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#151 loki

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Posted 03 October 2022 - 19:13

OP hasn’t even started yet, so it’s nothing to do with him.

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#152 smitten

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Posted 03 October 2022 - 19:48

The 2007 and 2008 seasons were both “edge of your seat” seasons. It wasn’t until RB’s dominance with Vettel that the sport started suffering from extended bore-fest seasons.


I will admit to not being riveted during the Schumacher/Ferrari years. As seasons are getting longer, I think it may be becoming more pronounced, but lets not pretend it's a very recent problem.

#153 azza200

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Posted 03 October 2022 - 20:19

In what over a decade? We've gone from 'Yes!! its going to rain!!' to 'Oh ffs... its raining. #pray4forthedrivers, we cant race until the track is dry i hate water'

 

It won't be long until we're told 'we can't start the race because the drivers have no experience of driving in the wet' & people on here will be like 'I don't care the race was cancelled because of a few drops of rain, we want to see the cars race at full blast & none of this looking after tyres nonsense. Also will somebody think of the rich people who might crash & hurt themselves. Also the championship shouldn't be decided because someone had a bad race in the wet'  

 

So true there were drivers who were masters in wet conditions and could show their driver skill and know when to change over to dry tyres to get an advantage or be brave and change early. I mean who in the current field is a rainmaster??? none are in the league of Senna or Schumacher 

 

The current crop of drivers all have zero confidence in wet weather as they race very little in really wet conditions you will always hear one say over their radio "oh man its too wet i can't see a thing so much water on the track waaaaaaaaaaah" rather then just getting on with it and getting used and knowledge about wet races 



#154 maximilian

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Posted 03 October 2022 - 20:56

There is actually NOTHING likeable about F1.



#155 HerbieMcQueen

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Posted 03 October 2022 - 21:39

There is actually NOTHING likeable about F1.

It died the day Takuma Sato left for good.



#156 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 03 October 2022 - 21:53

There is actually NOTHING likeable about F1.

then why watch it?



#157 jonpollak

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Posted 03 October 2022 - 22:12

Maybe, but objectively it's better now than it was then

no, it isn't but whatever..

Now, for those that didn't get the race...

Watch this please.

 

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#158 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 03 October 2022 - 23:31

The delayed start ruined the race for me...

#159 Squeed

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 14:46

then why watch it?

 

He has a dark compulsion/fetish.  Don’t judge.  



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#160 F1matt

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 15:21

Maybe people watch the race in hope of a good race?

As a sport F1 is dead, Liberty have taken the sport down the WWE route backed up by host broadcasters telling us this is the greatest overtake ever or that someone is the goat. Back that up with some Netflix theatrics and a whole new gullible audience is born treating their driver like a god and spewing bile and hatred at anyone who dares to challenge their opinion or support another driver. 



#161 maximilian

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 15:59

then why watch it?

 

I don't.  I turn on the start if I remember that it's on, and I am actually home.  Then, once it turns into the usual predictable borefest, I go do something else    ;)   In the rare event something interesting happens, I might unmute for a moment, until it turns back to the borefest.  :wave:



#162 aportinga

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 16:03

I don't.  I turn on the start if I remember that it's on, and I am actually home.  Then, once it turns into the usual predictable borefest, I go do something else    ;)   In the rare event something interesting happens, I might unmute for a moment, until it turns back to the borefest.  :wave:

 

But you are on an F1 message board. Isn't that the next step of fandom?

 

I think you may just be upset but still holding out hope for change. 



#163 ARTGP

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 16:25

But you are on an F1 message board. Isn't that the next step of fandom?

 

I think you may just be upset but still holding out hope for change. 

 

We all know it's heading straight to a Nascar formula....


Edited by ARTGP, 04 October 2022 - 16:26.


#164 HerbieMcQueen

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 16:36

But you are on an F1 message board. Isn't that the next step of fandom?

 

I think you may just be upset but still holding out hope for change. 

Unless my eyesight deceives me, the banner at the top says Autosport Racing Comments.



#165 azza200

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 16:59

We all know it's heading straight to a Nascar formula....

 

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Edited by azza200, 04 October 2022 - 16:59.


#166 YamahaV10

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 18:51

I don't.  I turn on the start if I remember that it's on, and I am actually home.  Then, once it turns into the usual predictable borefest, I go do something else    ;)   In the rare event something interesting happens, I might unmute for a moment, until it turns back to the borefest.  :wave:

 

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#167 HerbieMcQueen

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 19:26

 

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It's almost like the Autosport Forum is for all types of motor racing.



#168 Squeed

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 19:35

Maxi also has a long standing reputation for sarcasm and absurd humor.



#169 aportinga

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 19:47

We all know it's heading straight to a Nascar formula....

 

I do not deny that F1 is marketing F1 like Nascar but it's not to the extent that it should turn longtime fans away (IMO). Unless of course you believe that the series is bending rules for drivers/teams and so on. But this happened for Prost, Senna, Schumacher and lets not forget all the crap Ferrari has got away with over the decades.

 

Sure you have Driver to Survive - with the sole purpose of creating clear story lines using drivers and teams - maybe exaggerating bits here and there. But the job of Netflix is to get users to sign up and make money.

 

Not sure what else there may be for some folks to be so anti-F1 now.



#170 H0R

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 20:14

Every couple of years I get bored with F1 and ignore it for a while. It happened from 1977 to late 1979, from 1987 to 1995 and from 2009 to 2013 or 2014. While I got my racing fix from Indycar in the more recent years I quit all kinds of motorracing from 1. November 1999 to 2002, out of pure disgust and honestly heart break. 

 

Right now I am completely bored with F1 again and to my own surprise with Indycar just as much. I had the Singapore race running on my TV but actually didn't pay much attention. What I did see, however, wasn't worse than many races I've seen in the last decades. Not every race in history was a Dijon 1979, a Monza 1973 (? - the Gethin win) or a Nürburgring 1968.

 

Who romanticizes the history of F1 is fooling himself. It may have been more dramatic, because of more technical defects but the races themselves weren't better per se.



#171 PayasYouRace

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 20:23

I find I enjoy F1 more if all I do is what the on track action and avoid much of the extra stuff and the politics. On track the product is the best it's been since I started watching. Races can actually develop between cars of similar pace at most tracks. We have a pretty good variety of different circuit types and this year he cars are gorgeous.

 

I won't pretend it's perfect, and a lot of the off-track problems leave a sour taste in the mouth, which is why I avoid it. At the end of the day F1 doesn't owe me anything, and if I'm not enjoying I'll stop watching. I've done that with other series. It's not a conscious decision like some here like to announce that they'll stop watching from now on (but are still watching and commenting). It's just how you suddenly don't mind missing a race and not bothering to catch up with what happened, let along watch a replay.

 

I like F1 enough to still make an effort to watch.



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Posted 04 October 2022 - 20:28

Maybe people watch the race in hope of a good race?

As a sport F1 is dead, Liberty have taken the sport down the WWE route backed up by host broadcasters telling us this is the greatest overtake ever or that someone is the goat. Back that up with some Netflix theatrics and a whole new gullible audience is born treating their driver like a god and spewing bile and hatred at anyone who dares to challenge their opinion or support another driver. 

 

This has been going on for as long as I can remember.



#173 aportinga

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 20:43

I find I enjoy F1 more if all I do is what the on track action and avoid much of the extra stuff and the politics. 

 

I wonder if this is different for Americans.

 

Years ago I recall the only way to get an off race fix was find a fancy bookstore that had the F1 or AutoSport magazines. Then Racer came out but it was still not enough for me. Now it's out there 24/7 and I enjoy it. I can call BS from racing and have no reason to get frustrated at the sport or Liberty. As I said in AD21, the last few seasons have been equivalent to my kids soccer - bad refs and good refs. Sometimes the calls go your way - sometimes they don't but over the long haul it's pretty close.

 

There is also the element of change which always leaves the old guard behind. For example we are getting more viewers as a result of Netflix, but for some that show and how it may or may not impact F1 is a change that some do not welcome.

 

It happens. Things change, people like it or hate it.


Edited by aportinga, 04 October 2022 - 20:47.


#174 ARTGP

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 20:53

I do not deny that F1 is marketing F1 like Nascar but it's not to the extent that it should turn longtime fans away (IMO). Unless of course you believe that the series is bending rules for drivers/teams and so on. But this happened for Prost, Senna, Schumacher and lets not forget all the crap Ferrari has got away with over the decades.

 

Sure you have Driver to Survive - with the sole purpose of creating clear story lines using drivers and teams - maybe exaggerating bits here and there. But the job of Netflix is to get users to sign up and make money.

 

Not sure what else there may be for some folks to be so anti-F1 now.

 

If we move to a "playoffs" style championship, I will be gone. 



#175 azza200

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 22:21

If we move to a "playoffs" style championship, I will be gone. 

 

It will happen eventually the way its going  :rolleyes:  :drunk: the sprint races have upped the races per year and they are not stopping soon there will be pit stop championships & fake caution flags for a leaf on the track 



#176 Izzyeviel

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 23:19

...those already happen...



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Posted 04 October 2022 - 23:40

I wonder if this is different for Americans.

 

Years ago I recall the only way to get an off race fix was find a fancy bookstore that had the F1 or AutoSport magazines. Then Racer came out but it was still not enough for me. Now it's out there 24/7 and I enjoy it. I can call BS from racing and have no reason to get frustrated at the sport or Liberty. As I said in AD21, the last few seasons have been equivalent to my kids soccer - bad refs and good refs. Sometimes the calls go your way - sometimes they don't but over the long haul it's pretty close.

 

There is also the element of change which always leaves the old guard behind. For example we are getting more viewers as a result of Netflix, but for some that show and how it may or may not impact F1 is a change that some do not welcome.

 

It happens. Things change, people like it or hate it.

 

To me, the DTS/twitter crowd is in for the drama more than the racing, but that doesn't affect the racing product. 

 

The biggest impact one F1 was their strategic decision to court manufacturers rather than independents, which forced us into the hybrid PUs requiring much bigger cars and infinitely more money, which left us with a series wherein the cars no longer growl on turn entry and scream down the straights, and can no longer duel through high and medium speed turns due to the circuits being too small for the spec.  The obvious fix needed is to modernize the circuits, but instead we're adding more walled off alley races.  That's the stuff that makes me cranky. 


Edited by Squeed, 05 October 2022 - 00:58.


#178 markpenske

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Posted 04 October 2022 - 23:43

There is actually NOTHING likeable about F1.

maybe you forgot about the grid girls?........oops, nevermind


Edited by markpenske, 04 October 2022 - 23:44.


#179 YamahaV10

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Posted 05 October 2022 - 04:57

It will happen eventually the way its going :rolleyes: :drunk: the sprint races have upped the races per year and they are not stopping soon there will be pit stop championships & fake caution flags for a leaf on the track

No it won't. NASCAR is more likely to revert back to conventional points.

The thing that could split F1 up is the green politics. What's next? Vegetable oil in the engine? Bamboo infused carbon fiber? Ah yes.. Let's impress Greta. Except Greta will only be impressed when motor racing is shut down completely

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Posted 05 October 2022 - 05:12

A sign for me that F1 is no longer the be all and end all of my life these days is that I don’t actually know when the next race is and I don’t care. That said, when I see a thread on here that anticipates it I’ll take notice, but it’s another PITA to find out what time the thing starts these days because the times have been jumbled to cater for US viewing times. It didn’t used to be like that. 



#181 kumo7

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Posted 05 October 2022 - 05:20

F1 is a strange sport, honestly that is my impression, especially after Schumi era.

 

In F1: 

 

1. no one want to loose, so everyone agree to rule sport for the model that celebrates the winner takes all;

2. as a consequence, everyone except one loses, but all loves that F1 winner takes all;

3. which means all races are procession;

4. therefore the cars needs artificial overtaking system;

 

Plus, in F1 the rules are always unclear because:

 

1. everyone wants to work on "the Loophole", to become the genius;

2.so that no one fails to participate in races;

3. because no one wants to be told about wrong doing,

4 everything blows up to a massive conspiracy and to "x-gate" before publication of critical words.

 

:yawnface:


Edited by kumo7, 05 October 2022 - 05:21.


#182 Dhillon

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Posted 05 October 2022 - 06:34

My gripe with current formula is the token system and budget caps. In 1998 McLaren dominated initial races. Ferrari caught up and it turned a decent season.

Now such a dominance will be locked for years.

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Posted 05 October 2022 - 09:53

If we move to a "playoffs" style championship, I will be gone. 

I won't like it, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter much. They introduced it for British Superbikes, and do you know what the effect on the races was? Absolutely nothing. Each and every race continued to be brilliant. Who cares about championships? They're just lists of points on a document, and they fade into nothingness once you're track-side.



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Posted 05 October 2022 - 13:24

I thought Singapore an interesting and engaging race, tricky conditions, some strong performances, incidents, McLaren getting a good result.

 

It was well worth watching and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

Yet on the race thread I saw one poster describing it as a “bore fest”, another say they “missed the middle 40 minutes” and another saying you’d be as well just looking at the YouTube highlights.

I can only conclude they don’t actually like Formula One.

 

Of all the sports I follow F1 fans are just different, and I don't know if further this is more a British thing since I speak English and most fellow F1 conversationalists are Brits or Yanks. But, the level of whining and complaining and never being happy and always with the over-the-top hyperbole is special to F1, I find.  I think they love F1, it's just maybe the nature of F1 attracts a certain type... 


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Posted 05 October 2022 - 16:56

https://youtu.be/IvGhMTiAf8o

 

Just look at this **** racing. Why can't we go back to the good old days?


Edited by arnulfo182, 05 October 2022 - 16:57.


#186 Sash1

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Posted 10 October 2022 - 09:27

Bit done with all the FIA-ups in races, costcap politics, teamboss politics, stewarding irregularities and Liberty grabbing my money for their **** shows. Going to try not to react to anything F1 nor watch it for some time. For the first time since '84 or something. 



#187 Ali623

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Posted 10 October 2022 - 09:45

My some of my main issues with the current state of F1:

 

- The cars don't look as exciting on track, mainly due to the weight. I miss how skittish the cars of previous generations looked, whereas even record-breaking qualifying laps can end up looking dull these days.

 

- The terrible handling if wet weather now means I actively dread a wet race weekend out of the fear of having to sit through hours of delays waiting for a race to happen (or not).

 

- Too many races. I personally feel like this is just diluting each race, it just feels like there's a race every weekend now and I'm having to miss so much more due to having other plans. I would be more than happy to have 16 race seasons.

 

- I have little affinity for most of the current drivers on the grid. This is probably a generational thing and obviously my own opinion, but I don't have much interest in the new generation of drivers. And the fact that guys like Alonso and Hamilton are still two of the best on the grid (out with Verstappen) despite their respective ages says a lot.



#188 Steve99

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Posted 10 October 2022 - 09:54

"... Not every race in history was a Dijon 1979..." That race was, by and large, deadly boring bar the last few laps..."

I still love F1. I love the characters, the rivalries, and unlike many I enjoy the technical elements. What spoils it for me is over-saturation: there are too many races, and everything is instantly available. I hark back - with rose tints - to the days when I would pick up my copy of Autosport on the way to school on Thursday morning to read about what really happened. I don't mind the move towards entertainment - the sport needs younger fans to keep it alive, and that's what they want - but I could give a long list of things I would change. 


 



#189 pdac

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Posted 10 October 2022 - 15:07

> Is it that you don't actually like formula one

 

Actually, it could be. Now that the 2022 WDC is settled (and the WCC is pretty much done too), I might skip the rest of the season and (hopefully) come back a bit more refreshed next year. It feels kind of right to stop in October.


Edited by pdac, 10 October 2022 - 15:08.


#190 GuilhermeMach

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Posted 10 October 2022 - 16:42

I'm a bit late to the discussion, and didn't read all posts thoroughly on the last two pages, so forgive me if I make repetitive points.

 

I think that a lot of people are watching F1 out of habit these days, especially those who have been watching it for more than 20 years. I understand where this habit comes from, as I used to do the same, but it leads to a perception that something is off, and it mostly manifests itself as boredom or discontent. I started watching in 1998 when I was 7 years-old, and watched all races until 2013 except in cases of force majeure. F1 was a huge part of my formative years, it was my biggest interest all the way until my early 20's. I felt bouts of anxiety and anticipation in every race day up until that point. Race starts were tense. But slowly I felt that feeling draining away. I didn't feel nervous during starts anymore and eventually stopped waking up at 7AM for every race. After 2017 I stopped watching altogether because a lot was happening in my life, and that was the moment I realized I didn't miss F1 in my life. I watch the occasional race (I gave this season a try as I was very interested in this new generation of cars), but I don't make it an integral part of my weekends. Also this bloated calendar demands more time from us while not giving a worthwhile experience, making it even more difficult to justify F1 as a priority.

 

So my point is that for us who have been watching it for a long time, it is perfectly normal to feel disconnected from F1, as we have changed as human beings and F1 itself has changed dramatically, to a point that we don't recognize many things that made us fall in love with it in the first place. Watching it on the vain hope that we might feel as we used to years ago is just sunken-cost fallacy to me, and the cost is way too high.

 

Nowadays I'm much more interested in the history (and stories) of F1 rather than the actual product being currently sold, which I recognize is just not for me anymore. However, I'm absolutely not going to hold it against those who still love it and then complain about it on the race threads. Some battles are not worth fighting.