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[Alfisti]

My annual tradition to start this thread is a bit late this year, sorry bout that.

Lots to talk about, first the housekeeping for those who are new.

1,000 km (161 laps), about 700hp, 5 litre V8, 1350kg, not much aero and hilariously small tyres. They will circulate about 2 seconds off the pace of GT3 cars due to the lack of grip.

Go to YouTube, find the supercars channel and buy a sub, 5 bucks, just cancel it after the race if you don't want the entire yr.

It's the final year for Holden, GM pulling the plug on the brand a few years ago, next yr it'll be the Camaro.

Rain, **** tonnes of rain. Eastern Australia has had 30 months of relentless rain, 2022 setting a new record. So the track surrounds are weirdly green, not brown and if you make a mistake you're hitting a wall or getting buried in the sand.

Favorites would be van gisbergan but i have a feeling waters may finally get there.

Head honcho of sport says race goes ahead come hell or high water, so this may get sketchy if it floods. Let's go.

[BoDarvelle]

Alfisti, on 07 Oct 2022 - 01:33, said:

Head honcho of sport says race goes ahead come hell or high water, so this may get sketchy if it floods. Let's go.

 

As it should be.

[Alfisti]

BoDarvelle, on 07 Oct 2022 - 01:35, said:

As it should be.

I dont disagree but they are calling for serious rain, and it's a big hill so the water creates little rivers as it runs down the hill.........can get real messy upbthere... real messy.

[krapmeister]

I think the bulk of the rain is forecast for Saturday? So hopefully the race isn't as stoopidly wet.

Recent rally experience for SVG may come in handy!

[Flasheart]

My favourite Motorsport weekend.
Wet weather supposed to continue until about Race start time Sunday.

A bit of history this weekend. 50 years since Peter Brock made his debut.
And sadly, 30 years since Denny Hulme died. The vision of his BMW slowly coming to a halt on Conrod Straight is burned into my memory. Dad and I were watching together as we always did, and he said straight away something was seriously wrong. So sad.

And it’s goodbye to Holden.

[GregThomas]

Remember Brock winning the Round Australia Trial before going to Bathurst and winning there ?  Van Gisbergen's sideways time at rally NZ should come in handy

I'd have buck or two on him.

[Victor_RO]

https://www.supercar...er-jones-clash/ 3-place grid drop for SVG for a properly daft moment at the Dipper at the end of quali with Macaulay Jones.

[krapmeister]

Alfisti, on 07 Oct 2022 - 01:44, said:

I dont disagree but they are calling for serious rain, and it's a big hill so the water creates little rivers as it runs down the hill.........can get real messy upbthere... real messy.

Nah - she'll be right

https://twitter.com/...201955771432961

Edited by krapmeister, 07 October 2022 - 09:35.

[Alfisti]

Jesus 30 years since hulme? I remember that very clearly. I'm getting old.

Its been damn near 30 years since Lowndes debuted which is just nuts, I was there and it rained that day too.

[Risil]

Was Lowndes the one who did a year in F3000 alongside Montoya? Racing for Helmut Marko's team?

[krapmeister]

Yep

[Alfisti]

Risil, on 07 Oct 2022 - 11:55, said:

Was Lowndes the one who did a year in F3000 alongside Montoya? Racing for Helmut Marko's team?

 

Properly talented driver, was under prepared for that f3000 drive. I am a firm beleiver that the top Supercar drivers would hold their own in top open wheel categories. If Shane Van Gisbergen is not a better driver than half the F1 field right now than i'm Brad Pitt. 

[pacificquay]

SVG of course had some experience driving McLaren GT cars - Zak Brown should give him an IndyCar test

[jonpollak]

Wonder what Scotty Mac would think of that.
Jp

[pacificquay]

jonpollak, on 07 Oct 2022 - 12:37, said:

Wonder what Scotty Mac would think of that.
Jp

 

I think he'd welcome it

[Alfisti]

jonpollak, on 07 Oct 2022 - 12:37, said:

Wonder what Scotty Mac would think of that.
Jp

I have often held the belief that there's top drivers out there, outside of the F-feeder series. I think it is fair to say Scott belongs in a top tier formulae but I've seen nothing from him that suggests he is any better than SVG over the past 5 years, not saying Shane is better but if Scott can hustle an indycar to top 5 in the CC, I reakon SVG could do it too. 

[Victor_RO]

Alfisti, on 07 Oct 2022 - 12:42, said:

I have often held the belief that there's top drivers out there, outside of the F-feeder series. I think it is fair to say Scott belongs in a top tier formulae but I've seen nothing from him that suggests he is any better than SVG over the past 5 years, not saying Shane is better but if Scott can hustle an indycar to top 5 in the CC, I reakon SVG could do it too. 

 

Scotty and SVG are relative equals in talent IMO, varies a bit from car spec to car spec (SVG was always a rocket in GT3 cars, Scotty less so, but on the other hand Scotty's adapted to Indycar insanely quickly for someone with no real prior OW experience).

[Alfisti]

GT3 cars are really, really different to a V8 SUpercar. The lap times are not too far apart but at Bathurst especially, they make their time in totally different ways. The Supercar is fast in a straight line, it has more power and way less downforce, the GT3 is a monster across the top, i'd argue almost too fast and borderline dangerous given the crashes we have seen. 

[azza200]

 

[Alfisti]

How SVG avoided a massive penalty for that is beyond me. What was his excuse?

[Victor_RO]

Alfisti, on 07 Oct 2022 - 13:40, said:

How SVG avoided a massive penalty for that is beyond me. What was his excuse?

 
Yeah, a 3-place grid drop is probably not enough. I was thinking that they'd at least bump him out of the Shootout.
 
SVG's excuse, without comment...

https://www.facebook...8h37oM4kXrPJnNl
 

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Wild qualifying day at Bathurst. We are in the shootout which is always awesome!
Bizzare ending to Quali making contact with the 96 car, from my end I saw him make a big mistake at T1 and go wide so knew his lap was ruined. At skyline he braked super early and out of the line so I thought he was letting me past, once I committed over skyline that was it.
Looking forward to tomorrow

[Alfisti]

You know what, looking at it, he may well have a point. 

[Victor_RO]

Yeah, to be fair, there *is* a shortcut there for a reason, but... yeah, he shouldn't have gone for that gap, but it does seem like more of a misunderstanding than an intentional punt.

[Bloggsworth]

Alfisti, on 07 Oct 2022 - 12:27, said:

Properly talented driver, was under prepared for that f3000 drive. I am a firm beleiver that the top Supercar drivers would hold their own in top open wheel categories. If Shane Van Gisbergen is not a better driver than half the F1 field right now than i'm Brad Pitt. 

One of them already does...

[Gambelli]

Victor_RO, on 07 Oct 2022 - 12:44, said:

Scotty and SVG are relative equals in talent IMO, varies a bit from car spec to car spec (SVG was always a rocket in GT3 cars, Scotty less so, but on the other hand Scotty's adapted to Indycar insanely quickly for someone with no real prior OW experience).

 

 

Maybe I'm remembering this wrong.... but.

 

Weren't they fielded by the same team 3 or 4 years ago at the 12 hour?  Shane was in the Pro team and Scotty in the Pro/Am?  I was far more a Scotty fan and a huge 12 hour GT3 fan,  so I was mega keen to see how they did in outright pace, and I think in Qualifying Scotty pipped him.  Means nothing of course, even if I'm remembering right, other than Scotty could hussle a GT3 around there just as quick.  In the race the Scotty car as a Pro/Am was nowhere from memory.

 

Damn Covid killed some great momentum for the 12 hour.....

[Alfisti]

They are gonna need to slow the GT3 cars down, bordering on plane crashes at reid park/Sulman park and mcphillamy. I don't think they lift through there which is proper insane. 

Edited by Alfisti, 07 October 2022 - 19:18.

[krapmeister]

pacificquay, on 07 Oct 2022 - 12:39, said:

I think he'd welcome it

Well he did say on one of the Bus Bros episodes that he like to see SVG in an Indycar, so I think you're right.

Re: SVG - struck me the other day that he is a younger version of Jim Richards. Apart from also being a Kiwi and making his name in touring cars, he drives anything (just like Jim) and invariably is super fast in whatever he gets in (just like Jim). I don't think Jim did proper rally but he did do a lot of tarmac rally or targa stuff, both have had a go at open wheelers (F5000 for Jim in the late 70's), and with Shane potentially having a go at NASCAR soon Jim has also raced NASCAR - so the parallels are pretty close.

[Alfisti]

Nah Jim was smoother, super reliable, svg is a balls to the wall gun.

[Flasheart]

Well, the rain has arrived…

[Victor_RO]

Unfortunate that the shootout got canned, but looking at the track conditions, ABSOLUTELY the right call when there are *lakes* in the braking area for T1.

[BobbyRicky]

I somehow think that the Davison-brothers are going to snatch this one.

Oh, and the DJR-cars look lovely with that livery.

Edited by BobbyRicky, 08 October 2022 - 10:24.

[krapmeister]

MalcolmC, on 07 Oct 2022 - 22:47, said:

He drove in Rally NZ several times. He never won it but had 13 stage wins in 1969, 3 wins in '71, 2 in '72, 16 in '73.
Top bloke is Jim.

Didn't know that - cheers!

And agree - Jim is a great bloke

[krapmeister]

Alfisti, on 08 Oct 2022 - 00:35, said:

Nah Jim was smoother, super reliable, svg is a balls to the wall gun.

I was thinking more the parallels in what they have driven and how they will drive anything'n'everything, rather than driving style/attitude.

But yes, SVG is definitely a no holds barred, no compromise racer - sometimes to his own (and others) detriment. Jim was certainly a reliable and fair driver - rarely controversial. He wasn't called Gentleman Jim Richards for nothing

[Alfisti]

I still favour tickford but would like to switch will davo get it, top bloke.

[Ben24]

Victor_RO, on 07 Oct 2022 - 12:44, said:

Scotty and SVG are relative equals in talent IMO, varies a bit from car spec to car spec (SVG was always a rocket in GT3 cars, Scotty less so, but on the other hand Scotty's adapted to Indycar insanely quickly for someone with no real prior OW experience).

I think SVG has the edge over SM terms of racecraft but in terms of outright pace I don't think he's a match for Scott. I know Shane was going against one of the absolute greatest of all time in Whincup but I don't think we was ever clearly quicker than Jamie until the last year or so (I'd actually argue that Jamie was the quickest driver overall in the first couple of years together even though he was most likely past his peak in terms of pace). Meanwhile SM was absolutely destroying every driver who ever lined up alongside him and achieved results no one has come close to matching in that team.

 

I wouldn't even try to argue that SVG isn't as good an overall driver as SM. When it comes to overall motorsport ability SVG might end up ahead of SM more often than not. But when it comes to Supercars and the driving characteristics for it, I reckon Scott is a quicker driver than Shane and would beat him over the course of a season.

[PitViperRacing]

Hopefully it rains all day and hard. Should make for a belter.

CCCCAAARRRRNNNNNN CHAZZIE

[PLAYLIFE]

Forecast kinder today, 50% chance of rain at 1400 seems to be the worst of it, mostly dry otherwise.

[Flasheart]

I really hope Murph and Stanaway have a good day. The same for Lowndes and Frazer.
I’m disappointed Walkinshaw are defecting too Ford next year, but I’d love to see Chaz send Holden off with a win in the closest thing left to the HDT, including Mobil 1 sponsorship.

If only Murph, Lowndesy, and GT were in a three driver team! 😂

Edited by Flasheart, 08 October 2022 - 22:51.

[RPM40]

Partially wet track, this could be chaos on lap 1. 

[krapmeister]

This could be a loonnnggggg race this year

[krapmeister]

Geez the state of that track down mountain straight

[krapmeister]

Race over for several cars already

[RPM40]

krapmeister, on 09 Oct 2022 - 00:24, said:

Race over for several cars already

 

Thankfully Craig made it through 

[Alfisti]

I was just gonna say I bet ya a pile up into t1!!

[krapmeister]

Will Brown is very optimistic

[krapmeister]

The Castrol Mustang was pretty unlucky in all that - went on the grass to avoid the spinning Perkins car and went straight into the wall

[Alfisti]

How bad is hell corner, it's a mess, jesusbyou make a mistake and you're bogged.

[RPM40]

What happened to the #100 DJR car? Its last

[krapmeister]

Yeah you won't be able to defend against someone trying to pass you under brakes on the inside, as they will just push you obto the wet part of the track

[krapmeister]

RPM40, on 09 Oct 2022 - 00:35, said:

What happened to the #100 DJR car? Its last

Bent steering rod - they pitted to replace it under SC