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[amerikalei]

Has anyone seen any additional information about the Detroit venue?

 

I saw F1 there in 1986.  The race viewing sucked on that course, I could see exactly one corner, but the access to the "paddock" in the garage was more IndyCar-esque. 

 

Early course diagram didn't seem all that great.  But given the industry support, and RP's connections in the city it seems likely that it should be better than the old F1 experience.

 

Trying to decide whether to aim for in-person at Detroit or Mid-Ohio (which I love and is obviously very fan friendly, but calendar dates might make difficult).

[red stick]

Road course versus street race? I'd go to Mid-Ohio 19 out of 20 times.

But high performance machinery on a street course generally seems trapped, to me. YMMV.

 

EDIT:  The Detroit track layout from the 2023 schedule on indycar .com:

 

Edited by red stick, 27 September 2022 - 20:56.

[jonpollak]

Has anyone seen any additional information about the Detroit venue?

I saw F1 there in 1986. The race viewing sucked on that course, I could see exactly one corner, but the access to the "paddock" in the garage was more IndyCar-esque.

Oooh me too …
You hit that nail on the head.

Lemme look fo see if I still have those photos.

I was on that Missing Persons tour with the Bozzio’s.
We had rooms in the Renaissance Center !!!

Stand by.
Jp

 

EDIT: FOUND ONE !

 

 

Edited by jonpollak, 28 September 2022 - 00:01.

[Ross Stonefeld]

I'd skip New Detroit as a spectator until I got a good sense of the first year.

[SKL]

Figured we'd better start a new thread, what with all the discussion of the schedule for next year, and other related topics...

 

Have at it!

[red stick]

IndyCar 2023 schedule

 

March 5 – Streets of St. Petersburg (NBC)

April 2 -- Texas Motor Speedway (NBC)

April 16 – Streets of Long Beach (NBC)

April 30 – Barber Motorsports Park (NBC)

May 13 -- Indianapolis Motor Speedway road course (NBC)

May 28 – Indianapolis 500 (NBC)

June 4 – Streets of Detroit GP (NBC)

June 18 – Road America (USA)

July 2 – Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course (USA)

July 16 – Streets of Toronto (Peacock)

July 22-23 – Iowa Speedway doubleheader (NBC)

Aug. 6 – Streets of Nashville (NBC)

Aug. 12 -- Indianapolis Motor Speedway road course 2 (USA)

Aug. 27 – World Wide Technology Raceway at Gateway (NBC)

Sept. 3 – Portland International Raceway (NBC)

Sept. 10 – WeatherTech Laguna Seca Raceway (NBC)

 

If date equity was your primary goal, mission accomplished.  The 2023 schedule is, with very few exceptions, a repeat of 2022.

[red stick]

Questions, AMSP.

1.  O'Ward and Rosenqvist are fast friends who work well together.  How does adding Rossi alter team chemistry?

2.  Will new surroundings, and Craig Hampson, permit a reset for Rossi?  Or will he find this is Pato's team?

3.  Three cars.  A walk in the park for a team with McLaren's resources?  Or a bridge too far, in the first year at least?

4.  Is Palou on the way in 2024?  If so, four cars?  Or is Rosenqvist still looking over his shoulder?

5.  How important was Taylor Kiel?

[PayasYouRace]

Calendar stability is always a good thing, but I’d like to see a bit of expansion. I generally enjoy every circuit on the calendar though, even Texas, so it should be a good season.

 

Such a long wait though.

[SenorSjon]

Road course versus street race? I'd go to Mid-Ohio 19 out of 20 times.

But high performance machinery on a street course generally seems trapped, to me. YMMV.

 

EDIT:  The Detroit track layout from the 2023 schedule on indycar .com:

 

 

That doesn't look very... inspiring.  A bit like an old SimCity layout used for racing.

 

Calendar stability is always a good thing, but I’d like to see a bit of expansion. I generally enjoy every circuit on the calendar though, even Texas, so it should be a good season.

 

Such a long wait though.

 

I don't get the long off season in Indycar? Then we kick off with St.Pete and wait a month for the next race. If the last races were two weeks apart, the season would end at the end of September. 

[Beri]

 

IndyCar 2023 schedule

 

March 5 – Streets of St. Petersburg (NBC)

April 2 -- Texas Motor Speedway (NBC)

April 16 – Streets of Long Beach (NBC)

April 30 – Barber Motorsports Park (NBC)

May 13 -- Indianapolis Motor Speedway road course (NBC)

May 28 – Indianapolis 500 (NBC)

June 4 – Streets of Detroit GP (NBC)

June 18 – Road America (USA)

July 2 – Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course (USA)

July 16 – Streets of Toronto (Peacock)

July 22-23 – Iowa Speedway doubleheader (NBC)

Aug. 6 – Streets of Nashville (NBC)

Aug. 12 -- Indianapolis Motor Speedway road course 2 (USA)

Aug. 27 – World Wide Technology Raceway at Gateway (NBC)

Sept. 3 – Portland International Raceway (NBC)

Sept. 10 – WeatherTech Laguna Seca Raceway (NBC)

 

If date equity was your primary goal, mission accomplished.  The 2023 schedule is, with very few exceptions, a repeat of 2022.

 

 

Slot in an extra race between the first two races. This is just a let down.

[GlenWatkins]

St Pete race is 2 weeks earlier this year.  Tickets not yet on sale.

[PayasYouRace]

I don't get the long off season in Indycar? Then we kick off with St.Pete and wait a month for the next race. If the last races were two weeks apart, the season would end at the end of September.

That gap would be perfect for a race in Mexico, or Australia.

[MattK9]

 

IndyCar 2023 schedule

 

March 5 – Streets of St. Petersburg (NBC)

April 2 -- Texas Motor Speedway (NBC)

April 16 – Streets of Long Beach (NBC)

April 30 – Barber Motorsports Park (NBC)

May 13 -- Indianapolis Motor Speedway road course (NBC)

May 28 – Indianapolis 500 (NBC)

June 4 – Streets of Detroit GP (NBC)

June 18 – Road America (USA)

July 2 – Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course (USA)

July 16 – Streets of Toronto (Peacock)

July 22-23 – Iowa Speedway doubleheader (NBC)

Aug. 6 – Streets of Nashville (NBC)

Aug. 12 -- Indianapolis Motor Speedway road course 2 (USA)

Aug. 27 – World Wide Technology Raceway at Gateway (NBC)

Sept. 3 – Portland International Raceway (NBC)

Sept. 10 – WeatherTech Laguna Seca Raceway (NBC)

 

If date equity was your primary goal, mission accomplished.  The 2023 schedule is, with very few exceptions, a repeat of 2022.

 

 

Repeat of 2022 but with a different Detroit race. The track layout doesnt look as good as Belle Isle but we shall see what it looks like in the flesh next year.

 

The calendar is very condensed in places, as was this years. 5 races in 5 weeks from July 16- Aug 12, or 8 races in 9 weeks to end the season.

 

No Watkins Glen, Sonoma or COTA. No race in Mexico. A second Indy GP is a bit, meh!

[red stick]

New venues on the horizon?  More rumors re Milwaukee, Mexico.  Richmond?  Denver?

 

https://racer.com/20...for-new-venues/

[red stick]

Mailbag!  Familiar face edition.*  More superlicense foo.**  Rosenqvist to the #6.  Andretti coulda used RHR.  Foyt, on top of all its other woes, missed out on the Leader's Circle.

 

https://racer.com/20...g-september-28/

 

 

 

* See page 1.

** Gratuitous Joe Bob Briggs call-out.

Edited by red stick, 28 September 2022 - 12:42.

[PayasYouRace]

New venues on the horizon? More rumors re Milwaukee, Mexico. Richmond? Denver?

https://racer.com/20...for-new-venues/

I’d have all of them.

[CSF]

New venues on the horizon?  More rumors re Milwaukee, Mexico.  Richmond?  Denver?

 

https://racer.com/20...for-new-venues/

 

All.

 

Is the unspecified track out west going to be that private track in LA where they are testing? 

[amerikalei]

Oooh me too …
You hit that nail on the head.

Lemme look fo see if I still have those photos.

I was on that Missing Persons tour with the Bozzio’s.
We had rooms in the Renaissance Center !!!

Stand by.
Jp

 

EDIT: FOUND ONE !

 

 

A girl in trouble is a temporary thing...

[amerikalei]

Road course versus street race? I'd go to Mid-Ohio 19 out of 20 times.

But high performance machinery on a street course generally seems trapped, to me. YMMV.

 

EDIT:  The Detroit track layout from the 2023 schedule on indycar .com:

 

Reminds me of the limitations of an Etch-a-Sketch.

[CSF]

Reminds me of the limitations of an Etch-a-Sketch.

 

"My first track"

[BRG]

Is there some explanation for why there is a five and a half month layoff between seasons?   Do they all go and work as ski instructors or something?  It's not like they have to build a brand new car for the new season, just fettle the current one.

[krapmeister]

Is there some explanation for why there is a five and a half month layoff between seasons?

Football

[red stick]

Don't get started there.
NFL football. It's all encompassing and a real attention suck, sportswise.

[jonpollak]

A girl in trouble is a temporary thing...

You’ve e lost me with that one Kalei…Romeo Void maybe ?
Jp

[juicy sushi]

Ok, so, in the meantime, which season are we going to re-live?

 

Or do we let this devolve into conflict and acrimony after we discuss pizza toppings of the world?  If the latter, we can let the battle commence with the ground rules for what correct pizza is:

 

[GlenWatkins]

We could have a watch party, like we did during covid. CART at Milwaukee perhaps?

Edited by GlenWatkins, 28 September 2022 - 14:05.

[jonpollak]

Thoughts out to paulb as he’s going to be impacted by Hurricane Ian.

Hang tough brother.
Jp

[GlenWatkins]

Hey Paul, keep your head down & stay safe

[amerikalei]

You’ve e lost me with that one Kalei…Romeo Void maybe ?
Jp

My bad.  You're right.  For some reason I thought that was Dale Bozzio's voice.  Although trying to figure this out gave me a reason to revisit her work on Joe's Garage, which I think preceded Missing Persons. 

[Jim Thurman]

All.

 

Is the unspecified track out west going to be that private track in LA where they are testing? 

There's a private track in LA where they're testing?

 

News to me. Thanks to urban sprawl, there's no spots for anything like that within an hour of Los Angeles.

[Jim Thurman]

Thinking about how vague that "out west" was in Pruett's piece..He sounds like an east coast writer using it that way.

 

Utah? I can't come up with much else that doesn't have facilities on a par with, or less than, NOLA.

 

Surely, he can't mean that Ozark disaster? (which isn't even very out west)

 

Deborah Iyall was the vocalist for Romeo Void.

 

A buddy of mine from high school became a drummer. His instructor, Terry Bozzio (small world, eh, jp?)

[juicy sushi]

Thermal?  https://www.thermal.cc/

 

I mean, I cannot see how it would be viable, but it's definitely out west.

[juicy sushi]

And Marshall likes my idea of Spec MX-5 team owner races, even if no one else did:  https://racer.com/20...g-september-28/

[Izzyeviel]

No more Belle Island? is the new race on the GP track?

[Jim Thurman]

Thermal?  https://www.thermal.cc/

 

I mean, I cannot see how it would be viable, but it's definitely out west.

Sure, there are plenty of rich guy, track day, country club type circuits, some with amenities, some luxurious, but I don't see them hosting Indycar, or any other professional series.

 

Unless they let the rich guys play with them, hopefully not at the same time 

[Ross Stonefeld]

There was a rumor winter testing/spring training/the series launch would be at Thermal. 

 

But if we're going to have weird stand-alone events with no crowds and rely on TV money or a sponsor or something, there's a bunch of ovals that would be more interesting.

[Jim Thurman]

There was a rumor winter testing/spring training/the series launch would be at Thermal. 

 

But if we're going to have weird stand-alone events with no crowds and rely on TV money or a sponsor or something, there's a bunch of ovals that would be more interesting.

I could see that, and Thermal would be great for testing and launch. The weather would likely be far better than Sebring.

But, I don't see a race there. Concur with you, except I'm not sure there are a bunch of ovals left to consider under the circumstances.

 

Willow Springs was good enough for Gurney to do his testing at  ...and I watched a few teams testing at Buttonwillow back in the mid-90s.

[red stick]

And Marshall likes my idea of Spec MX-5 team owner races, even if no one else did:  https://racer.com/20...g-september-28/

The only way you could have made that more Pruett-bait was suggesting naming the cars after professional wrestlers . . .

[red stick]

Or cats.

[juicy sushi]

The only way you could have made that more Pruett-bait was suggesting naming the cars after professional wrestlers . . .

I tried.  I didn't know Power was a fan of the MX-5 series, maybe we should suggest it to him to see if he can lobby Roger...

[red stick]

I tried.  I didn't know Power was a fan of the MX-5 series, maybe we should suggest it to him to see if he can lobby Roger...

Power can be surprisingly influential.  And with the added clout of another Astor Cup, who knows?

 

I think Penske would mop the floor with Ganassi and Brown.  

[Ross Stonefeld]

I could see that, and Thermal would be great for testing and launch. The weather would likely be far better than Sebring.

But, I don't see a race there. Concur with you, except I'm not sure there are a bunch of ovals left to consider under the circumstances.

 

Willow Springs was good enough for Gurney to do his testing at  ...and I watched a few teams testing at Buttonwillow back in the mid-90s.

 

If we're abandoning crowd income, any oval without cracks in the foundation is viable. We could go to uh...Kentucky or Kansas or whatever that sorta medium oval was that wasn't too IRL-y. 

[paulb]

Hey Paul, keep your head down & stay safe

 

Thoughts out to paulb as he’s going to be impacted by Hurricane Ian.

Hang tough brother.
Jp

Thanks, dudes.

 

Very thankfully, I’m on the east coast. Should not be too bad when it gets here. Wind and rain, wind and rain. Hunkering down, as they say.

 

West coast folks getting the hurt.

[Kaiser]

There was a rumor winter testing/spring training/the series launch would be at Thermal. 

 

But if we're going to have weird stand-alone events with no crowds and rely on TV money or a sponsor or something, there's a bunch of ovals that would be more interesting.

 

It could be Inde in Wilcox Az. The W series did some type of testing there earlier in the year. It's in BFE though.

[loki]

Sure, there are plenty of rich guy, track day, country club type circuits, some with amenities, some luxurious, but I don't see them hosting Indycar, or any other professional series.

 

Unless they let the rich guys play with them, hopefully not at the same time 

They let Jimmie and Kellet do it last season…

 

How about Big Willow?  Though Streets or Horse Thief Mile would be more interesting.     

[Kaiser]

They let Jimmie and Kellet do it last season…

 

How about Big Willow?  Though Streets or Horse Thief Mile would be more interesting.     

 

Might as well go to an oval. It would be fun to watch them go through the omega and over monroe ridge

[red stick]

Ok, so, in the meantime, which season are we going to re-live?

 

Or do we let this devolve into conflict and acrimony after we discuss pizza toppings of the world?  If the latter, we can let the battle commence with the ground rules for what correct pizza is:

 

Allow me to retort.  Surely we have the discipline to put off food debates until, say, December.  Absent some triggering event, like an off-season Bus Bros "Sweet As" segment.  

[red stick]

Thanks, dudes.

 

Very thankfully, I’m on the east coast. Should not be too bad when it gets here. Wind and rain, wind and rain. Hunkering down, as they say.

 

West coast folks getting the hurt.

Hang on to your butts.  Looks fierce.

[juicy sushi]

Power can be surprisingly influential.  And with the added clout of another Astor Cup, who knows?

 

I think Penske would mop the floor with Ganassi and Brown.  

Well, he does have the club racing results that Chip and Zak don't have.  Chip has definitely crashed faster cars in competition, though.

[FLB]

Hang on to your butts.  Looks fierce.

It looks horrible. Thinking about the people in the sport who are there (REVS Institute in Naples...).