big problem for people sitting comfortably at home. Just don't throw them on a live race track, probably.

 

I'm also not one to immediately consider censorship or prohibition as some kind of immediate crutch or fix-all method for anything. And the more prominent proponents of such an attitude I consider in a dim light, frankly.

I would have agreed with you before quali. I like them at football matches as well. Difference is there is no serious harm when somebody throws a flare on the pitch. Apparently, we have to consider the possibility of people throwing those things on the track from now on...



#16 PayasYouRace

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:34

why does everything need a separate topic around here?


That’s how a forum works.

#17 BoDarvelle

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:34

Chill mate, it's a great track.

 

One of my favorites.



#18 HerbieMcQueen

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:34

Yeah, we should be careful what we wish for. Fans might resort to bringing vuvuzelas.

To be fair, I'm in full support of letting surrounding fans deal with such issues by whichever means they deem suitable but in civil society I also acknowledge that it can't always be the case.



#19 P123

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:34

Better ban Silverstone. Having two track i vasions by people in 20 years is unacceptable.

Serious post as well.

 

Maybe quote some people calling for track bans, then neither yourself nor the one you responded to would be clogging the topic with shite?



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#20 Arundo

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:36

F1 should never return to Zandvoort, this is just as bad as what we went through in Saudi earlier this year. This is a very serious post.


Disgraceful post, by that logic you can cancel a few races.

#21 Beri

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:36

Yeah, we should be careful what we wish for. Fans might resort to bringing vuvuzelas.


At least something that would make noise. The engines won't do it, then the vuvuzelas might.

#22 potmotr

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:36

I don't really mind then, so long as they're not being thrown on the track. Quite a risk of burns if they're dropped though, especially with cheap acrylic Verstappen merch.

#23 Beri

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:37

Maybe quote some people calling for track bans, then neither yourself nor the one you responded to would be clogging the topic with shite?


It's an honest opinion. That's what a thread is about, isn't it?

#24 IrvTheSwerve

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:42

Flares and large amounts of smoke is probably not a good idea when in close proximity to 20 extremely fast racing cars where visibility is key. That's all I'll say before I offend anyone.



#25 Marklar

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:43

Generally I dont see the problem in having them, but rather in throwing them on track

However in combination with alcohol I dont see this mixing well either well. Also visibility is a valid concern in this sport.

and it's not like people flag this up only because it's Max fans, it's stuff that is banned in football (here at least) and teams of fans doing this are under threat to lose the game in court if they dont behave.


Edited by Marklar, 03 September 2022 - 14:44.


#26 smitten

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:47

They are already banned. Ban just isn’t being enforced rigorously enough.

They ban them, then show lots of TV pictures of fans waving them in the air.  Mixed messages?


Edited by smitten, 03 September 2022 - 14:48.


#27 aray

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:50

It is getting intolerable and recipe for real disaster. An accident is waiting to happen....



#28 Scaboo22

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:53

In Belgium they were barely checking bags. I could have brought in almost anything. Hopefully in the future they'll start doing more thorough checks but at the same time, getting 300k people in takes A LOT of time. People need to learn to stop bringing flares. 



#29 SilverArrow31

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:54

Generally I dont see the problem in having them, but rather in throwing them on track

However in combination with alcohol I dont see this mixing well either well. Also visibility is a valid concern in this sport.

and it's not like people flag this up only because it's Max fans, it's stuff that is banned in football (here at least) and teams of fans doing this are under threat to lose the game in court if they dont behave.

Its not even just Max fans in F1... Ferrari fans have been using them at Monza for years... red smoke used to drift across the track before the second chicane. I think the only reason we haven't seen merc fans with them is they don't come in silver or teal, and no one thought to use purple or yellow for Hamilton haha

Edited by SilverArrow31, 03 September 2022 - 14:58.


#30 statman

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:55

It is getting intolerable and recipe for real disaster. An accident is waiting to happen....

 

indeed

 

  • a flare will be thrown
  • a pigeon will pick it up and drops it under the wheels of a car
  • car goes off on the banked last corner
  • car goes through the catch fencing
  • car flies into the sea
  • car leaks oil and other fluids into the sea
  • a natural disaster will be declared
  • F1 will be held responsible
  • F1 is outlawed and this forum goes silent

 

something like this?



#31 HP

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:56

It is getting intolerable and recipe for real disaster. An accident is waiting to happen....

While I agree that flares have no place on a race track,  there is this clip from Kimi. Apparently he knew what he was doing...

 


Edited by HP, 03 September 2022 - 14:57.


#32 Roadhouse

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:58

https://pbs.twimg.co...t=jpg&name=orig

Actual fans were not amused.

#33 Casey

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 14:59

indeed

 

  • a flare will be thrown
  • a pigeon will pick it up and drops it under the wheels of a car
  • car goes off on the banked last corner
  • car goes through the catch fencing
  • car flies into the sea
  • car leaks oil and other fluids into the sea
  • a natural disaster will be declared
  • F1 will be held responsible
  • F1 is outlawed and this forum goes silent

 

something like this?

 

That's too heavy for a Pigeon , the African swallow is known to carry coconuts from Africa to the UK s that's a possibility .

Someone could get killed .



#34 Disgrace

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 15:01

https://pbs.twimg.co...t=jpg&name=orig

Actual fans were not amused.

 

Looks like flare bro misjudged the reaction he would get.



#35 Beri

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 15:03

Looks like flare bro misjudged the reaction he would get.


Who threw it? The guy flipping it?

#36 B38

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 15:09

indeed

 

  • a flare will be thrown
  • a pigeon will pick it up and drops it under the wheels of a car
  • car goes off on the banked last corner
  • car goes through the catch fencing
  • car flies into the sea
  • car leaks oil and other fluids into the sea
  • a natural disaster will be declared
  • F1 will be held responsible
  • F1 is outlawed and this forum goes silent

 

something like this?

I see we have an expert on this forum: https://en.wikipedia...utterfly_effect



#37 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 15:14

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#38 renzmann

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 15:20

https://www.telegraa...nt-doe-het-niet

 

Verstappen:

 

 

Holding flares may be tolerable, as long as it's not too many flares. But to throw a flare on the track is just stupid. I've been told the person that has been throwing has been removed from the track. Just don't do this, this isn't good for anybody. The person throwing will be banned and cannot resume watching the GP, and for the drivers it's dangerous.



#39 GentlemanDriver091

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 15:36

https://pbs.twimg.co...t=jpg&name=orig

Actual fans were not amused.

Not an Orange fan I see, guess he must be Mercedes fan going by the logic of this forum?

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#40 Bloggsworth

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 15:39

why does everything need a separate topic around here?

 

anyway:

 

[Erik van Haren on Twitter] The person who threw the flare on the track has been arrested by police.

I'm starting a new thread "Does everything need a separate topic."



#41 cbo

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 15:41

indeed

  • a flare will be thrown
  • a pigeon will pick it up and drops it under the wheels of a car
  • car goes off on the banked last corner
  • car goes through the catch fencing
  • car flies into the sea
  • car leaks oil and other fluids into the sea
  • a natural disaster will be declared
  • F1 will be held responsible
  • F1 is outlawed and this forum goes silent

something like this?

This forum will never grow silent. People will still be discussing Abu Dhabi 2021 using their communicators while travelling at Warp 8 to Omicron Persei 9 in 2422.

#42 #99

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 15:42

indeed

 

  • a flare will be thrown
  • a pigeon will pick it up and drops it under the wheels of a car
  • car goes off on the banked last corner
  • car goes through the catch fencing
  • car flies into the sea
  • car leaks oil and other fluids into the sea
  • a natural disaster will be declared
  • F1 will be held responsible
  • F1 is outlawed and this forum goes silent

 

something like this?

 

 

 

Only believable if Jimmy Bly and Beau Brande are driving  ;) 


Edited by #99, 03 September 2022 - 15:42.


#43 Clatter

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 15:58

Ban them and search spectators at the entrance, take them away if any brings one. If someone still smuggled one in and use one banned the idiot. Very simple.

 


Easier said than done. With the number of fans trying to enter the circuit it's very difficult to search every single bag thoroughly. If they did then the delays to entry would cause riot.

#44 Clatter

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 15:59

I don't believe it is at every track. This weekend it was (by my knowledge) announced for the first time that there would be a zero tolerance policy in place.

 


Spa only sent an email a week before the race saying they were banning them.

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 16:00

Easier said than done. With the number of fans trying to enter the circuit it's very difficult to search every single bag thoroughly. If they did then the delays to entry would cause riot.

It's a matter of logistics, and 100,000 fans are very manageable.



#46 Clatter

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 16:01

I'm sticking up for the demonised and marginalised flare. Great for the sporting atmosphere. I've been to different sporting events where they were utilised and so far it seems it's only a big problem for people sitting comfortably at home. Just don't throw them on a live race track, probably.

 

I'm also not one to immediately consider censorship or prohibition as some kind of immediate crutch or fix-all method for anything. And the more prominent proponents of such an attitude I consider in a dim light, frankly.

 


They are damned unpleasant if your one of those getting enveloped in the fumes.

#47 Dolph

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 16:06

Id imagine being damned upset if someone lit a flare on the first lap of the race obscuring my view of the cars.

#48 Cliff

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 16:15

Who threw it? The guy flipping it?


Looking at the rest and his trailer thrash demeanor, seems like it.

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 16:18

Insert very offended and strong opion. Outrage.
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#50 noikeee

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 16:19

Throwing flares on track is a legit issue because someone might use it to affect the competitive order of a qualifying session or race...

 

It might be an unlikely occurence but if watching F1 over the years has thaught me anything is that, the weirdest edge case **** can and will happen.


Edited by noikeee, 03 September 2022 - 16:19.