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[catent]

I'm predicting Russell to lead into the first few corners and Leclerc to do a Leclerc and crash both of them out.

Norris, cheeky bet for the win.

I know Leclerc likes to drive on the limit and that has resulted in some incidents over the years, but seems a bit harsh to suggest it’s on-brand / in his nature to take out other drivers, especially given no such thing has occurred at any point this season as far as I recall.

[RedKloud]

Charles gonna win this one.

[MikeTekRacing]

I know Leclerc likes to drive on the limit and that has resulted in some incidents over the years, but seems a bit harsh to suggest it’s on-brand / in his nature to take out other drivers, especially given no such thing has occurred at any point this season as far as I recall.

He did bump Checo in Silverstone

[Augurk]

He did bump Checo in Silverstone

And remember his defensive style last time he was leading Monza.

[Laptom]

Cant wait for max to be waved by tomorrow.

I'll be shocked if he doesn't win. Him.and red bull are on fire

Didn't you say before that you will be shocked if he didn't took pole by a big margin? This was a RB track and they will have an advantage with their topspeed?

[prty]

That last part doesn't make sense, then you're implying that on very high downforce tracks overtaking is easier. We see that every year in Monaco!

It's actually true though, it's difficult to overtake in Monza. Due to track configuration (how the corners leading to straights and at the end of straights are) making use of slipstreams and braking points to overtake is hard.

[Peugeot905evo1bis]

I'm predicting Russell to lead into the first few corners and Leclerc to do a Leclerc and crash both of them out.

Norris, cheeky bet for the win.

"Do a Leclerc" ?
I don't think Leclerc has a track record of crashing with other drivers.

[RedRabbit]

How does Max get his full 5 place penalty whereas Bottas with a 15 place penalty only drops 3 places???

Last week Bottas qualified last, and with a 20 place penalty, and started 14th, so ....

Edited by RedRabbit, 11 September 2022 - 06:45.

[Peugeot905evo1bis]

He did bump Checo in Silverstone

Perez was to blame IMO. Very late dive into the inside where Leclerc was already, he had basically nowhere to go.

Edited by Peugeot905evo1bis, 11 September 2022 - 06:44.

[RedRabbit]

"Do a Leclerc" ?
I don't think Leclerc has a track record of crashing with other drivers.

Yeah, it's more likely Russell to Do A Russell, and clash with another driver, especially on lap 1.

[Casey]

Yeah, it's more likely Russell to Do A Russell, and clash with another driver, especially on lap 1.

 

If he could only learn from Lewis this year !

 

 

 

( slowly backs out of the thread )

[MJB5990]

Can't see anyone fighting Max.

Alonso didn't bother in Spa, Gasly will move, Ricciardo is his mate and Lando barely fights anyone while George has already said it's not his race.

Max should be able to pick them off, one every other lap at worst. He might lose half a second or so but it's likely to be P2 within 10 laps, maybe 7-8s behind. Charles needs to bolt, say screw the tyres and just go. Even if he runs out of rubber, he can pit first and get track position.

[PayasYouRace]

There aren't enough non-penalty cars to backfill Bottas's post-penalty starting position. 

There are more than 20 slots on the grid. Quite a few more. They should have these guys start from those slots way down the back.

[smitten]

There are more than 20 slots on the grid. Quite a few more. They should have these guys start from those slots way down the back.

I had pondered that, but would it make any real difference?  We see guys who start from the pit-lane catching up to the back of the snake within a corner or two, so surely it would just be optics to have somebody starting 30th on the grid with 10 spaces in front of them?

Edited by smitten, 11 September 2022 - 07:39.

[Ivanhoe]

I had pondered that, but would it make any real difference?  We see guys who start from the pit-lane catching up to the back of the snake within a corner or two, so surely it would just be optics to have somebody starting 30th on the grid with 10 spaces in front of them?

It’s much harder to have the benefits of a good start and win a few spots though.

[smitten]

It’s much harder to have the benefits of a good start and win a few spots though.

That's a fair point

[Dhillon]

How will Ferrari mess up this race,Question ?

[TradeMark]

It's actually true though, it's difficult to overtake in Monza. Due to track configuration (how the corners leading to straights and at the end of straights are) making use of slipstreams and braking points to overtake is hard.

I know but he uses Monza being hard to overtake on to get to a very strange conclusion that the higher downforce a track is , the less necessary the DRS is, which is definitely not true.

[Winterapfel]

How will Ferrari mess up this race,Question ?

How terrible their mutual understanding must be, to have the add the word "question" to each team radio question..

[Alexis*27]

The fact they've changed the order the next day because it's so complicated just shows how ludicrous it is.

Max starts 7th now.

I'm thinking a stop-go penalty in the race might be a better penalty, with the time stationery dependent on how many bits you've changed.

[lewislorenzo]

Can't see anyone fighting Max.

Alonso didn't bother in Spa, Gasly will move, Ricciardo is his mate and Lando barely fights anyone while George has already said it's not his race.

Max should be able to pick them off, one every other lap at worst. He might lose half a second or so but it's likely to be P2 within 10 laps, maybe 7-8s behind. Charles needs to bolt, say screw the tyres and just go. Even if he runs out of rubber, he can pit first and get track position.

Funny how the other drivers fight Max hard in practice but not in the races😂

Edited by lewislorenzo, 11 September 2022 - 08:04.

[danmills]

By 'do a Leclerc' I mean in the sense of throwing it away, doing something facepalm worthy when its not needed thus throwing away something good.

[lewislorenzo]

By 'do a Leclerc' I mean in the sense of throwing it away, doing something facepalm worthy when its not needed thus throwing away something good.

He rarely does that

[RedRabbit]

There are more than 20 slots on the grid. Quite a few more. They should have these guys start from those slots way down the back.

For a sport that tries to follow the letter of rules, and not the spirit, this is actually how these penalties should work.

Grid places, not positions against competitors.

I'd still prefer a complete rethink of the whole system though, it's far to outdated with only 4 engine suppliers.

[PayasYouRace]

I had pondered that, but would it make any real difference?  We see guys who start from the pit-lane catching up to the back of the snake within a corner or two, so surely it would just be optics to have somebody starting 30th on the grid with 10 spaces in front of them?

No I don’t think it would have much practical use, but it would look the part.

 

If we’re thinking of more practical options, maybe force a pitlane start, with a time penalty. So for each component changed you have to wait 5 seconds before leaving the pits after the race starts. Drivers with the same penalty can start in qualifying order. Something like that.

[Augurk]

No I don’t think it would have much practical use, but it would look the part.

 

If we’re thinking of more practical options, maybe force a pitlane start, with a time penalty. So for each component changed you have to wait 5 seconds before leaving the pits after the race starts. Drivers with the same penalty can start in qualifying order. Something like that.

Isn't it a safety risk as there would be a much bigger speed differential when coming to T1?

[PayasYouRace]

Isn't it a safety risk as there would be a much bigger speed differential when coming to T1?

Hardly, unless the driver is approaching turn 1 with his eyes closed. The usual back of the grid would approach turn 1 faster than the front row in a normal start.

[FirstWatt]

Do penaltys make sense with a budget cap?
Let them make the money allocations where they see to bring most return.

[Ev0d3vil]

Charles gonna win this one.

 

Bets if Ferrari will make a mess of the pitstop ?

[PayasYouRace]

Do penaltys make sense with a budget cap?
Let them make the money allocations where they see to bring most return.

Yeah, the limits were set to keep costs down, but now that’s regulated directly, so have the manufacturers work it out for themselves how many engines they can use.

 

Perhaps go back to the 2004 rule that you must use the same engine during a race weekend, and changing it will bring a grid penalty. But let’s not have this system that carries over multiple races.

[jpm2019]

I know but he uses Monza being hard to overtake on to get to a very strange conclusion that the higher downforce a track is , the less necessary the DRS is, which is definitely not true.

I said that drs on medium or high downforce tracks is sometimes to strong. So you see overtaking where the overtake is fully completed before the braking point. A less effective drs would make overtaking more difficult. So you need to find the sweetspot between too difficult and too easy. Monza has that. Spa, mexico, imola etc dont have this. I also mentioned tracks with a big straight. You left that information out. Monaco, hungary, suzuka, australia are not suited for this. Jeddah, mexico, spa, austria, baku, imola for sure could do with a little less erfective drs.

[jpm2019]

How about track limits. In f3 lesmo 2 every car was going over the white line every lap. 
 

also 99% sc in f1 based on what i am seeing in f3 and f2. Race can go every way.

[Augurk]

Hardly, unless the driver is approaching turn 1 with his eyes closed. The usual back of the grid would approach turn 1 faster than the front row in a normal start.

That’s true, but they are sort of in the same group which will close as a harmonica at T1. I think it would increase the chances of someone piling on the back because of misjudgment.

[Topsu]

Charles deserves to win this one.

[Konsta]

What an anti-climax. Ferrari shot themselves in the foot and RD was totally incompetent. Red-flagging is what they should have done 

[ANF]

I actually think the Parabolica will be safer with the gravel trap because drivers will once again have to treat the corner with respect. With the tarmac run-off, F3/F4 drivers have entered the corner three-wide and kept the foot in even when they were fully off the track.

Look at this: 44 (!) Italian F4 cars on the grid and not a single incident at the Parabolica! (But chaos just about everywhere else.)