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[Marklar]

It is odd to think that the team-mates of the title protagonists are probably more likely to end up in F1.

it's the rookie bonus. If Bearman and Martins struggle to beat O'Sullivan and Antonelli next year the same will happen to them (although I suspect Bearman will be helped from Antonelli's hype and his own age even in that case somewhat)

[Muppetmad]

Feature race:

Pourchaire: 1,13,2,3,2,7,7,3,6,2,DNF,3,5

Vesti: DNF,1,4,4,1,5,3,DNF,2,DNS,DNF,DNF,3

 

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You can really see where he lost the championship

Well, indeed, and this is something that has been missed in looking at the stats. Vesti had six wins, sure, but four of those were sprint race wins. Pourchaire had a nightmare weekend in Jeddah, and binned it in Zandvoort from the lead, but otherwise, he was always there or thereabouts in the feature races. It's been Bearman and Doohan who have won the most feature races, but then they lacked consistency across the season.

[milestone 11]

Thoroughly enjoyed that. Fair play to Vesti not giving up on the P3, idiot Maloney could have put him in the wall. Well pleased for Theo rooted for him throughout regardless of the single win.

[Muppetmad]

He will go there? This is awesome ^_^

It's not confirmed yet, but my understanding is that it's very, very likely.

[Muppetmad]

Vesti is a class act. He gave it his all, and you have to admire that.

[eab]

Feature race:

Pourchaire: 1,13,2,3,2,7,7,3,6,2,DNF,3,5

Vesti: DNF,1,4,4,1,5,3,DNF,2,DNS,DNF,DNF,3

 

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You can really see where he lost the championship

Picking this one out of all the comments that talk about where one might've lost it VS the other won it etc etc.

As I haven't seen anything, apart from little parts of this weekend, what kind of retirements were these (as in car, driver, operations, otherwise)? Does anybody know?

[VamosVamos]

Picking this one out of all the comments that talk about where one might've lost it VS the other won it etc etc.
As I haven't seen anything, apart from little parts of this weekend, what kind of retirements were these (as in car, driver, operations, otherwise)? Does anybody know?

Vesti DNF’d in Monza due to a crazy desperate overtake attempt, wheels fell off in Zandvoort and DNS in Spa as he spun on the way to the grid.

[Muppetmad]

Picking this one out of all the comments that talk about where one might've lost it VS the other won it etc etc.

As I haven't seen anything, apart from little parts of this weekend, what kind of retirements were these (as in car, driver, operations, otherwise)? Does anybody know?

For Vesti:

 

Bahrain - can't remember!

Silverstone - caught out in an accordion effect; he was hit from behind, but it's likely he was going to run into Stanek even without assistance

Spa - crashed on the reconnaissance lap

Zandvoort - team error at pit stop, but he'd already dropped to the back of the field after a first lap spin

Monza - taken out by Stanek (although some place blame on him, I blame Stanek entirely)

[Frood]

Bahrain he crashed into Verschoor.

The Silverstone incident was Nissany's fault IIRC (if in doubt, blame Nissany anyway)

Edited by Frood, 26 November 2023 - 10:48.

[VamosVamos]

For Vesti:

Bahrain - can't remember!
Silverstone - caught out in an accordion effect; he was hit from behind, but it's likely he was going to run into Stanek even without assistance
Spa - crashed on the reconnaissance lap
Zandvoort - team error at pit stop, but he'd already dropped to the back of the field after a first lap spin
Monza - taken out by Stanek (although some place blame on him, I blame Stanek entirely)

Monza is here

https://youtu.be/ERu...x3k9epVm1a6bzJQ

Bad driving from Stanek but very silly from Vesti driving into a gap that everytime gets closed

[Kev00]

So there’s no penalties in F2 for just going off track and skipping corners altogether then? Must be easy racing on this track

[messy]

Vesti certainly made errors this season that prevented him from taking the title against such a consistent rival, but his highs were so high. I think it’s probably a better overall campaign than Ilott’s in 2020 where there were plenty of suggestions that the Virtuosi cars were somehow set up better than the others, and maybe quite comparable to Alex Albon in 2018? Underwhelming first year included. Actually I think the guy who maybe really missed his chance this year was Doohan - after the mid season setup changes he was dynamite.

Gotta respect how consistent Pourchaire was, but I really don’t think that cuts it in terms of F1 potential. In F2 you’re looking for that raw potential, and a third year coming top six all the time while his faster rivals (Vesti, Doohan, Bearman even) blow hot and cold so he kinda sneaks through the middle of them…it’s setting him up for a nice career in the WEC or something, but as a third year you need to do more than that. Drugovich’s title year was much more convincing than that.

[LolaB0860]

Drugovich? Who's that? Cousin of Pantano?

[noikeee]

You could even say Drugovich and Pourchaire are very similar, the difference is Drugo started his F2 career (way) worse but finished better with a much more convincing title campaign with more wins.

Pourchaire is a tad younger, but people are treating Drugovich as if he was a veteran grandad. He won F2 at the age of 22.... Pantano won it aged 29 after having already done F1 (a short lived experience tbf). That's not the same thing, guys.

Edited by noikeee, 26 November 2023 - 11:41.

[TomNokoe]

Glad to see Doohan win and secure third in the championship. Reminds me of Lawson a little bit. If given a chance in F1 he will impress, I am sure.

[Junky]

Glad to see Doohan win and secure third in the championship. Reminds me of Lawson a little bit. If given a chance in F1 he will impress, I am sure.

I have the same impression. What will be his plans for 2024?

[Frood]

As I do for the other series, I also track fastest laps compared to the fastest lap in each race. With the tyre strategies in F2, this information is verging on useless, but here it is anyway. 4 worst scores dropped (two for Benavides - he did more than half the season, but less than 75%) as it's a long season, not counting races where drivers didn't get past half-distance:

 

And team-mates compared - two worst scores dropped in each driver's favour (one for Nissany/Benavides):

Edited by Frood, 26 November 2023 - 21:09.

[Ben24]

I don't think so, Kush left no space

Maini was definitely overly aggressive in several instances and probably should've left more room for Pourchaire instead of running him wide. Still, that doesn't just give Pourchaire the right to overtake and gain a massive advantage by cutting the track like that. He went from side by side with a chance to overtake to miles in front with no pressure on him, pulling a big gap on his title rival at the same time. Really should've been a penalty for Pourchaire there imo.

[Muppetmad]

It was Pourchaire's corner - he was ahead - but Maini still forced him off. I can see the logic for requiring Pourchaire to give the place back, but only if Maini is penalised for forcing him off.

[Ben24]

Glad to see Doohan win and secure third in the championship. Reminds me of Lawson a little bit. If given a chance in F1 he will impress, I am sure.

Doohan's results in F2 don't really don't reflect just how consistently quick he was. He was fast right from when he stepped in for the final race of 2021 against drivers who'd been competing all year and put his car on the front row. Then he followed it up with pole in the first race of his rookie campaign and was pretty much a permanent fixture in the top 2 rows all year. I still feel like he struggles a bit coming through the field compared to others but I think the ultimate pace is definitely there to be competitive in F1.

[Ben24]

It was Pourchaire's corner - he was ahead - but Maini still forced him off. I can see the logic for requiring Pourchaire to give the place back, but only if Maini is penalised for forcing him off.

After watching it again Pourchaire didn't gain as much as I thought by cutting the track - Maini was actually the one who cut the track earlier in the same lap and held onto his advantage - but that was definitely not Pourchaire's corner. At most he just got his nose ever so slightly ahead but Maini was almost fully alongside and on the inside so had every right to contest the corner. By the apex they were basically dead level so Maini really should've left room for Pourchaire which he obviously didn't.

 

In isolation, I still don't like Pourchaire completing the pass off the track like that, even if Maini did push him off. However, Maini had no place being there to begin with because he cut the track himself just a few corners earlier to stay ahead of Pouchaire anyway so it was actually fair enough. And the main thing I was concerned about was Pourchaire gaining time on Vesti by cutting the corner but I was wrong about that. Definitely don't think Pourchaire deserves a penalty now after watching it again.