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[krapmeister]

Yes Cam! Let's go for a 3 way finish 

[Nobody]

Business end who do we want to win

Cam and maybe the Kosteckis for a boilover

[krapmeister]

Kostecki will only win if something befalls the top 3

[krapmeister]

Feels like Mostert might be hampered by a cooling issue - might be between SVG and Waters if he can get by Chaz

 

But he needs to get by Chaz asap

Edited by krapmeister, 09 October 2022 - 06:37.

[krapmeister]

The Giz has broken them

[krapmeister]

ANY chance of a race for the lead Waters has to pass Mostert NOW

[krapmeister]

Waters is done. Chaz closing - come on Chaz!

Edited by krapmeister, 09 October 2022 - 06:44.

[krapmeister]

Noooo Chaz - that's it I think

[Nobody]

Not yet

[krapmeister]

I bet Dane and Whincup are making sure Zak Brown is staying well away from SVG this weekend

Edited by krapmeister, 09 October 2022 - 06:53.

[krapmeister]

Lol Van Gisbergen shredded the tyres 

[krapmeister]

Well done SVG/Tander/RBR!

 

Tough for Mostert/Coulthard/WAU - fought hard and ran them close

 

Waters/Perkins/Tickford - well, at least it isn't second

[Flasheart]

Well, farewell Holden. It was a great race. I’m happy for GT. Chaz drove nearly half the race in his last stint.

[ArnageWRC]

For me SvG is the most complete driver in motorsport at the moment...quick in everything.......Max who???

[Alex79]

For me SvG is the most complete driver in motorsport at the moment...quick in everything.......Max who???

Well then it's simple isn't it. Let Max do an Supercars weekend and give SVG an F1 outing

[krapmeister]

SVG obviously celebrates like he drives...

https://www.speedcaf...t-celebrations/

[Alfisti]

Just finished it. Love crompton but he and skaife need t tone down the hyperbole. 

 

As I called it from very early on, Kostecki never had the pace, nor  did feeney, this was a 3 car fight. Tickford VERY fast for 5 to 7 laps a stint but then the rears go. 

 

What's becoming clear is decisions VERY early on matter, things are so competitive that track position is vital, even some 4 hours later in the day. Moffat being turned around likely cost them the race. 

 

Great race, some outstanding driving, shame to see the last Holden victory though. 

[Daniel Lester]

It was a good race, but the field of drivers felt a bit light weight compared to years gone by, maybe some of the drivers will come through in the next few years and make a mark but it's hard to see who. Almost a pro/am race. 

 

Go back and look at the 2006 grid... most of the big names on this years grid were there in 2006 (even Jack Perkins), with the exceptions of Van Gis and Moztert - and Courtney - but he's also nearer the end these days. 

 

and after a whole afternoon of Skaife and Crompton, I think my ears were bleeding...

Edited by Daniel Lester, 10 October 2022 - 04:41.

[Daniel Lester]

Maybe, but in 2006 like 2022 we had:

 

Courtney, Tander, Whincup, Lowndes, Perkins, Murphy, Winterbottom, D'Alberto, Will and Alex Davison, Luff, Holdsworth - most of whom were early or no more than mid-career at that point.

 

But 2006 also had

 

Skaife, Jim Richards, Ryan Briscoe, Ingall, Steen Johnson, Glenn Seton, Jason Richards, Steven Richards, Bright, Brad Jones, John Bowe, Rick and Todd Kelly, Paul Radisich, Tony Loghurst, Paul Morris 

 

Nevermind the 'B' drivers, McLean, McConville, Canto, Paul Weel, Ellery, Jono Webb, Bargwanna, Baird, Besnard, Max Wilson, Dumbrell, Youlden and David Brabham

 

 

As for defectees not present either year, you can swap Ambrose for McLaughlin 

 

In 2006, you could see who which drivers were the next gen of supercar stars, replacing the guys who were done or nearly done, right now that's not so clear - Van Gis has been around a long time, Mostert has nearly been there a decade... not saying the field is bad, just feel that in a different era, a lot of 'A' drivers would have been solid co-drivers and many of the co-drivers wouldn't have got a gig.

 

Did Supercars skip or miss a generation of talent, aside from Van Gis in 2008 and Mostert in 2013 not a lot of other guys came through and made it in that era + the previous era held on well and dominated into the 2010's.

 

Just my 2 bob's. 

[Beggysmalls]

I think the issue is that in the late 90s and early 2000s it was considerably cheaper to get noticed by a team by running formula ford/ formula holden ect

Now with the drivers almost being forced to do super 3 super 2 i wonder if some of the talent doesnt actually get to be noticed because they dont have a million bucks to sink into a couple of seasons of super 3 super 2.
I also think covids had an effect as there simply hasnt been the racing avalible for co drivers to keep match fit
And to add to that no sandown 500 either

[Victor_RO]

Did Supercars skip or miss a generation of talent, aside from Van Gis in 2008 and Mostert in 2013 not a lot of other guys came through and made it in that era + the previous era held on well and dominated into the 2010's.

 

Just my 2 bob's. 

 

IMO, considering what Scotty's been doing in Indycar, and what SVG and Chaz have done on occasion in GT3 either overseas or at the 12 Hour, it's just that those three are, by varying degrees, way ahead of the rest of their Aus/NZ generation. There's talent in the newer drivers, but those three (and one is proving this to the world) could have probably had success almost anywhere with the right backing and preparation.

 

This is definitely a view from a European perspective though.

[Alfisti]

I agree the driving pool of real top tier guys is a bit shallow. It's not helped by the relentlessness of 888, they are always up there.

At the start of the race I said there's three cars, and this is how it turned out, mostly due to drivers. There's quite a few competent guys but man, when the screws are tightened svg and mostert especially and in guess waters, REALLY gap the rest.

Moffat was surprisingly poor, he really struggled. Not sure what the answer is but with Lowndes and whincup and tander effectively retired its weakened the field.

On a broader note it'll be interesting to see if the extremely strong viewing numbers hold without holden.

Edited by Alfisti, 10 October 2022 - 14:39.

[GreenMachine]

On a broader note it'll be interesting to see if the extremely strong viewing numbers hold without holden.

 

Yes, and attendances.  There will be a fall in the tribalism of the Holden fans, maybe even in the Ford fans too, but the extent to which that is reflected in viewing/attending remains to be seen.

[RPM40]

I agree the driving pool of real top tier guys is a bit shallow. It's not helped by the relentlessness of 888, they are always up there.

At the start of the race I said there's three cars, and this is how it turned out, mostly due to drivers. There's quite a few competent guys but man, when the screws are tightened svg and mostert especially and in guess waters, REALLY gap the rest.

Moffat was surprisingly poor, he really struggled. Not sure what the answer is but with Lowndes and whincup and tander effectively retired its weakened the field.

On a broader note it'll be interesting to see if the extremely strong viewing numbers hold without holden.

 

There is really only 1 top level driver left with Whincup, McLaughlin gone. Of course Lowndes and Tander also but they had started to age out.

 

The thing also is, I don't see anyone that is going to challenge Van Gisbergen. There are no real promising young talents that I can see stepping up to that level in the next couple of years. Maybe Feeney, but Van Gisbergen could win 80% of the races for seasons.

[Alfisti]

At bathurst, to me anyways, mostert is a gun. Waters does well too as I suspect the 888 cars are better engineered.

If you're someone like haas, honestly, you say hey, shane, wanna a few days testing? He would legit be better than half the f1 field imho.

[krapmeister]

SVG could fit into one of those Toyota series open wheelers for his NZ GP win though, so while he might be too big for F1 (and more than likely too old) he should be able to fit in an Indycar?

[krapmeister]

Definitely SVG, Mostert and Waters are the stand outs in the current series - with Shane a level above the other too IMO.

I was a bit thrown to hear that SVG is 33yrs old - I still think of him as a young gun but he's been around for over 15yrs now. I have said it before but I would love to see him racing overseas a lot more, maybe with another Bathurst and Championship or two he might do it - but I have heard that he also likes home, so not sure it would be more than a few select events a year.