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[Risil]

They collided. Everyone in the pub thinks it was Lewis's fault. But was it?

[Disgrace]

They collided. Everyone in the pub thinks it was Lewis's fault. But was it?

 

The pub consensus is correct - you can't just turn in if someone is well up your inside. Twice Hamilton has made this mistake now.

[FullOppositeLock]

Yes it was

[Diablobb81]

If you have to blame someone (when they are fighting side by side) it has to be Lewis.

[Kev00]

I thought slightly Lewis but you’re looking at tiny margins and it more clumsy and a racing incident for me

[ForzaGTR]

Verstappen at fault and penalised. About time

[Ali_G]

Surely needs a poll?

[JoeShmoe]

About time he got penalised, never knows when to back out

[wingwalker]

Actually I thought it was a bit rich from Max to try to fit his car there, but then again he was ahead just before... I'd like to see the onboards.

[Augurk]

That’s the stewards saying you can’t overtake on the inside into T2 then? If you’re 75% alongside and get penalized if someone closes the door and crashes into you.

[PoliFanAthic]

Wow, that penalty makes zero sense to me. Racing incident or Ham to fault as far as I read it. Thankfully it doesn't matter.

[Ruusperi]

Textbook racing incident.

[Ncedi]

So you don't have to give a car alongside you racing room? Lovely from the stewards there...

So inconsistent it's ridiculous

[GentlemanDriver091]

About time he got penalised, never knows when to back out

How could he back out? I really don’t see it.

[Ivanhoe]

Guidelines on overtaking. Ridiculous penalty.

 

 

In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track.

When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.

[FullOppositeLock]

Stewards have completely lost the plot with that decision. Since when can a defending driver just crowd out an attacking driver who is almost fully alongside?

[CSF]

Are the FIA scared to give Hamilton and Mercedes a penalty because of the nonsense that would follow it from the online mob?

[Disgrace]

So you don't have to give a car alongside you racing room? Lovely from the stewards there...

So inconsistent it's ridiculous

 

Yeah, if that was Stroll rather than Hamilton on the outside, I wonder how they would have decided. A hopeless decision.

[Peat]

Remarkable stewarding. 

Racing incident, but if you had, HAD to penalise someone then I would have said Lewis.   

 

[Montie]

I don’t understand why Verstappen got the penalty, to me Hamilton left no room.

[Spillage]

One of the worst stewarding decisions we've seen in a while, and up against some stuff competition too.

[Button4life]

Not a chance that was Max’ fault. More Lewis’ fault than Max.

[Huffer]

Totally on Max. Stewards agree. He was the car behind - the only way that move was going to work was if the Merc wasn't there. A typical Max "move or else" move. 

[Ali_G]

Can’t for the life of me understand that decision. Verstappen was at worst 3/4 up on Hamilton and it wasn’t a dive bomb.

I hope this doesn’t start a trend as it will completely kill racing.

[Ali623]

Certainly wasn't Verstappen's fault, can't argue that. Most likely Hamilton's fault (if not, a racing incident)

[Ali_G]

Totally on Max. Stewards agree. He was the car behind - the only way that move was going to work was if the Merc wasn't there. A typical Max "move or else" move.

He was 3/4 alongside. How can anyone pass on the inside of the corner if that isn’t allowable? Mind boggling.

[Ivanhoe]

Totally on Max. Stewards agree. He was the car behind - the only way that move was going to work was if the Merc wasn't there. A typical Max "move or else" move. 

Maybe read the FIA guidelines on overtaking.

[Ljransom]

Verstappen at fault and penalised. About time

Any unbaised or knowledgeable viewer would know that was clearly a racing incident, swaying towards Lewis's fault. You just have to look at the wording in the regulations. If it was the other way round round could you honestly say you would have the same view? I highly doubt it lol.

[Huffer]

He was 3/4 alongside. How can anyone pass on the inside of the corner if that isn’t allowable? Mind boggling.

 

At the point of contact. But not before. 

[Huffer]

Maybe read the FIA guidelines on overtaking.

 

Perhaps you should do the same.

[Roadhouse]

Max earned a car's width there, weird decision by the stewards.

[Ivanhoe]

Perhaps you should do the same.

I did.

 

Guidelines on overtaking. Ridiculous penalty.

In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track.

When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.

[Ellios]

HAM fault, VER fault, FIA fault, Ruining F1, Never watching F1 again (I added that one).

 

HOUSE ! Bingo card filled ! 

[ebc]

Racing incident but if I had to pin blame on one of them it would be Hamilton, bizarre decision by the stewards.

[Huffer]

I did.

 

Right. You must have missed the "among the various factors" part of text , or purposefully ignored it. It's not the only factor, and it doesn't state that it's the primary factor. But by all means, keep on being high handed and telling those who dare to disagree with you to "read the regulations".

Edited by Huffer, 13 November 2022 - 18:38.

[Ali_G]

At the point of contact. But not before.

He was fully alongside him earlier in the corner.

[Huffer]

He was fully alongside him earlier in the corner.

 

But not when it mattered. 

[Ivanhoe]

Right. You must have missed the "among the various factors" part of text , or purposefully ignored it. It's not the only factor, and it doesn't state that it's the primary factor. But by all means, keep on being high handed and telling those who dare to disagree with you to "read the regulations".

So what are those “various factors” in this case?

[Huffer]

So what are those “various factors” in this case?

 

You tell me. You've read the regulations, apparently. 

[KLF1F]

Stewards took 1 whole year to apply Max's penalty at Brazil it seems   

[MikeTekRacing]

So what are those “various factors” in this case?

Don’t feed the troll.::

[Ali_G]

But not when it mattered.

You’re just making stuff up.

[CSF]

From that onboard, Hamilton runs him wide in T1 then just... drives into him in T2.

[ClubmanGT]

HAM fault, VER fault, FIA fault, Ruining F1, Never watching F1 again (I added that one).

 

HOUSE ! Bingo card filled ! 

 

What do we do for the next 100 pages then? 

 

Bit cool for this time of year, innit? 

[jacdaniel]

Red Bull need to appeal this. A criminal decision

[Huffer]

You’re just making stuff up.

 

No. He was briefly ahead in the first corner, which left him off-line for the second and having to take a less than optimal line for it, meaning that he'd have to slow down to even make it without understeering and going off. So Max ended up farther behind as they entered the next corner and the only way he was going to make the corner at that point was for the Merc to disappear. He wasn't really in a position to make that corner. It was just a "move or we crash" move. Well. He got one of those wishes and screwed himself in the process. 

[JeePee]

Lewis just did what he did to Alonso in Spa.

[F1FanAJ]

I realy mis the RB pit wall to FIA radio conversation... 

[FullOppositeLock]

Red Bull need to appeal this. A criminal decision

I imagine they will definitely seek clarification. That penalty makes absolutely no sense at all based on the guidelines FIA issued in the off season. It’s beyond the pale really

[ClubmanGT]

I hope this doesn’t start a trend as it will completely kill racing.

 

It sets a hell of a precedent. 

 

Having to complete an overtake before the car you're overtaking has to actually give you any space or is not allowed to just drive into you is going to set a really high bar.