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#1 William Hunt

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Posted 22 September 2022 - 00:23

The post season F3 testing has started this week with a 3 day test session at Jerez and teams trying out new drivers so this also kicks in the start of the 2023 F3 Silly Season:

 

Jerez 22/09 F3 test morning session:

 

1 Gabriele Mini Hitech GP 1m30.500s   26

2 Kaylen Frederick ART Grand Prix 1m30.736s +0.236s 15

3 Pepe Marti Campos Racing 1m30.957s +0.457s 24

4 Zak O’Sullivan Prema 1m31.147s +0.647s 20

5 Reece Ushijima Hitech GP 1m31.182s +0.682s 35

6 Gregoire Saucy ART Grand Prix 1m31.196s +0.696s 19

7 Christian Mansell Campos Racing 1m31.201s +0.701s 26

8 Sebastian Montoya Hitech GP 1m31.208s +0.708s 33

9 Jonny Edgar MP Motorsport 1m31.250s +0.750s 28

10 Oliver Goethe Trident 1m31.369s +0.869s 23

11 Hunter Yeany Carlin 1m31.376s +0.876s 32

12 Francesco Pizzi Campos Racing 1m31.415s +0.915s 27

13 Paul Aron Prema 1m31.432s +0.932s 19

14 Franco Colapinto MP Motorsport 1m31.440s +0.940s 28

15 Dino Beganovic Prema 1m31.660s +1.160s 20

16 Taylor Barnard Jenzer Motorsport 1m31.723s +1.223s 24

17 Rafael Villagomez Van Amersfoort Racing 1m31.777s +1.277s 26

18 Mari Boya MP Motorsport 1m31.822s +1.322s 26

19 Gabriel Bortoleto Trident 1m31.849s +1.349s 22

20 Nikita Bedrin Jenzer Motorsport 1m31.869s +1.369s 30

21 Leonardo Fornaroli Trident 1m32.042s +1.542s 21

22 Nikola Tsolov ART Grand Prix 1m32.076s +1.576s 19

23 Arias Deukmedjian Carlin 1m32.174s +1.674s 31

24 Joel Granfors Carlin 1m32.265s +1.765s 32

25 Alessandro Famularo Charouz Racing System 1m32.367s +1.867s 31

26 Emmo Fittipaldi Charouz Racing System 1m32.659s +2.159s 38

27 Noel Leon Van Amersfoort Racing 1m32.674s +2.174s 34

28 Nicola Marinangeli Charouz Racing System 1m33.015s +2.515s 30

29 Roberto Faria Van Amersfoort Racing 1m33.067s +2.567s 32

30 Alex Garcia Jenzer Motorsport 1m33.154s +2.654s 29

 

Jerez 22/09 F3 test afternoon session:

 

1 Kaylen Frederick ART Grand Prix 1m31.275s   37

2 Dino Beganovic Prema 1m31.358s +0.083s 34

3 Gregoire Saucy ART Grand Prix 1m31.378s +0.103s 36

4 Rafael Villagomez Van Amersfoort Racing 1m31.400s +0.125s 37

5 Gabriel Bortoleto Trident 1m31.499s +0.224s 37

6 Zak O’Sullivan Prema 1m31.509s +0.234s 33

7 Oliver Goethe Trident 1m31.670s +0.395s 30

8 Paul Aron Prema 1m31.675s +0.400s 32

9 Reece Ushijima Hitech GP 1m31.694s +0.419s 39

10 Taylor Barnard Jenzer Motorsport 1m31.744s +0.469s 30

11 Pepe Marti Campos Racing 1m31.763s +0.488s 33

12 Leonardo Fornaroli Trident 1m31.839s +0.564s 26

13 Christian Mansell Campos Racing 1m31.859s +0.584s 37

14 Francesco Pizzi Campos Racing 1m31.922s +0.647s 28

15 Nikita Bedrin Jenzer Motorsport 1m31.985s +0.710s 30

16 Nikola Tsolov ART Grand Prix 1m32.142s +0.867s 43

17 Alessandro Famularo Charouz Racing System 1m32.148s +0.873s 30

18 Joel Granfors Fortec Motorsports 1m32.176s +0.901s 32

19 Noel Leon Van Amersfoort Racing 1m32.268s +0.993s 44

20 Hunter Yeany Carlin 1m32.547s +1.272s 19

21 Arias Deukmedjian Carlin 1m32.751s +1.476s 33

22 Roberto Faria Van Amersfoort Racing 1m32.981s +1.706s 38

23 Nicola Marinangeli Charouz Racing System 1m33.186s +1.911s 28

24 Mari Boya MP Motorsport 1m33.427s +2.152s 47

25 Sebastian Montoya Hitech GP 1m33.522s +2.247s 17

26 Gabriele Mini Hitech GP 1m33.577s +2.302s 19

27 Franco Colapinto MP Motorsport 1m33.622s +2.347s 47

28 Emmo Fittipaldi Charouz Racing System 1m33.634s +2.359s 21

29 Jonny Edgar MP Motorsport 1m33.709s +2.434s 51

30 Alex Garcia Jenzer Motorsport 1m33.754s +2.479s 26


Edited by William Hunt, 22 September 2022 - 00:26.


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#2 Frood

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Posted 22 September 2022 - 06:21

A few interesting names at the test. A lot of names who also don't deserve a seat in F3, but time will tell!

If O'Sullivan is in at Prema, then you'd have to think he'd be a strong favourite with a years' experience under his belt.

#3 William Hunt

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Posted 22 September 2022 - 23:09

Day 2 Morning Session:

 

1 Gabriel Bortoleto Trident 1m29.554s 29
2 Pepe Marti Campos Racing 1m29.927s +0.373s 30
3 Zak O’Sullivan Prema 1m30.025s +0.471s 45
4 Kaylen Frederick ART Grand Prix 1m30.040s +0.486s 49
5 Oliver Goethe Trident 1m30.046s +0.492s 31
6 Leonardo Fornaroli Trident 1m30.090s +0.536s 26
7 Paul Aron Prema 1m30.186s +0.632s 44
8 Gabriele Mini Hitech GP 1m30.204s +0.650s 48
9 Franco Colapinto MP Motorsport 1m30.206s +0.652s 41
10 Taylor Barnard Jenzer Motorsport 1m30.228s +0.674s 20
11 Sebastian Montoya Hitech GP 1m30.262s +0.708s 45
12 Dino Beganovic Prema 1m30.383s +0.829s 44
13 Rafael Villagomez Van Amersfoort Racing 1m30.417s +0.863s 38
14 Mari Boya MP Motorsport 1m30.473s +0.919s 41
15 Christian Mansell Campos Racing 1m30.527s +0.973s 38
16 Nikola Tsolov ART Grand Prix 1m30.548s +0.994s 54
17 Nikita Bedrin Jenzer Motorsport 1m30.575s +1.021s 32
18 Jonny Edgar MP Motorsport 1m30.603s +1.049s 38
19 Joel Granfors Carlin 1m30.795s +1.241s 40
20 Hadrien David Carlin 1m30.976s +1.422s 47
21 Reece Ushijima Hitech GP 1m31.052s +1.498s 40
22 Lorenzo Fluxa Van Amersfoort Racing 1m31.151s +1.597s 44
23 Arias Deukmedjian Carlin 1m31.172s +1.618s 40
24 Hugh Barter Campos Racing 1m31.188s +1.634s 39
25 Alessandro Famularo Charouz Racing System 1m31.367s +1.813s 39
26 Roberto Faria ART Grand Prix 1m31.473s +1.919s 35
27 Nicola Marinangeli Charouz Racing System 1m31.546s +1.992s 42
28 Max Esterson Van Amersfoort Racing 1m31.590s +2.036s 44
29 Matias Zagazeta Charouz Racing System 1m31.669s +2.115s 49
30 Alex Garcia Jenzer Motorsport 1m32.135s +2.581s 30
 
Day 2 Afternoon Session:
1 Pepe Marti Campos Racing 1m31.324s 22
2 Gabriele Mini Hitech GP 1m31.442s +0.118s 24
3 Paul Aron Prema 1m31.460s +0.136s 42
4 Dino Beganovic Prema 1m31.472s +0.148s 42
5 Leonardo Fornaroli Trident 1m31.482s +0.158s 38
6 Zak O’Sullivan Prema 1m31.511s +0.187s 43
7 Oliver Goethe Trident 1m31.548s +0.224s 42
8 Reece Ushijima Hitech GP 1m31.641s +0.317s 36
9 Kaylen Frederick ART Grand Prix 1m31.739s +0.415s 44
10 Gabriel Bortoleto Trident 1m31.747s +0.423s 32
11 Sebastian Montoya Hitech GP 1m31.828s +0.504s 38
12 Hadrien David Carlin 1m31.856s +0.532s 42
13 Franco Colapinto MP Motorsport 1m31.868s +0.544s 50
14 Joel Granfors Carlin 1m31.921s +0.597s 42
15 Christian Mansell Campos Racing 1m31.952s +0.628s 41
16 Max Esterson Van Amersfoort Racing 1m31.976s +0.652s 45
17 Lorenzo Fluxa Van Amersfoort Racing 1m32.064s +0.740s 46
18 Hugh Barter Campos Racing 1m32.226s +0.902s 52
19 Nikola Tsolov ART Grand Prix 1m32.309s +0.985s 42
20 Matias Zagazeta Charouz Racing System 1m32.410s +1.086s 44
21 Roberto Faria ART Grand Prix 1m32.519s +1.195s 33
22 Nikita Bedrin Jenzer Motorsport 1m32.526s +1.202s 32
23 Taylor Barnard Jenzer Motorsport 1m32.640s +1.316s 18
24 Rafael Villagomez Van Amersfoort Racing 1m32.756s +1.432s 40
25 Alessandro Famularo Charouz Racing System 1m32.900s +1.576s 44
26 Arias Deukmedjian Carlin 1m33.292s +1.968s 40
27 Nicola Marinangeli Charouz Racing System 1m33.329s +2.005s 55
28 Alex Garcia Jenzer Motorsport 1m33.493s +2.169s 36
29 Mari Boya MP Motorsport 1m33.744s +2.420s 50
30 Jonny Edgar MP Motorsport 1m33.817s +2.493s 54
 
PS: earlier this week it was anounced that Pepe Marti has joined Fernando Alonso's management program. He joins Clément Novalak (Fra, F2),  Gabriel Bortoletto  (Bra, F. Regiona Europe), Nikola Tsolov  (Bul, F4) & Andrés Cardena  (Peru, OK Jr.)


#4 William Hunt

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Posted 24 September 2022 - 01:09

Day 3 (final day) morning session:

1 Franco Colapinto MP Motorsport 1m29.617s 45
2 Oliver Goethe Trident 1m29.660s +0.043s 37
3 Gabriel Bortoleto Trident 1m29.690s +0.073s 36
4 Gabriele Mini Hitech GP 1m29.930s +0.313s 26
5 Pepe Marti Campos Racing 1m30.103s +0.486s 33
6 Dino Beganovic Prema 1m30.129s +0.512s 38
7 Taylor Barnard Jenzer Motorsport 1m30.164s +0.547s 26
8 Paul Aron Prema 1m30.180s +0.563s 38
9 Zak O’Sullivan Prema 1m30.194s +0.577s 40
10 Mari Boya MP Motorsport 1m30.197s +0.580s 32
11 Francesco Pizzi Campos Racing 1m30.241s +0.624s 33
12 Reece Ushijima Hitech GP 1m30.297s +0.680s 32
13 Jonny Edgar MP Motorsport 1m30.304s +0.687s 41
14 Nikita Bedrin Jenzer Motorsport 1m30.361s +0.744s 29
15 Leonardo Fornaroli Trident 1m30.372s +0.755s 40
16 Sebastian Montoya Hitech GP 1m30.554s +0.937s 41
17 Lorenzo Fluxa Van Amersfoort Racing 1m30.561s +0.944s 43
18 Nikola Tsolov ART Grand Prix 1m30.600s +0.983s 48
19 Joel Granfors Carlin 1m30.647s +1.030s 39
20 Brad Benavides ART Grand Prix 1m30.647s +1.030s 46
21 Rafael Villagomez Van Amersfoort Racing 1m30.689s +1.072s 43
22 Hadrien David Carlin 1m30.728s +1.111s 35
23 Max Esterson Van Amersfoort Racing 1m30.769s +1.152s 41
24 Alessandro Famularo Charouz Racing System 1m30.946s +1.329s 46
25 Hugh Barter Campos Racing 1m30.992s +1.375s 24
26 Roberto Faria ART Grand Prix 1m31.228s +1.611s 41
27 Nicola Marinangeli Charouz Racing System 1m31.260s +1.643s 37
28 Matias Zagazeta Charouz Racing System 1m31.306s +1.689s 32
29 Arias Deukmedjian Carlin 1m31.411s +1.794s 35
30 Alex Garcia Jenzer Motorsport 1m31.632s +2.015s 24
 
Day 3 afternoon session:
1 Taylor Barnard Jenzer Motorsport 1m31.280s 17
2 Pepe Marti Campos Racing 1m31.489s +0.210s 52
3 Hugh Barter Campos Racing 1m31.610s +0.330s 53
4 Nikita Bedrin Jenzer Motorsport 1m31.802s +0.522s 31
5 Francesco Pizzi Campos Racing 1m31.806s +0.526s 47
6 Brad Benavides ART Grand Prix 1m31.838s +0.558s 35
7 Hadrien David Carlin 1m31.849s +0.569s 38
8 Matias Zagazeta Charouz Racing System 1m31.942s +0.662s 44
9 Max Esterson Van Amersfoort Racing 1m31.962s +0.682s 42
10 Joel Granfors MP Motorsport 1m32.143s +0.863s 38
11 Mari Boya MP Motorsport 1m32.345s +1.065s 29
12 Lorenzo Fluxa Van Amersfoort Racing 1m32.410s +1.130s 40
13 Alessandro Famularo Charouz Racing System 1m32.586s +1.306s 29
14 Franco Colapinto MP Motorsport 1m32.739s +1.459s 37
15 Gabriel Bortoleto Trident 1m32.901s +1.621s 46
16 Jonny Edgar MP Motorsport 1m32.937s +1.657s 47
17 Leonardo Fornaroli Trident 1m33.184s +1.904s 32
18 Nikola Tsolov ART Grand Prix 1m33.341s +2.061s 45
19 Nicola Marinangeli Charouz Racing System 1m33.561s +2.281s 39
20 Gabriele Mini Hitech GP 1m33.611s +2.331s 46
21 Paul Aron Prema 1m33.621s +2.341s 51
22 Oliver Goethe Trident 1m33.693s +2.414s 38
23 Arias Deukmedjian Carlin 1m33.719s +2.439s 33
24 Dino Beganovic Prema 1m33.747s +2.467s 51
25 Sebastian Montoya Hitech GP 1m33.761s +2.481s 30
26 Rafael Villagomez Van Amersfoort Racing 1m34.020s +2.740s 24
27 Reece Ushijima Hitech GP 1m34.052s +2.773s 44
28 Zak O’Sullivan Prema 1m34.104s +2.824s 54
29 Roberto Faria ART Grand Prix 1m34.704s +3.424s 37
30 Alex Garcia Jenzer Motorsport 1m34.900s +3.620s 32

Edited by William Hunt, 24 September 2022 - 01:09.


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Posted 28 September 2022 - 13:08

First signing for 2023 Formula 3 season: Gabriel Bortoleto, protege of Fernando Alonso, will race for Trident.

 

https://formulascout...h-trident/99133

 

Prema:

Trident: Gabriel Bortoleto

ART:

MP:

Hitech:

Van Amersfoort:

Carlin:
Campos:

Jenzer:

Charouz:

 

Those drivers tested F3:

Prema: Paul Aron, Dino Beganovic, Zak O'Sullivan

Trident: Gabriel Bortoleto, Leonardo Fornaroli, Oliver Goethe

ART: Gregoire Saucy, Brand Benavides, Nikola Tsolov, Roberto Faria, Kaylen Frederick

MP: Mari Boya, Franco Colapinto, Jonny Edgar

Hitech: Gabriele Mini, Sebastian Montoya, Reece Ushijma

Van Amersfoort: Noel Leon, Max Esteron, Lorenzo Fluxa, Rafael Villagomez

Carlin: Hunter Yeany, Hadrien David, Arias Denkmedjian, Joel Granfors

Campos: Pepe Marti, Hugh Barter, Francesco Pizzi, Christian Mansell

Jenzer: Taylor Barnard, Nikita Bredin, Alex Garcia

Charouz: Emmo Fittipaldi, Matias Zagazeta, Alessandro Famularo, Nicola Marinangeli



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Posted 28 September 2022 - 19:29

Charouz didn't exactly run very talented drivers. Marinangelli, Garcia, Deumedian... please keep those rich kids with no talent out of F3. Villagomez, Yeany, Benavides.... F3 deserves better drivers. That's what you get when F3 is so insanely expensive (between 750.000 & 1.2 million $ per year). I guess FIA wants it to be a sport for multi millionaire (or even billioniaire) sons... very very sad. Yeany may have won a US F4 title but that level is far lower as in Europe.

 

The big talents: Gabriele Mini, Nikola Tsolov (would let him do F. Regional first instead of rushing him because he's going to get stuck / blocked in Alpine's Academy too soon otherwise by the likes of Doohan & Martins or even David and that would be a shame), Dino Beganovic, Paul Aron,Taylor Barnard, Nikita Bedrin, Hadrien David

 

The talents:  Leonardo Fornaroli, Sebastian Montoya, Hugh Barter, Francesco Colapinto, Francesco Pizzi, Jonny Edgar (if he recovers fully from his illness could come good), Zak O' Sullivan, Gabriel Bortoleto

 

Reasonable talents:  Mari Boya, Pepe Marti, Joel Granfors, Lorenzo Fluxa

 

Average ro reasonable: Gregoire Saucy (hardly did karting though so better as people judge him), Oliver Goethe, Kaylen Frederick, , etc....

 

Mediocre to bad: Rafael Villagomez, Hunter Yeany, Max Esterson (still little experience though, came from F. Ford, decent season in GB3), Reece Ushijima, Emmo Fittipaldi Jr., Roberto Faria (couldn't challenge for GB3 title in 3rd season but at least showed decent speed), Alessandro Famularo (dissapointing at Prema in F4), Christian Mansell,  Noel Leon (poor debut season in F. Regional but jumping from Mexico to Europe is hard), Brad Benavides (decent shifter karter, hasn't shown anything yet in cars)....

 

Plain bad: Nicola Marinangelli, Alex Garcia, Arias Deukmedian


Edited by William Hunt, 28 September 2022 - 19:43.


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Posted 28 September 2022 - 20:26

Charouz didn't exactly run very talented drivers. Marinangelli, Garcia, Deumedian... please keep those rich kids with no talent out of F3. Villagomez, Yeany, Benavides.... F3 deserves better drivers. That's what you get when F3 is so insanely expensive (between 750.000 & 1.2 million $ per year). I guess FIA wants it to be a sport for multi millionaire (or even billioniaire) sons... very very sad. Yeany may have won a US F4 title but that level is far lower as in Europe.

 

The big talents: Gabriele Mini, Nikola Tsolov (would let him do F. Regional first instead of rushing him because he's going to get stuck / blocked in Alpine's Academy too soon otherwise by the likes of Doohan & Martins or even David and that would be a shame), Dino Beganovic, Paul Aron,Taylor Barnard, Nikita Bedrin, Hadrien David

 

The talents:  Leonardo Fornaroli, Sebastian Montoya, Hugh Barter, Francesco Colapinto, Francesco Pizzi, Jonny Edgar (if he recovers fully from his illness could come good), Zak O' Sullivan, Gabriel Bortoleto

 

Reasonable talents:  Mari Boya, Pepe Marti, Joel Granfors, Lorenzo Fluxa

 

Average ro reasonable: Gregoire Saucy (hardly did karting though so better as people judge him), Oliver Goethe, Kaylen Frederick, , etc....

 

Mediocre to bad: Rafael Villagomez, Hunter Yeany, Max Esterson (still little experience though, came from F. Ford, decent season in GB3), Reece Ushijima, Emmo Fittipaldi Jr., Roberto Faria (couldn't challenge for GB3 title in 3rd season but at least showed decent speed), Alessandro Famularo (dissapointing at Prema in F4), Christian Mansell,  Noel Leon (poor debut season in F. Regional but jumping from Mexico to Europe is hard), Brad Benavides (decent shifter karter, hasn't shown anything yet in cars)....

 

Plain bad: Nicola Marinangelli, Alex Garcia, Arias Deukmedian

I think Franco Colapinto and Zak O' Sullivan have enough talent to be in big talents group, what Zak can achive in Carlin is better than everyone in last years at F3 for they. And Dino and Aron not so good in formulas , both not show something real special in first years in F4 (like Antonelli or Mini i mean) both not show similar to Hadjar or Maloney level in first season at FRegional.  



#8 William Hunt

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Posted 28 September 2022 - 22:40

Colapinto I think so too. O'Sullivan maybe, he's done well this year. But none of them are in the same talent league as Gabriele Mini. Jonny Edgar's development was slowed by his illness so it's fair to judge him later, he had some good drivers at the end of the year.


Edited by William Hunt, 28 September 2022 - 22:41.


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Posted 09 October 2022 - 06:25

Prema: Paul Aron

Trident: Gabriel Bortoleto

ART:

MP:

Hitech:

Van Amersfoort:

Carlin:
Campos:

Jenzer:

Charouz:

 

Those drivers tested F3:

Prema: Dino Beganovic, Zak O'Sullivan

Trident: Gabriel Bortoleto, Leonardo Fornaroli, Oliver Goethe

ART: Gregoire Saucy, Brand Benavides, Nikola Tsolov, Roberto Faria, Kaylen Frederick

MP: Mari Boya, Franco Colapinto, Jonny Edgar

Hitech: Gabriele Mini, Sebastian Montoya, Reece Ushijma

Van Amersfoort: Noel Leon, Max Esteron, Lorenzo Fluxa, Rafael Villagomez

Carlin: Hunter Yeany, Hadrien David, Arias Denkmedjian, Joel Granfors

Campos: Pepe Marti, Hugh Barter, Francesco Pizzi, Christian Mansell

Jenzer: Taylor Barnard, Nikita Bredin, Alex Garcia

Charouz: Emmo Fittipaldi, Matias Zagazeta, Alessandro Famularo, Nicola Marinangeli



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Posted 29 October 2022 - 13:30

Prema: Paul Aron, Dino Beganovic

Trident: Gabriel Bortoleto

ART:

MP:

Hitech:

Van Amersfoort:

Carlin:
Campos:

Jenzer:

Charouz:

 

Those drivers tested F3:

Prema: Zak O'Sullivan

Trident: Gabriel Bortoleto, Leonardo Fornaroli, Oliver Goethe

ART: Gregoire Saucy, Brand Benavides, Nikola Tsolov, Roberto Faria, Kaylen Frederick

MP: Mari Boya, Franco Colapinto, Jonny Edgar

Hitech: Gabriele Mini, Sebastian Montoya, Reece Ushijma

Van Amersfoort: Noel Leon, Max Esteron, Lorenzo Fluxa, Rafael Villagomez

Carlin: Hunter Yeany, Hadrien David, Arias Denkmedjian, Joel Granfors

Campos: Pepe Marti, Hugh Barter, Francesco Pizzi, Christian Mansell

Jenzer: Taylor Barnard, Nikita Bredin, Alex Garcia

Charouz: Emmo Fittipaldi, Matias Zagazeta, Alessandro Famularo, Nicola Marinangeli



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Posted 30 October 2022 - 16:56

Beganovic has been officially confirmed to Prema: F3 / Ufficiale: Dino Beganovic con Prema nel 2023 - Formule - Motorsport (formulapassion.it) (in italiano)



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Posted 30 October 2022 - 16:59

Surely Prema must be giving Antonelli a seat?



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Posted 30 October 2022 - 17:08

Surely Prema must be giving Antonelli a seat?


Antonelli is headed FRECA.

There is rumour of a minimum age limit for FIA F3 of 17 Y/O going rounds according to Alex Dunne discord.

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Posted 30 October 2022 - 17:08

I understand that Hadrien David ran out of cash.

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Posted 30 October 2022 - 17:12

Antonelli is headed FRECA.

There is rumour of a minimum age limit for FIA F3 of 17 Y/O going rounds according to Alex Dunne discord.

That's a real shame, and strikes me as a waste of a year for Antonelli. I don't understand why the FIA is feeling the need to introduce these minimum age limits.



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Posted 30 October 2022 - 17:29

That's a real shame, and strikes me as a waste of a year for Antonelli. I don't understand why the FIA is feeling the need to introduce these minimum age limits.

There was some sort of denial of that from F3 organizers. Some other rumor was that Mercedes wants Aron in F3. 



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Posted 30 October 2022 - 17:51

Surely Prema must be giving Antonelli a seat?

Well, there is some pretty funky stuff going on in the GT/Sportscar world that got me thinking.

 

Iron Lynx/Iron Dames are pretty much the same people as Prema (DC Racing Solutions Prema ties up with Iron Lynx team under new owner - Formula Scout , DC Racing Solutions SA à Zug - Renseignements | Moneyhouse ). Iron Lynx/Prema will reportedly be the official Lamborghini team when Sant'Agata Bolognese enters the FIA WEC.

 

 

 

With Lambo being legally a subsiduary of Audi... Could we see a Prema/Audi tie up at some point? As an official driver development partner for a potential Audi Junior Team? One that will need to have some room available pretty damn soon?


Edited by FLB, 30 October 2022 - 17:52.


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Posted 30 October 2022 - 18:56

It will serve all the young racers well if F3 and F2 install an age limit.



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Posted 30 October 2022 - 19:17

It will serve all the young racers well if F3 and F2 install an age limit.

 

They should raise the age limit of F4 (that's now 15) to 16, that automatically means they would arrive 1 year older at F3 & F2. Currently age limit is 15 for F4, 16 for F. Regional or FIA F3, 17 for F2, 18 for F1. 

Now the reason that they are rushing drivers often so quickly is actually that the cost of feeder series is very high so the best would be off course to lower the cost per season of single seaters (and to make karting cheaper as well: that's also very difficult because to succeed at top level karting your kid actually needs to move to Italy so that already represents a significant cost).


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Posted 01 November 2022 - 18:01

The dates have been said about and I noted a trip to Monte Carlo is on the f3 This time around

#21 jee

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Posted 01 November 2022 - 18:11

They should raise the age limit of F4 (that's now 15) to 16, that automatically means they would arrive 1 year older at F3 & F2. Currently age limit is 15 for F4, 16 for F. Regional or FIA F3, 17 for F2, 18 for F1. 

Now the reason that they are rushing drivers often so quickly is actually that the cost of feeder series is very high so the best would be off course to lower the cost per season of single seaters (and to make karting cheaper as well: that's also very difficult because to succeed at top level karting your kid actually needs to move to Italy so that already represents a significant cost).

Maybe require license points as well for major series like F3 and F2 would solve the problem.



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Posted 01 November 2022 - 20:10

Maybe require license points as well for major series like F3 and F2 would solve the problem.

 

There are periods from time to time, when the F3 and F2 fields have to be sort of "filled up", and by that I mean that the back of the grid usually consists of drivers who shouldn't really be there, but they have some money to burn.  And I think that's the problem. Licence points alone won't pay for the seats.



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Posted 02 November 2022 - 09:25

There are periods from time to time, when the F3 and F2 fields have to be sort of "filled up", and by that I mean that the back of the grid usually consists of drivers who shouldn't really be there, but they have some money to burn.  And I think that's the problem. Licence points alone won't pay for the seats.

It's an interesting thought.  If F3 and F2 were only open to drivers meeting certain qualification criteria, maybe the teams would have to drop their prices for a seat if there weren't enough driver candidates to go around?  

 

Not that this seems to work in F1!



#24 Myrvold

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Posted 02 November 2022 - 11:14

Currently age limit is 15 for F4

 

Is it not even more idiotic? 14 is the limit in some countries, but FIA have decided that if you do F4 at 14, you will not be allowed to score SL points for 2 seasons... :drunk:



#25 FLB

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Posted 03 November 2022 - 10:13

Mini to Hitech: https://twitter.com/...110358371237888



#26 Marklar

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Posted 04 November 2022 - 10:57

the FIA has btw denied the rumour about the age limit, which is odd, I am on that discord server where Dunne said this. He would probably know.

as for age limits, frankly they are fine. In the states they allow 13-14 year olds in F4 equivalent cars even

Edited by Marklar, 04 November 2022 - 10:59.


#27 William Hunt

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Posted 04 November 2022 - 12:59

Off course there is an age limit, back when Crawford started in Euroformula Open he had to miss the first race because he was just 15 and not 16. And it is 15 for F4, at 14 they are not allowed to race and if they do so FIA does not grant Super Licence points and the championship that let's a 14 year old drive is punished by FIA by receiving 3 years in a row no Super Licence points (that is the case for Danish & Mexican F4!).



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Posted 04 November 2022 - 13:16

I found this in the ISC appendix L:

Drivers competing in all National FIA Formula 4 Championships certified by the FIA must be at least 15 years old (the date of the birthday being binding). Any driver who competes in any FIA Formula 4 Championship certified by the FIA competition under the age of 15 years old will be ineligible to score Super Licence points in the current and following 2 years of competition.



#29 William Hunt

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Posted 04 November 2022 - 13:24

Grégoire Saucy remains at ART for sophomore F3 campaign



#30 William Hunt

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Posted 04 November 2022 - 13:44

Antonelli is headed FRECA.

There is rumour of a minimum age limit for FIA F3 of 17 Y/O going rounds according to Alex Dunne discord.

 

Aha I missed this post so FIA is considering raising age for FIA F3 to 17, that makes sense.

 

That would make:

 

F4: 15

F. Regional & Euroformula Open: 16

FIA F3:  17  (currently 16)

FIA F2: still 17 ?  (currently 17)

FIA F1: still 18?  (currently 18)

 

But if they raise FIA F3 to 17 that means F2 will automatically become 18 and F1 19 in reality since most drivers pass via F2 to F1 these days 



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Posted 04 November 2022 - 15:02

Prema: Paul Aron, Dino Beganovic

Trident: Gabriel Bortoleto

ART: Grégoire Saucy

MP:

Hitech: Gabriele Mini

Van Amersfoort:

Carlin:
Campos:

Jenzer:

Charouz:

 

Those drivers tested F3:

Prema: Zak O'Sullivan

Trident: Gabriel Bortoleto, Leonardo Fornaroli, Oliver Goethe

ART: Brand Benavides, Nikola Tsolov, Roberto Faria, Kaylen Frederick

MP: Mari Boya, Franco Colapinto, Jonny Edgar

Hitech: Sebastian Montoya, Reece Ushijma

Van Amersfoort: Noel Leon, Max Esteron, Lorenzo Fluxa, Rafael Villagomez

Carlin: Hunter Yeany, Hadrien David, Arias Denkmedjian, Joel Granfors

Campos: Pepe Marti, Hugh Barter, Francesco Pizzi, Christian Mansell

Jenzer: Taylor Barnard, Nikita Bredin, Alex Garcia

Charouz: Emmo Fittipaldi, Matias Zagazeta, Alessandro Famularo, Nicola Marinangeli



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Posted 04 November 2022 - 17:40

Off course there is an age limit, back when Crawford started in Euroformula Open he had to miss the first race because he was just 15 and not 16. And it is 15 for F4, at 14 they are not allowed to race and if they do so FIA does not grant Super Licence points and the championship that let's a 14 year old drive is punished by FIA by receiving 3 years in a row no Super Licence points (that is the case for Danish & Mexican F4!).

Danish F4 not certified by FIA as i think. On official FIA site's F4 page they not mention.

https://www.fia.com/...4-certified-fia



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Posted 04 November 2022 - 17:44

Fittipaldi vs Mansell? V 1993.



#34 William Hunt

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Posted 04 November 2022 - 19:21

Danish F4 not certified by FIA as i think. On official FIA site's F4 page they not mention.

https://www.fia.com/...4-certified-fia

 

That's exactly what I said, FIA doesn't recognise it because they allow 14 year olds in it



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Posted 16 November 2022 - 03:19

FIA F3 SILLY SEASON 2023 OVERVIEW

 

PREMA  (Ita)

1.   Paul  ARON  (Est)                                CONFIRMED   (Mercedes Jr.)

2.   Dino  BEGANOVIC  (Swe / Bos)         CONFIRMED   (Ferrari Jr.)

3.   Zak  O'SULLIVAN  (GB)                        EXPECTED     (Williams Jr.)

 

TRIDENT  (Ita)

4.   Gabriel  BORTOLETTO  (Bra)             CONFIRMED  (managed by Alonso)

5.   Oliver  GOETHE  (DK)                           EXPECTED

6.   Leonardo  FORNAROLI  (Ita)                EXPECTED

 

ART GP  (Fra)  

7.   Grégoire  SAUCY  (CH)                        CONFIRMED  

8.   Kaylen  FREDERICK  (USA)                  EXPECTED

9.   Nikola  TSOLOV  (Bul)                           EXPECTED  (Alpine Jr., managed by Alonso)

 

* Alonso wants to push Tsolov straight from F4 to F3 (skipping F. Regional) so he would be one step ahead of his old karting rivals Andrea Kimi Antonelli & Rafael Camara, he also avoids having to compete with his old rivals again (that seems to me as a more plausible motivation).

 

But there are since recently rumours that the FIA might decide to raise the age for FIA F3 from 16 to 17 years old (F. Regional is 16 years) so young drivers who do well in F4 in their rookie year would be forced to do a year in F. Regional. If they do this that means that Tsolov, who turns 16 this winter, will have to do F. Regional first. It's another prime example of the FIA protecting the capital of the feeder series teams. But let's wait if it's just a rumour or not.

 

* Brad BENAVIDES  (Esp) and GB3 driver & Sauber Jr. Roberto FARIA  (Bra) also tested for ART but are not in the running for a seat, unless off course Tsolov will have to wait for F3

 

 

MP MOTORSPORT  (Ned)

10.  Mari  BOYA  (Esp)                                 CONFIRMED

11.  Franco  COLAPINTO  (Arg)                    EXPECTED

12.  Jonny  EDGAR  (GB)                              EXPECTED     (Red Bull Jr. in 2022 but likely to be dropped for 2023)

 

 

HITECH  (GB)

14.  Gabriele  MINI  (Ita)                                 CONFIRMED   (managed by Nicholas Todt)

15.  Reece  USHIJIMA  (US / Jap)                   EXPECTED

16.  Sebastian  MONTOYA  (Col)                     EXPECTED     (rumoured that he might join the Red Bull Academy)

 

VAN AMERSFOORT  (Ned)

17.  Rafael  VILLAGOMEZ  (Mex)                    EXPECTED     (this is a certainty since the team manager of Van Amersfoort's F3 team used to manage him)

18.  Roberto  FARIA  (Bra)                               RUMOURED    (Faria tested for ART & Van Amersfoort, likely to end up here)

19.  Max  ESTERSON  (USA)                          RUMOURED    (tested for them but still looking at other options, like Montoya he is a Red Bull Athlete)

19.  Noel  LEON  (Mex)                                    RUMOURED    (tested for them, Red Bull Jr. in 2022 but likely to be dropped, likely he stays in F. Regional)

 

*  Kas HAVERKORT  (Ned) lacks the budget to step up to FIA F3 and will do another season of F. Regional with Van Amersfoort.

 

 CARLIN  (GB)

20.  Hunter  YEANY  (USA)                              EXPECTED      (Yeany has negotiated with Trident & Charouz as well but Carlin is the most likely destination)

21.  Oliver  GRAY  (GB)                                    EXPECTED     (Certain. Since Carlin ran Williams Jr. O'Sullivan last year, Gray will take that seat). (Williams Jr.)

22.  Joel  GRANFORS  (Swe)                          RUMOURED    (tested for them and seems the most likely candidate for the 3rd seat)

 

*  Carlin absolutely wanted the very talented Frenchman Hadrien DAVID  (Fra) in their car. They wanted him so badly that they offered a seat to him for a price cheaper as an F4 seat, they are said to have offered the seat for an amount between 75.000 euro & 100.000 euro which is 10% of what a F3 seat normally costs (between 750.000 and 1 million euro). 

DAVID is an Alpine Junior however the Alpine CEO Laurent Rossi has recently said that he doesn't want to spend any more money on F3 seats after McLaren stole their junior Oscar Piastri (Alpine's words, not mine) and they invested in him for nothing, and that their junior (David) has to find the money himself. David doesn't have the money neither does he have rich parents that can pay that amount, even if it's almost a free seat. Ironic is that Alpine spent much more money on their lawsuit for Piastri than the tiny amount Carlin is asking.
David has already said he is now looking at a carreer in sportscars because he really can't afford F3. He can't even afford F4 (that seat was funded by the French federation for him). Sad, very very sad. Alpine should be deeply ashamed.

Another Alpine Junior, Caio COLLET  (Bra) should have moved up to F2 next year, however Laurent Rossi also cut his budget and doesn't want to fund that either (because of Piastri). Collet has said he is also looking at Sportscars because he can't afford F2.... very sad how Alpine treats it's Juniors

 

* Another driver who tested for Carlin is Armenian-American Arias  DEUKMEDIAN  (USA) however Carlin would prefer Granfors (better driver) over him. Deukmedian is just a rich kid with no talent. He was nowhere in F4, why does he want to go straight to F3 then? He should stay in F4 and learn there. Spoiled rich kids getting seats over talents like David... sad.

 

 

CAMPOS  (Esp)

23.  Pepe  MARTI  (Esp)                         EXPECTED

24.  Christian  MANSELL  (Aus)              EXPECTED

25.  Hugh  BARTER  (Aus / Jap)             EXPECTED

 

*  Francesco  PIZZI  (Ita) also tested for Campos during the post season F3 test but is expected to go to the United States to USF Pro 2000 (used to be called Indy Pro 2000)

 

JENZER  (Ch)

26.  Taylor  BARNARD  (GB)                   EXPECTED

27.  Nikita  BEDRIN  (Ita / Rus)               EXPECTED

28.  William  ALATALO  (Fin)                   RUMOURED   (he is looking for the budget to stay in F3, Alatalo currently does military service in Finland)

28.  Alex  GARCIA  (Mex)                        RUMOURED   (tested for Jenzer and was dead slow but has money behind him, if Alatalo can't fund it)

28.  Ido  COHEN  (Isr)                             RUMOURED   (another candidate if Alatalo can't secure the drive. Cohen even has the budget for F2)

 

CHAROUZ  (Cze)  /  G4 RACING  (Ch)

29.  Alessandro  FAMULARO  (Ven)        RUMOURED   

30.  Nicola  MARINANGELI  (Ita)             RUMOURED

31.  Matias  ZAGAZETA  (Peru)               RUMOURED   (more likely to do one more year of F. Regional I think)

31.  Emmo  FITTIPALDI Jr.  (Bra)            RUMOURED

 

*  Very big chance G4 Racing is going to buy Charouz or at least the entry of Charouz in F3. 


Edited by William Hunt, 16 November 2022 - 03:26.


#36 Frood

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Posted 19 November 2022 - 10:20

O'Sullivan confirmed at Prema, which automatically makes him favourite for the championship I'd expect.

#37 JvsKVB77

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Posted 19 November 2022 - 10:27

O'Sullivan confirmed at Prema, which automatically makes him favourite for the championship I'd expect.

With almost rookies in others Prema and Trident seats and Mini going to not so strong Hitech he will be, yes.



#38 William Hunt

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Posted 19 November 2022 - 11:04

Yeah unfortunately it can make a huge difference for your carreer at which team you end up in F3. If Mini ended up at Prema he would for sure be the title favourite but at Hitech he for sure will have a hard time fighting for top honours. That's sad in a way because he is the most talented driver of all drivers currently in F. Regional / F3. You also don't want to end up at teams like Carlin, Jenzer or Campos in F3. Best team is Prema followed by Trident and ART.


Edited by William Hunt, 19 November 2022 - 11:05.


#39 FLB

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Posted 19 November 2022 - 15:35

O'Sullivan confirmed at Prema, which automatically makes him favourite for the championship I'd expect.

Beganovich IMHO.



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#40 William Hunt

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Posted 20 November 2022 - 02:52

Beganovich IMHO.

 

Don't forget Paul Aron. Both Aron & Beganovic are more talented as O'Sullivan but Zak has a year of F3 experience over his team mates, that will probably even things out so all three may even be in the title battle. 

 

Bortoleto & Fornaroli at Trident will be drivers to watch too. Trident has been very close to Prema the past couple of years, they're currently the 2nd best F3 team.

Mini might still be in the title fight despite beiing at a lesser F3 team because he is so good but realistically it will be tough for him to compete with Prema.


Edited by William Hunt, 20 November 2022 - 02:52.


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Posted 20 November 2022 - 09:06

Prema: Paul Aron, Dino Beganovic, Zak O'Sullivan

Trident: Gabriel Bortoleto

ART: Grégoire Saucy

MP: Mari Boya

Hitech: Gabriele Mini

Van Amersfoort:

Carlin:
Campos:

Jenzer:

Charouz:

 

Those drivers tested F3:

Trident: Gabriel Bortoleto, Leonardo Fornaroli, Oliver Goethe

ART: Brand Benavides, Nikola Tsolov, Roberto Faria, Kaylen Frederick

MP: Franco Colapinto, Jonny Edgar

Hitech: Sebastian Montoya, Reece Ushijma

Van Amersfoort: Noel Leon, Max Esteron, Lorenzo Fluxa, Rafael Villagomez

Carlin: Hunter Yeany, Hadrien David, Arias Denkmedjian, Joel Granfors

Campos: Pepe Marti, Hugh Barter, Francesco Pizzi, Christian Mansell

Jenzer: Taylor Barnard, Nikita Bredin, Alex Garcia

Charouz: Emmo Fittipaldi, Matias Zagazeta, Alessandro Famularo, Nicola Marinangeli



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Posted 20 November 2022 - 11:50

Don't forget Paul Aron. Both Aron & Beganovic are more talented as O'Sullivan but Zak has a year of F3 experience over his team mates, that will probably even things out so all three may even be in the title battle.


Idk about saying they're "more talented" just like that, Zak was a bit of a revelation this year. Sometimes drivers start to show something extra and start coming good at this level.. See Piastri

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Posted 22 November 2022 - 20:37

Agreed that Zak showed some very nice things at Carlin last year, and he did win the Autosport Young Driver award & GB3 (not the same level as F. Regional though) title. You're certainly right he was a revelation this year. It's a strong line-up for Prema, they usually pick one experienced driver and pair him with two talented rookies, it always worked out well for them.


Edited by William Hunt, 22 November 2022 - 20:38.


#44 William Hunt

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Posted Today, 15:50

Australian Christian Mansell has in the meantime been confirmes (as expected) by Campos. Promissing American Max Esterson will not move to F3 (yet), he will do a second season in GB3 at Fortec (2022 was Esterson's first season with slick & wing cars after having lots of succes in F. Ford, even winning the F. Ford Festival in '22 and the Walter Hayes Trophy in '21).