Jump to content


Photo

HMQ - the way it was...


  • Please log in to reply
39 replies to this topic

#1 Doug Nye

Doug Nye
  • Member

  • 11,197 posts
  • Joined: February 02

Posted 09 September 2022 - 12:45

If nobody else is going to mention it, I think it is appropriate to mark in some way here the passing of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth.

 

Coincidentally, motor sport was revolutionised from top to bottom through the 70 years of her extraordinary reign - with her nation's industry and sportsmen playing an immensely significant, and often game-changing role.

 

When her father died in February 1952, and Queen Elizabeth succeeded to the throne that he had never expected, nor even wanted, 'Autosport' matched the mood of the time with this tribute.

 

KG-VI-TRIBUTE-9-9-2220220909-13030142.jp[

 

Which I feel was most appropriate - and which is presently, justifiably, again appropriate to parallel.

 

But one fears that Carolean motor sporting feats will hardly match those of our 'New Elizabethans'. 

 

DCN


Edited by Doug Nye, 11 September 2022 - 15:06.


Advertisement

#2 Bloggsworth

Bloggsworth
  • Member

  • 9,168 posts
  • Joined: April 07

Posted 09 September 2022 - 13:00

HMQ was, in many ways, the best of us. Vivat Rex.



#3 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Administrator

  • 39,845 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 09 September 2022 - 13:11

This picture - and a couple of others - are circulating on Facebook. Her Majesty appears to be giving Nick Mason some advice on tuning his Ferrari ... although in fact (as Gary points out below) it is the actress Jeannette Charles who portrayed the Queen on many occasions on television and in films, as well as on various photo-shoots.

 

305814473-3355192298139038-4925468669341

 

The real Queen had of course undertaken training in motor mechanics during her time in the ATS:

 

queen_elizabeth_mechanic%2B%25282%2529.j


Edited by Vitesse2, 10 September 2022 - 06:52.


#4 Tim Murray

Tim Murray
  • Moderator

  • 24,166 posts
  • Joined: May 02

Posted 09 September 2022 - 14:42

4-B614913-D744-4-BA1-AB54-A790-F2626244.

Motorcycle training in the ATS, 1945.

She spent seventy years working so hard at a job she didn’t choose but had thrust upon her, and did it supremely well. I fear her successors will struggle to match her achievements. RIP.

#5 Bloggsworth

Bloggsworth
  • Member

  • 9,168 posts
  • Joined: April 07

Posted 09 September 2022 - 14:45

Classy tribute from Lewis Hamilton.



#6 Tim Murray

Tim Murray
  • Moderator

  • 24,166 posts
  • Joined: May 02

Posted 09 September 2022 - 14:47

ED072-BF6-9550-44-AB-AFDD-3310-F6-BA500-

#7 nicanary

nicanary
  • Member

  • 682 posts
  • Joined: February 12

Posted 09 September 2022 - 14:55

In the modern vernacular - "The girl done good".



#8 Gary C

Gary C
  • Member

  • 5,437 posts
  • Joined: January 01

Posted 09 September 2022 - 16:39

Er...that's not the Queen in the Nick Mason pic, it's the lookalike Jeanette Charles.

#9 JonnyA

JonnyA
  • New Member

  • 23 posts
  • Joined: October 14

Posted 09 September 2022 - 18:04

Thank you, Doug.



#10 Ray Bell

Ray Bell
  • Member

  • 76,641 posts
  • Joined: December 99

Posted 09 September 2022 - 22:17

Is that her mum with her in the underbonnet pic?

 

One has to admire both of these women.



#11 MarkBisset

MarkBisset
  • Member

  • 672 posts
  • Joined: September 15

Posted 09 September 2022 - 22:21


23-BC2125-AACB-4597-B6-EC-CAA21-D048376.

 

 

The Queen and Prince Philip alight the Regal Roller in Hobart during the 'smash hit, sellout' first (of 16 apparently) Australian 1954 tour.

 

Look at the joy on her face! Beauty, vibrancy, elegance and poise too. Meanwhile Jeeves is trying to remember where to next!

 

The Colonies are full of sadness too, of course.

 

(Libraries Tasmania)


Edited by MarkBisset, 09 September 2022 - 22:23.


#12 Ross Stonefeld

Ross Stonefeld
  • Member

  • 69,501 posts
  • Joined: August 99

Posted 09 September 2022 - 22:49

Er...that's not the Queen in the Nick Mason pic, it's the lookalike Jeanette Charles.

 

It's such an odd looking photo I thought it was photoshopped.



#13 cooper997

cooper997
  • Member

  • 3,536 posts
  • Joined: December 08

Posted 10 September 2022 - 03:12

Tim's post sums things up brilliantly.

 

Turning the TV on at 4.30am Friday morning Melbourne time to see the ABC covering the passing of Queen Elizabeth II came as surprise, rather than shock.

 

One can only conclude that for once in her long, brilliant life she has done something on her terms. What a lady! 

 

 

Just days after arriving in Sydney in 1954 The Australian Racing Driver's Club ran this meeting. It was the following weekend on from the Mount Druitt circuit being ruined by the 24 Hour Race with a lot of effort going into making it suitable for racing again. Not so sure the Royal Entourage visited, however Brabham, Tauranac, Gould, Jones, Hawkes et al were there.

 

In the main 11 lap NSW Royal Tour Racing Car Championship race (the then) Mr Brabham had to settle for second behind Jack Robinson's Jaguar Special. 

 

1954-Mt-Druitt-Royal-Championships-TNF.j

 

As the world mourns, my condolences to all.

 

 

Stephen


Edited by cooper997, 10 September 2022 - 03:22.


#14 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Administrator

  • 39,845 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 10 September 2022 - 06:55

Is that her mum with her in the underbonnet pic?

 

One has to admire both of these women.

It is, yes, Ray.



#15 Odseybod

Odseybod
  • Member

  • 1,741 posts
  • Joined: January 08

Posted 12 September 2022 - 15:09

I was impressed that for today's transport to his London engagements, our new King chose the straight-8 Phantom IV that was not only the first Rolls-Royce in the Royal Mews but also had very special links with the late Queen and her husband.

 

https://en.wikipedia...oyce_Phantom_IV



#16 Geoff E

Geoff E
  • Member

  • 1,493 posts
  • Joined: February 03

Posted 12 September 2022 - 16:19

Their Rolls-Royce needed a mechanic in Wolverhampton some years ago.

 

I imagine the film will disappear in the next 24 hours (and is UK only).  Start at approx 3m25s https://www.bbc.co.u...e-news-12092022



#17 Odseybod

Odseybod
  • Member

  • 1,741 posts
  • Joined: January 08

Posted 12 September 2022 - 16:48

Hope he didn't attack it with a Brummy screwdriver!



#18 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Administrator

  • 39,845 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 12 September 2022 - 18:11

Bit of a faux pas in the voiceover. Rolls Royces do not 'break down' - they 'fail to proceed'!



#19 arttidesco

arttidesco
  • Member

  • 6,698 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 12 September 2022 - 21:31

Did I see things right a Daimler being used to transport Her Majesty to Edinbrugh, I thought the family had dispensed with that marque many moons ago ? 



Advertisement

#20 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Administrator

  • 39,845 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 12 September 2022 - 21:54

Did I see things right a Daimler being used to transport Her Majesty to Edinbrugh, I thought the family had dispensed with that marque many moons ago ? 

No, it was a Mercedes. But you're right about Daimler losing its Royal Warrant, probably due to the hideously OTT and tasteless Docker Daimlers of the 1950s. Rolls Royce now hold the Royal Warrant.



#21 AllanL

AllanL
  • Member

  • 44 posts
  • Joined: November 14

Posted 13 September 2022 - 00:44

No, it was a Mercedes. But you're right about Daimler losing its Royal Warrant, probably due to the hideously OTT and tasteless Docker Daimlers of the 1950s. Rolls Royce now hold the Royal Warrant.

So still a Daimler (AG)? In practical terms there may have been a limited choice of vehicle manufacturers

A wonderful lady, how many would still be carrying out the job with grace and humour over 70 years and only two days before passing the crown to Charles III.

The ability of Charles and the rest of the family to graciously carry out their hectic duties in the immediate aftermath of such personal loss also amazes me.

#22 Alan Baker

Alan Baker
  • Member

  • 193 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 13 September 2022 - 11:21

No, it was a Mercedes. But you're right about Daimler losing its Royal Warrant, probably due to the hideously OTT and tasteless Docker Daimlers of the 1950s. Rolls Royce now hold the Royal Warrant.

The State limousines used by the late Queen for many years have been the special Bentley state limousines in service since 2002. They haven't acquired a Rolls Royce since 1987 and I do not believe that the current incarnation of Rolls Royce motor cars holds a royal warrant, but three of that marque are still in service, two Phantom VIs and the Phantom IV. It seems that King Charles has a preference for the old Phantoms and has yet to be seen in one of the Bentleys, one of which was used by The Princess Royal and her husband to accompany The Queen's hearse on the journey from Balmoral to Edinburgh. This may have been the first time that any Royal other than the Monarch has used one of these.



#23 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Administrator

  • 39,845 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 13 September 2022 - 12:03

You're right there, Alan, but on checking I was surprised to find that Bentley didn't have a Royal Warrant either. However, the Bentley dealership Jack Barclay (owned by HR Owen) does.

 

https://www.hrowen.l...-royal-warrant/



#24 Doug Nye

Doug Nye
  • Member

  • 11,197 posts
  • Joined: February 02

Posted 14 September 2022 - 16:21

The interweb has so much to answer for.  Here's an absurdity on so very many levels.

 

https://www.essentia...mpionship-race/

 

In discussion with Tim Murray and others yesterday evening, the often-repeated claim surfaced that Princess Elizabeth attended 'Royal Silverstone' to watch the 1950 British GP.  Tim instantly pointed out that our future Queen most certainly did not attend the event.  She was at that time some six months pregnant with Princess Anne.

 

It was her sister Princess Margaret who accompanied King George and Queen Elizabeth (the future Queen Mother) at that opening round of the FIA Drivers' World Championship. There is a photo showing King George greeting a driver line-up.  Prominent within it is the teenaged 500cc F3 driver Stirling Moss - who is plainly very impressed by the young Princess...

 

DCN



#25 Allan Lupton

Allan Lupton
  • Member

  • 4,027 posts
  • Joined: March 06

Posted 14 September 2022 - 17:30

The ill-educated author also seems to think "royalties" means members of the Royal Family. Even Wikipedia knows that is not the case . . .


Edited by Allan Lupton, 14 September 2022 - 17:31.


#26 marksixman

marksixman
  • Member

  • 128 posts
  • Joined: December 20

Posted 14 September 2022 - 17:48

Well said Doug. And well done for starting this thread.

 

As ever, don't believe a word you read in the press or on the internet, unless it has the initials DCN under it !!

 

One of my favourite, and longest-owned, books is "Royal Motoring" by J Dewar McLintock published in 1962. Some wonderful photographs of the Royal Family, and even a few racing cars ! If you see a copy snap it up. Mine is not for sale !!

 

Watched the events this afternoon (Wednesday), and congratulations to all involved. If there is one thing this country does better than historic racing it is Royal Pageantry.

 

God Save the King.

 



#27 Doug Nye

Doug Nye
  • Member

  • 11,197 posts
  • Joined: February 02

Posted 14 September 2022 - 18:04

Oh my, memories jogged now.  J. Dewar McLintock was a veteran member of the Guild of Motoring Writers when I first became a member way back in the mists.  The great Cyril Posthumus introduced him to me as "...our friend Dewar McFlintlock"...

 

DCN



#28 Myhinpaa

Myhinpaa
  • Member

  • 443 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 14 September 2022 - 18:14

1950-British-GP-Royal-visit.jpg

 

Queen Elisabeth I chatting to Prince Bira, Princess Margaret and Lord Mountbatten next to them. (BRDC archive)

 

1431505141627.jpg

 

 

British Pathé newsreel: https://youtu.be/yr2Z20U4y3E



#29 Alan Lewis

Alan Lewis
  • Member

  • 868 posts
  • Joined: December 02

Posted 14 September 2022 - 18:22

...As ever, don't believe a word you read in the press or on the internet, unless it has the initials DCN under it !!...


Ooh, I dunno. He said we were going to get a Volume 4.









(runs away. very, very quickly...)

#30 Tim Murray

Tim Murray
  • Moderator

  • 24,166 posts
  • Joined: May 02

Posted 14 September 2022 - 18:30

This might be the photo Doug was thinking of:

BCFD8-C66-B55-E-4-F9-C-8-AEF-026311374-F

#31 Ross Stonefeld

Ross Stonefeld
  • Member

  • 69,501 posts
  • Joined: August 99

Posted 14 September 2022 - 18:50

I think that's a classic case of a misleading photo angle as Margaret is not in Stirling's direct eyeline. He's bringing his hand up to meet the King's and presumably that's where he's looking. Or possibly he's bringing it down and the outstretched hand is offered for the gentleman closest in line to the camera. 

 

Or perhaps he's bringing his hand down having just shaken Margaret's(below link) and the King is next

 

https://www.motorspo...?year=1950&p=18

 

Regardless of permutation she's not in line with Stirling at that moment.


Edited by Ross Stonefeld, 14 September 2022 - 18:50.


#32 AJB2

AJB2
  • New Member

  • 11 posts
  • Joined: August 22

Posted 14 September 2022 - 19:40

The interweb has so much to answer for. Here's an absurdity on so very many levels.

https://www.essentia...mpionship-race/

In discussion with Tim Murray and others yesterday evening, the often-repeated claim surfaced that Princess Elizabeth attended 'Royal Silverstone' to watch the 1950 British GP. Tim instantly pointed out that our future Queen most certainly did not attend the event. She was at that time some six months pregnant with Princess Anne.

It was her sister Princess Margaret who accompanied King George and Queen Elizabeth (the future Queen Mother) at that opening round of the FIA Drivers' World Championship. There is a photo showing King George greeting a driver line-up. Prominent within it is the teenaged 500cc F3 driver Stirling Moss - who is plainly very impressed by the young Princess...

DCN


The author of that article “has always been an avid sports fan, with F1 and soccer being his two favorites. Due to his inherent love for sports and competition, he has been able to understand the world of F1 inside out.” I must check out his other articles so that I too can understand the world of F1 inside out.

#33 opplock

opplock
  • Member

  • 859 posts
  • Joined: January 10

Posted 14 September 2022 - 22:12

 

 

Queen Elisabeth I chatting to Prince Bira, Princess Margaret and Lord Mountbatten next to them. (BRDC archive)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks very well for a woman who died in 1603. 

 

Queen Elizabeth, wife of George VI, was Queen Consort and wasn't assigned a number.     



#34 john aston

john aston
  • Member

  • 2,382 posts
  • Joined: March 04

Posted 15 September 2022 - 06:22

If I may be permitted a moment of levity , Craig Brown's book about the late Princess Margaret = Ma'am Darling - is a wonderful read, and very , very funny. Let's just say she didn't share her sister's gravitas and sense of responsibility.  



#35 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 25,004 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 15 September 2022 - 09:41

 I am sure the future Sir Stirling was looking upon the young Princess with approval.  Why wouldn't he?



#36 AllanL

AllanL
  • Member

  • 44 posts
  • Joined: November 14

Posted 15 September 2022 - 21:24

Ooh, I dunno. He said we were going to get a Volume 4.

(runs away. very, very quickly...)

 

Beware, Doug may fool you all by going straight to "Volume 5 : Return to Glory - the Rover 200 Year" with a footnote that Bobby Ewing dropped the only draft of volume 4 in the shower and Lassie ate it.



#37 SamoanAttorney

SamoanAttorney
  • Member

  • 327 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 16 September 2022 - 04:51

Beware, Doug may fool you all by going straight to "Volume 5 : Return to Glory - the Rover 200 Year" with a footnote that Bobby Ewing dropped the only draft of volume 4 in the shower and Lassie ate it.

 

 

Would that cover the triumphant Mangoletsi era? :drunk:



#38 Doug Nye

Doug Nye
  • Member

  • 11,197 posts
  • Joined: February 02

Posted 18 September 2022 - 18:17

Oh yes. All the news fit to print...hopefully.   :well:

 

DCN



#39 P0wderf1nger

P0wderf1nger
  • Member

  • 417 posts
  • Joined: June 07

Posted 20 September 2022 - 11:54

I think I saw Jackie Stewart in St George's Chapel yesterday afternoon - on the front row of the Nave, to the left of the aisle as you look up towards the Quire.  

 

Did anyone else spot him?



Advertisement

#40 Tim Murray

Tim Murray
  • Moderator

  • 24,166 posts
  • Joined: May 02

Posted 20 September 2022 - 12:20

Yes indeed.