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Is it that you don’t actually like Formula One?


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#1 pacificquay

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:44

I thought Singapore an interesting and engaging race, tricky conditions, some strong performances, incidents, McLaren getting a good result.

 

It was well worth watching and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

Yet on the race thread I saw one poster describing it as a “bore fest”, another say they “missed the middle 40 minutes” and another saying you’d be as well just looking at the YouTube highlights.

I can only conclude they don’t actually like Formula One.

 



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#2 Bleu

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:46

IMO Singapore has almost always been a race where second half is more interesting that the first half. And also have to say that sometimes certain people only think overtaking is interesting and not overtaking is boring. Like Alonso/Hamilton battle at Hungaroring was boring because it took 10 laps for Hamilton to overtake.



#3 Muppetmad

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:47

It was a tense and challenging race for the drivers. Anybody expecting lots of overtaking was always going to be disappointed, given the nature of the circuit and the fact the track was drying slowly with a single line emerging. I wouldn't call it a classic, but it was a race worth watching.



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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:52

I thought Singapore an interesting and engaging race, tricky conditions, some strong performances, incidents, McLaren getting a good result.

 

It was well worth watching and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

Yet on the race thread I saw one poster describing it as a “bore fest”, another say they “missed the middle 40 minutes” and another saying you’d be as well just looking at the YouTube highlights.

I can only conclude they don’t actually like Formula One.

Well, you look which drivers have the most fans and align that with how those drivers were doing today. Bingo.  ;)



#5 ForzaGTR

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:53

I thought Singapore an interesting and engaging race, tricky conditions, some strong performances, incidents, McLaren getting a good result.

It was well worth watching and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Yet on the race thread I saw one poster describing it as a “bore fest”, another say they “missed the middle 40 minutes” and another saying you’d be as well just looking at the YouTube highlights.
I can only conclude they don’t actually like Formula One.


Half the forum call most of the races boring. I often wonder why they bother watching.

#6 KeithD68

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:55

I thought Singapore an interesting and engaging race, tricky conditions, some strong performances, incidents, McLaren getting a good result.

 

It was well worth watching and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

Yet on the race thread I saw one poster describing it as a “bore fest”, another say they “missed the middle 40 minutes” and another saying you’d be as well just looking at the YouTube highlights.

I can only conclude they don’t actually like Formula One.

 

I adored the golden years of F1 with Hunt, Lauda, Prost, Senna, Mansell... and Ferrari v the garagistas Williams, McLaren etc, Lotus...

 

Proper tracks, proper cars, proper teams, proper racing, proper fans, and not a corporate yes monkey in sight

 

So yeah F1 has been getting more and more s***y as every year passes, and the races more and more boring


Edited by KeithD68, 02 October 2022 - 15:56.


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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:56

Jack and Marc on Radio 5 had an interesting impression of the Singapore. They were saying found it both eventful and dull -- absorbing strategy, challenging conditions, drivers hitting the wall -- but it was too long and somewhat lifeless.

I don't know tbh. Perhaps you're onto something and its our relationship with Formula One that's the root of the problem.

#8 Mat13

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:58

I missed the middle forty minutes because the sun came out, and I wanted to get out on the mountain bike. I’m allowed to like other things more than F1, without actively disliking F1. What a stupid thread.

#9 ARTGP

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:59

Well, you look which drivers have the most fans and align that with how those drivers were doing today. Bingo.  ;)


I agree fully. It’s all rather elementary. In both a literal and metaphorical sense.

#10 Dolph

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:59

I was pretty bored with it in the middle section and even opened another youtube video to watch and muted the F1 feed for a good 10 minutes. Absolutely nothing was happening.



#11 Massa

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:02

It was a great race after the last SC. But before that it was boring at the front.

The first 4-5 drivers were just trying to protect the tyres and were not pushing.

Meanwhile after the last SC, the fight between Perez and Charles was brillant, those two were pushing and were at the limit, and that what I want to see

I don’t care about overtake, I just want to see drivers at the limit each laps
Lap after lap you didn’t knew if Charles would keep it on track, or if Perez would do a mistake or not, but the first half of the race it was clear they drove to go as long as possible on those inters.


That’s why I miss refuelling. Because it was a sprint formula one ( the 90 era especially, because during 2000 era Schumacher was crawling around 90% of his stint and then putting 3 laps at full speed before his pitstop), not an endurance one like nowadays.

Edited by Massa, 02 October 2022 - 16:02.


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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:04

I thought Singapore an interesting and engaging race, tricky conditions, some strong performances, incidents, McLaren getting a good result.

It was well worth watching and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Yet on the race thread I saw one poster describing it as a “bore fest”, another say they “missed the middle 40 minutes” and another saying you’d be as well just looking at the YouTube highlights.
I can only conclude they don’t actually like Formula One.


They don't. But they get a kick out of commenting it 😁

#13 SenorSjon

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:05

I just don't like the track. I skip it at F1 games because it has endless laps with all those 90 degrees misery and chicanes.

Every part of the track looks the same. They should try running it in daylight so we can see the city.

Edited by SenorSjon, 02 October 2022 - 16:06.


#14 pacificquay

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:08

It was a great race after the last SC. But before that it was boring at the front.

The first 4-5 drivers were just trying to protect the tyres and were not pushing.

Meanwhile after the last SC, the fight between Perez and Charles was brillant, those two were pushing and were at the limit, and that what I want to see

I don’t care about overtake, I just want to see drivers at the limit each laps
Lap after lap you didn’t knew if Charles would keep it on track, or if Perez would do a mistake or not, but the first half of the race it was clear they drove to go as long as possible on those inters.


That’s why I miss refuelling. Because it was a sprint formula one ( the 90 era especially, because during 2000 era Schumacher was crawling around 90% of his stint and then putting 3 laps at full speed before his pitstop), not an endurance one like nowadays.

The refuelling era was the worst period of F1, but even then I avidly watched it and didn’t think it boring.

 

The anticipation of the start of every Grand Prix should still make you feel sick with nervous tension, as it always has me.



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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:11

Jack and Marc on Radio 5 had an interesting impression of the Singapore. They were saying found it both eventful and dull -- absorbing strategy, challenging conditions, drivers hitting the wall -- but it was too long and somewhat lifeless.

I don't know tbh. Perhaps you're onto something and its our relationship with Formula One that's the root of the problem.

That's a pretty good description (except for the strategy bit; there wasn't much of that).

It had a great battle for the lead too for what felt like 10 or 15 laps.

Edited by ANF, 02 October 2022 - 16:12.


#16 JimmyClark

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:16

I enjoyed it today. It was a slow burner, but it was to be expected given the need to preserve tyres.

I guess new fans expecting instant action would be disappointed, but there's a lot to be said for letting the story of the race unfold. Also it was one of those races where anything could happen at any time.

#17 F1 Mike

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:17

Sometimes I don't enjoy every moment like I used to but often watch more out of habit than anything. I actually think it depends how long you've been following the sport and it seems to be a common theme that those following for 20+ years don't enjoy it as much as they used to, possibly because it changes and evolves so much when compared with other ball or racket sports which remain generally the same??

I enjoy it and wouldn't usually refer to it as boring... but I did nap through the first half of the race today as an example.

#18 Dhillon

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:19

The race is a 'Bore Fest' when your favourite driver doesn't win.

#19 AncientLurker

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:20

I’ll admit it. I don’t really like F1 anymore. After 30+ years I think it is more habit than anything that keeps me watching. Hoping for something magic to happen.

Part of the reason I have little interest in the racing though is the ‘packaging’. I spend half my time swearing at David Croft’s inane comments and fast forwarding him and his juvenile boys’ club of morons. Yes, fast forwarding, I just tape the races now, can’t be bothered to watch live. Also with packaging and presentation, there are so many stats, attack in X laps, tire wear, and other garbage, but they can’t manage to get a camera on the action. Ever. There is also a very sour taste left from how last year ended, and I almost didn’t watch this season. I think if I didn’t have my tv set to automatically record races I would likely not care if I missed most races. Still love racing, just can’t stomach the saccharin soaked show F1 is being wrapped in.

Edited by AncientLurker, 02 October 2022 - 16:27.


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#20 Gravelngrass

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:21

I adored the golden years of F1 with Hunt, Lauda, Prost, Senna, Mansell... and Ferrari v the garagistas Williams, McLaren etc, Lotus...

Proper tracks, proper cars, proper teams, proper racing, proper fans, and not a corporate yes monkey in sight

So yeah F1 has been getting more and more s***y as every year passes, and the races more and more boring


Yeah. I mean, if you have been watching F1 for longer, your expectations are high, especially if you watched what are considered better eras than the current one and also if you have watched other racing series where they got the racing part right. So, at least in my case, I keep hoping that F1 provides again the same kinds of emotions it once did, and keep tuning in. Having said that, I do think there’s a rose tinted glasses factor involved, as well as the tendency to group all the good things you have seen into a shorter period of time than it really was.

However, it certainly hasn’t helped that F1 has been increasingly turning into an activity where real racing has taken a backseat to many other considerations, which personally I don’t find appealing and/or dislike outright. In other words, many of us present all the symptoms of an addiction that we can’t shake…

#21 Arundo

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:21

The race is a 'Bore Fest' when your favourite driver doesn't win.


Disagree, Max ****ed up bad today but I still like the fights going on.

#22 TomNokoe

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:22

I struggled to enjoy it because there was no anticipation.

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:24

The refuelling era was the worst period of F1, …

This is so wrong.

There were so many great races during the refueling era. Cars flat out on the ragged edge, trying to build gaps. Schumacher 5-stop at Magny cours was a classic (and I was not a schumi fan). Yes, there were boring races too, but it was not the most boring era. I am tired of fuel saving and driving at 8 or 9/10ths.

#24 pacificquay

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:26

The odd thing about the “not as good as it was 30 years ago” is that the racing now is much better than it was then.

 

In the 90s people were complaining about no overtaking, waiting for the pit stops etc.



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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:29

Was a very good race - though LH was not great .... at all.... which probably ruined this race for more than a few people.

 

F1 used to give the impression of being just ahead of its time .... not quite futuristic - but certainly at the cutting edge..... Its still there but not in an exciting way .... its now an exemplar of the fading neoliberal era ... owned by probably the best businessman in the world at the moment, but run by apparatchiks, drones for the most part in the most politically correct, by the numbers way possible.... its also living off past dynamism (which gave a sense of excitement, once) which no longer really exists. 

 

The racing is still good - but not great.... everything is still mostly good - but its not great anymore.... its just a bit better than OK now. 

 

If F1 was launched today, no one would care about it.... but it has the reflected glory from the past - which pulls in even young fans who only heard about how great... say.... Senna was .... and have only seen highlights clips.     

 

But its still worth watching .... for now. 



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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:30

I thought Singapore an interesting and engaging race, tricky conditions, some strong performances, incidents, McLaren getting a good result.

 

It was well worth watching and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

Yet on the race thread I saw one poster describing it as a “bore fest”, another say they “missed the middle 40 minutes” and another saying you’d be as well just looking at the YouTube highlights.

I can only conclude they don’t actually like Formula One.

Such a snobby attitude. I love F1, like to the point of obsession, but fell to sleep and missed the last 20 minutes. It was bloody boring imo even for the safety cars and incidents. 

 

I usually love even the most boring races. Today was just not doing it for me.


Edited by alframsey, 02 October 2022 - 16:31.


#27 jjcale

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:30

The odd thing about the “not as good as it was 30 years ago” is that the racing now is much better than it was then.

 

In the 90s people were complaining about no overtaking, waiting for the pit stops etc.

 

Engines would blow up ... drivers would make big errors ... the cars we harder to drive. 

 

Just watching the cars being driven was more fun. 


Edited by jjcale, 02 October 2022 - 16:31.


#28 smitten

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:32

It was not a great race.  Some people chucking it at the scenery doesn't really make up for what, essentially, was a procession.  And I'm totally fine with that; I've sat through much more boring races in the past.

 

The problem, if you want one, is that F1 is marketed nowadays as drama, excitement, crashes, explosions, and the cult of personality.  An audience who is drawn solely to thank kind of marketing will likely be disappointed in a race like today.



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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:32

I struggled to enjoy it because there was no anticipation.

 

This - races are predictable after the last round of stops ... often even before that.



#30 mikeC

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:32

My interest in F1 has dwindled over the last several years, and I finally gave up on F1 about three years ago. Too many boring circuits without individual character, samey cars without distinctive features, too much interference and poor judgement calls from race officials... I still hover around to see what's going on, but I don't see anything to attract me back.  



#31 Gravelngrass

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:34

The refuelling era was the worst period of F1….


Totally.

#32 Myrvold

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:34

I can only conclude they don’t actually like Formula One.

 

The first Safety Car ruined a bit of the fun for me, then the weird decisions and lack of decisions later on just poured on.

Also, while I appreciate them not "starting" and postponing 10 min and 10 min, F1 & FIA really needs to get the MotoGP-series quick-start procedure in place for such situations. There was no need for the 1 hour wait.



#33 pacificquay

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:35

Such a snobby attitude. I love F1, like to the point of obsession, but fell to sleep and missed the last 20 minutes. It was bloody boring imo even for the safety cars and incidents. 

 

I usually love even the most boring races. Today was just not doing it for me.

Why is having a view different to yours “snobby”?
 

Resorting to personal abuse somewhat undermines your argument.



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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:38

Why is having a view different to yours “snobby”?
 

Resorting to personal abuse somewhat undermines your argument.

It is snobby though, how is it not? Saying "I liked that race, if you didn't then you aren't an F1 fan" is clearly a snob attitude. Who are you to say I don't like F1 because I thought it was a crap race? It gives the impression you think you're a 'proper' F1 fan because you like even though most boring races.

 

I wasn't trying to personally abuse you btw and apologies if it seems that way, just saying it as I see it.



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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:38

I adored the golden years of F1 with Hunt, Lauda, Prost, Senna, Mansell... and Ferrari v the garagistas Williams, McLaren etc, Lotus...

Proper tracks, proper cars, proper teams, proper racing, proper fans, and not a corporate yes monkey in sight

So yeah F1 has been getting more and more s***y as every year passes, and the races more and more boring


I'll be the first one to call bullsh!t on this one.

Races could be boring like hell back then

#36 pacificquay

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:40

It is snobby though, how is it not? Saying "I liked that race, if you didn't then you aren't an F1 fan" is clearly a snob attitude. Who are you to say I don't like F1 because I thought it was a crap race? It gives the impression you think you're a 'proper' F1 fan because you like even though most boring races.

 

I wasn't trying to personally abuse you btw and apologies if it seems that way, just saying it as I see it.

You are putting in quotation marks something I didn’t actually say, but whatever



#37 jacdaniel

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:40

I agree with the general sentiment that people always seem to hate races that were enjoyable.

Today was quite dull though. Too long with no DRS and too difficult to pass without DRS.

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:41

You are putting in quotation marks something I didn’t actually say, but whatever

Okay - "I can only conclude they don’t actually like Formula One."



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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:42

I thought Singapore an interesting and engaging race, tricky conditions, some strong performances, incidents, McLaren getting a good result.

 

It was well worth watching and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

Yet on the race thread I saw one poster describing it as a “bore fest”, another say they “missed the middle 40 minutes” and another saying you’d be as well just looking at the YouTube highlights.

I can only conclude they don’t actually like Formula One.

 

I thought it was terrible because overtaking was not possible.  Everyone who got off line to attempt an overtake was punished with a crash or an off. 

Who knows what the outcome would have been had they actually been able to race each other?   This wasn’t racing, this was a parade. 


Edited by Squeed, 02 October 2022 - 16:45.


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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:43

I have followed F1 for years and it’s still my no1 sport however at times - including today - it does feel like a case of smoke and mirrors or the emporers new clothes.

 

verstappen getting uncontested overtakes further down the field as yet again the majority of the field spend the first 2 thirds running their own race. Soon as the race starts proper - no one can overtake.

 

so for me - yes a bit of a bore fest. As nothing much happened in terms of actual racing. However it’s what we have been conditioned to expect - so a “fantastic” race from Perez - who capitalised on Le `cleric bad start- and in reality that was it.

 

a “great” race for McLaren - which in reality was all down to DNA’s from other teams and a big gain for ric from the safety car.



#41 pacificquay

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:43

I thought it was terrible because overtaking was not possible.  Everyone who got off line to attempt an overtake was punished with a crash or an off. 

Who knows what the outcome would have been had they actually been able to race each other? 

You must have missed the many successful overtaking manoeuvres I saw.



#42 PlatenGlass

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:47

Today was a decent enough race. No way I'd put it in the borefest category.

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:49

You must have missed the many successful overtaking manoeuvres I saw.

 

Sure, when the AT’s pulled over to let Max past.   The fastest car in the field with a 2s+/lap pace advantage getting around back markers as they roll over for him is not something that excites me. 



#44 Gravelngrass

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:49

F1 used to give the impression of being just ahead of its time .... not quite futuristic - but certainly at the cutting edge..... Its still there but not in an exciting way .... its now an exemplar of the fading neoliberal era ... owned by probably the best businessman in the world at the moment, but run by apparatchiks, drones for the most part in the most politically correct, by the numbers way possible.... its also living off past dynamism (which gave a sense of excitement, once) which no longer really exists.


Aside from the “best businessman in the world”part, I agree that they have tried to turn something that was basically based on excess into the opposite. I mean, how in hell did they manage to make everything about conserving? It’s, almost by definition, the complete opposite of racing. And that’s why I suspect that a truly racing series these days would have to be something anachronistic. There’s no way anymore that you can find a way to compromise market relevance to racing spectacle. They have tried many things, including hero/antihero development, but what good is it if they can’t be really admired for the talent they do have but can’t really truly show?

#45 ARTGP

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:49

Engines would blow up ... drivers would make big errors ... the cars we harder to drive.

Just watching the cars being driven was more fun.

Two Alpines grenaded, one of them very old school style, and several driver made massive errors today.

Edited by ARTGP, 02 October 2022 - 16:50.


#46 masa90

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 16:57

I still like it and watch it. But to me the sport has lost its magic. Hard to excatly pinpoint it when excatly. But just continuos domination (apart from last year) has certainly played its part.

 

Everything feels so sanitaised, "standardised" and overexposed. There is just too much of it with not quite good enough content in my opinion.

 

Also seems like the change of fan base and even further money first approach is bit :/

 

 

But this sounds silly, because I still watch every single race.



#47 mclarensmps

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 17:02

I thought Singapore an interesting and engaging race, tricky conditions, some strong performances, incidents, McLaren getting a good result.

 

It was well worth watching and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

Yet on the race thread I saw one poster describing it as a “bore fest”, another say they “missed the middle 40 minutes” and another saying you’d be as well just looking at the YouTube highlights.

I can only conclude they don’t actually like Formula One.

I'm with you. I really enjoyed the race. It wasn't a race about on-track action, but about suspense, who blinks first, strategy, and just watching driver skill. 

The McLaren result definitely made it even more positive for me. 



#48 WonderWoman61

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 17:02

I like F1 but it seems to be becoming more of a shambles, not to mention repetitive with all the races held these days, with every passing year.

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 17:07

What I do not understand is people coming on to F1 message boards to type "this was boring and I skipped out on half the race" or whatever.  I get if you don't like it, but the original post, I believe, was to wonder why people keep commenting about how they don't like it.  I don't like most of the baseball games but I don't watch much and I certainly don't go on baseball message boards and talk about how boring some random game was.

 

Personally I like F1 as much for what individual cars/drivers do as much as the passing.  Lots of individual storylines to follow if you choose, and many are interesting.  I can see how it could be viewed as boring if you only care about passing and who wins, but personally that's not what does it for me.  



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Posted 02 October 2022 - 17:08

IMO Singapore has almost always been a race where second half is more interesting that the first half. And also have to say that sometimes certain people only think overtaking is interesting and not overtaking is boring. Like Alonso/Hamilton battle at Hungaroring was boring because it took 10 laps for Hamilton to overtake.

 

 

My problem today was that anyone who looked to make positive progress in their race today was punished. Even though Max made a few moves today look what happened to him eventually when he tried too many times.

 

Wet races can be overrated, especially when conditions mean it doesnt dry offline. At that point it becomes scaletrix. Far too many people seem to think that if it rains it automatically qualifies as a good race.