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[pacificquay]

2023 FIA Formula One World Championship calendar approved by WMSC | Federation Internationale de l'Automobile

 

24 races - ridiculous.

 

Totally devalues the worth of an individual grand prix.

[helioseism2]

Not at all ridiculous. More races, please!!!

[Rumblestrip]

That's crazy. How much do teams rotate their race staff during a season? Burn-out is a real possibility.

[MKSixer]

This is great for the sport!  Adapt and expand or die.  

[Astandahl]

24 races is insane.

 

18 was the sweet spot.

[babbel]

I doubt China will happen so there is a giant hole between Melbourne and Baku..

Edited by babbel, 20 September 2022 - 14:46.

[William Hunt]

The thing is in the past we had 16 and it was at the time imho perfect although as a child I for sure would have wanted 24 (that's the young age I guess). The races felt special but.... car reliability played a greater role. Today cars, top cars in particular, hardly abandon a race with a broken engine apart from a rare occasion (like Leclerc & Sainz once this year but once is not much at all compared to the old days).

So you get very predictable results today and if you downgrade the calendar again to 16 good chance we will see two teams winning every race, now because of the higher number of races we could still see a surprise like Alpine winning at Budapest, AlphaTauri & McLaren in Monza. Reduce the calendar and you reduce the chance of an outsider scoring a rare win.

I wonder: if we already had 24 races in the '80s how many drivers who never won would have scored a win then. I have a feeling someone like Derek Warwick might have scored a victory then in a race when the top teams had technical issues. 24 is 8 races more as 16 so 50% more!

Edited by William Hunt, 20 September 2022 - 14:51.

[William Hunt]

I doubt China will happen so there is a giant hole between Melbourne and Baku..

 

Correct, well spotted. Well I'm sure they will have a circuit on standby to replace that just in case, the whole is a bit too big. I assume that would be Turkey (Istanbul) since that is not so far from Azerbeidjan or otherwise Portugal (Portimao).

 

PS: I'd rather have 24 instead of 23 races if it keeps Spa Francorschamps on the calendar.

 

PS2: ideally they would do max 20 races with circuits rotating.

Edited by William Hunt, 20 September 2022 - 14:54.

[Anderis]

Spa before the summer break will feel weird.

[HerbieMcQueen]

2023 FIA Formula One World Championship calendar approved by WMSC | Federation Internationale de l'Automobile

 

24 races - ridiculous.

 

Totally devalues the worth of an individual grand prix.

Individual statistics and achievements have long been slowly devalued too in my eyes, thanks to this same phenomenon.

[William Hunt]

Spa before the summer break will feel weird.

 

It should be paired with Zandvoort because short distance between those two tracks so this is ridiculous if they claim to be sustainable (so is F2 in Australia for that matter)

 

Anyway: from May to July there is usually few rain in Belgium, april usually has a mix of sun & short rain moments. And the rain riks start agains at the end of August which is probably why they moved it to a less rain chance date I think. I love rain races though.

Edited by William Hunt, 20 September 2022 - 15:01.

[Shuffle]

China to Baku to Miami to Imola seems a bold choice. I'm not some one who's particularly bothered on the environmental effects of F1, but even I think that's a bit silly.

Edited by Shuffle, 20 September 2022 - 15:07.

[Risil]

Individual statistics and achievements have long been slowly devalued too in my eyes, thanks to this same phenomenon.

 

Tbf when haven't they been. There were more world championship races in 1990 than 1970 and more in 1970 than 1950.

[Risil]

Here's the calendar btw:

 

[HerbieMcQueen]

Tbf when haven't they been. There were more world championship races in 1990 than 1970 and more in 1970 than 1950.

Yep, as I said. I still watch like a hopeless addict.

[Pingu Pi]

Personally don't mind 24 races but i think we're bordering (if not on...) the limit.

 

That last 5 race stint is going to be tough on the teams at the end of a long season.

 

Chuffed to see Spa hold onto a spot. 

Edited by Pingu Pi, 20 September 2022 - 15:07.

[Izzyeviel]

Nice to see F1 back in places currently committing genocide. I presume Russia will be back for 2024.

[Muppetmad]

Going straight from Las Vegas to Abu Dhabi is going to be brutal. I feel for the teams there, especially if either of the titles go down to the last race.

[William Hunt]

Yep, as I said. I still watch like a hopeless addict.

 

Even when races are so boring and Max wins every race (like Lewis did before and Sebastian before Lewis and Michael before Sebastian) people like us keep on watching, we must be masochists, it's addicitve like crack

[Clatter]

Personally don't mind 24 races but i think we're bordering (if not on...) the limit.

That last 5 race stint is going to be tough on the teams at the end of a long season.

Chuffed to see Spa hold onto a spot.

At the moment they only have that slot for next year though, so still under threat.

[William Hunt]

Nice to see F1 back in places currently committing genocide. I presume Russia will be back for 2024.

 

The Vladimir Grand Prix of Crimea in the harbour of Sevastopol with Russian war ships on the backround sponsored by Gazprom.

That said: F1 has always been hypocrite: they raced in Argentina during a far right US sponsored junta regime (FIFA even held a World Cup soccer there, under the stadium of one of the locations people were tortured....), they raced in south Africa during Apartheid. In the US under Trump and in the US in the '70s & '80s when they were installing junta regimes all over the world and doing invasions / fighting in Vietnam, Turkey under Erdogan, Brazil under Bolsonaro one could also say Italy under Berlusconi (a gangster, mobster). China is not exactly a very open and democratic country either.
F1 also raced in the '60s and early '70s in Spain under the far right Franco regime. I guess we also need a race in North Korea with crazy Kim promoting himself.

 

Human rights have never been high on F1's priority list. They only stopped racing in South Africa after the '80s because public pressure became so hard that the French teams Ligier & Renault boycotted the '85 Grand Prix.

Edited by William Hunt, 20 September 2022 - 15:19.

[OvDrone]

There is no way in hell China is returning.
Not in the lockdown authoritarian pit of despair it has sadly become.

I will cut 10 races from that list for me to watch. The calendar is getting too big to fit my personal life and it goes the same for MotoGP, Nascar and others, especially as I'm shifting gears towards more Endurance, GT and Motocross these years.

Feels oddly liberating.

Edited by OvDrone, 20 September 2022 - 15:28.

[AustinF1]

This calendar includes the weekends with no races ...

 

Baku to Miami? Las Vegas to Abu Dhabi? Whoa.

 

Edited by AustinF1, 20 September 2022 - 15:34.

[Risil]

I do enjoy the sheer unlikelihood that in spite of all this internationalization and pressure on races we somehow have Grands Prix at Imola and Monza again.

[ArnageWRC]

An awful calendar. Overkill, quantity over quality......Taking people for mugs......

 

The only good thing they've done is leave June 11th free.... Le Mans 24 Hours weekend, the centenary of the great race.

[Louis Mr. F1]

The season is getting so long that we need a calendar safety car period to reset the championship table, to stop run away points leader.

[William Hunt]

Maybe they can do two world championships in one year now: each of 12 races...In '69 there were 11 rounds, in '70 13.

[FirstnameLastname]

Scrap the off-season and make it a 12-month series

[azza200]

Crazy that its 2 months into season before the European races begins 

[Mechanic44]

More races yet still keeping 3 engines a season and a budget cap that is just totally unrealistic.

Oh and Monaco signed up to 2025 is probably the worst news.

[ARTGP]

Silver lining. If the calendar was shorter, it would be at the expense of the classic. Races like Imola, Spa, Monza, Silverstone, Japan wouldn't be able to outbid rounds like Qatar, Miami, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Baku.

[ARTGP]

On 3 engines? 

 

 

If you even so much as sneeze....grid penalty 

Edited by ARTGP, 20 September 2022 - 16:22.

[FLB]

At this point, I think it's not *if*, it's *when* we'll get reverse grids... 

[GlenWatkins]

Between IndyCar & F1, it's going to be a busy month of May.

[Anja]

Can't say I'm happy about the Qatar GP staying at Losail. Its first race wasn't terrible but it's just so bland and lifeless. Both the circuit itself and the venue.

Edited by Anja, 20 September 2022 - 16:35.

[Ickx]

Well, it will make no difference to me. I already don't bother with back-to-back races so only a few more that I will not care about. 

[Westcoustskt]

No way i can keep interest upp that many races.
That and the sprint races, its just to much.

[William Hunt]

Did they also anounce where the sprint races would be? Sprint races would only be interesting if they reversed the grid

[azza200]

Can't say I'm happy about the Qatar GP staying at Losail. Its first race wasn't terrible but it's just so bland and lifeless. Both the circuit itself and the venue.

 

Just like all the other races in middle east then 

[AustinF1]

More races yet still keeping 3 engines a season and a budget cap that is just totally unrealistic.

Oh and Monaco signed up to 2025 is probably the worst news.

 

 

On 3 engines? 

 

 

If you even so much as sneeze....grid penalty 

 

I thought the plan was to raise the engine limit when they reached X number of races. Are they not going to raise it? 

 

Engine limits are beyond idiotic in the first place. They don't save money. They cost more money and penalize drivers and teams unnecessarily. They aren't 'green', either. They're building more engines because of engine limits than they were before with no limits, and these engines are far more expensive.

Edited by AustinF1, 20 September 2022 - 19:04.

[Astandahl]

Only good news is Imola in May. I will go for sure.

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

Sprint races not confirmed yet. Re the number of races, that's nearly half the year with a race. The increase in the number of races hasn't altered the fact that I still watch quali and the race for all of them, but at times it does seem a bit much having so many races

[68targa]

F1 are slipping up here, don't they know there are another 28 spare weekends to fill ! 

[DeKnyff]

Crazy that its 2 months into season before the European races begins 

 

It has always been more or less like that. In the seventies and eighties, you had Argentina, Brazil and South Africa in January or February and the European season started aApril or May, usually in Spain.

[Alexis*27]

I would have thought a schedule something like this would be more logical:

Australia
Bahrain
Quatar
Saudi Arabia
(Fly home)
Spain
Imola
Monaco
Azabaijan
China
Canada
Miami
(Fly home)
Britain
Austria
Hungary
(Summer break)
Belgium
Netherlands
Italy
Abu Dhabi
Singapore
Japan
USA
Las Vegas
Mexico
Brazil

[ConsiderAndGo]

So much for making the races more regional.

The logistics of this calendar is just laughable.

24 is way too many. Should be 20 max.

Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 20 September 2022 - 17:18.

[DinocoBlue]

24 now, whats to stop them adding more? After all there was talk of Kyalami returning (which I'm for. Personally instead of some of the other newer additions).

 

18 - 20 races was just right. This just feels like diluting the product.

[genius83]

The only ridiculous stuff is having 3 engines for 24 race weekends . They need to add another 2 atleast or 3 at most for the whole season in the original allocations otherwise we will have penalty galore and raining penalties like Spa and Monza this season.

[AustinF1]

24 now, whats to stop them adding more? After all there was talk of Kyalami returning (which I'm for. Personally instead of some of the other newer additions).

 

18 - 20 races was just right. This just feels like diluting the product.

LM gotta wring every dollar possible out of the show before they sell high. Remember when so many people said 'Anyone would be better than Bernie', and 'It can get any worse'?

 

That was cute. It can always be worse.

Edited by AustinF1, 20 September 2022 - 17:12.

[Astandahl]

The only ridiculous stuff is having 3 engines for 24 race weekends . They need to add another 2 atleast or 3 at most for the whole season in the original allocations otherwise we will have penalty galore and raining penalties like Spa and Monza this season.

Agreed. Only 3 engines is so stupid.