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Gazzetta: Frederic Vasseur will be Ferrari TP from Jan 23 [New update: Vasseur confirmed]


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#1 SophieB

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 12:50

@Gazzetta_it
Ferrari F1 si cambia: salta Mattia Binotto! Al suo posto arriverà Frederic Vasseur
 
 auto translate:
Ferrari F1 changes: Mattia Binotto jumps! In his place will come Frederic Vasseur

 
https://www.gazzetta...ener_93c40689hm



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#2 ANF

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 12:52

:up:



#3 Pete_f1

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 12:52

It's not surprising after the strategy calls this year.

#4 Risil

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 12:54

I suppose it might work



#5 Diablobb81

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 12:55

Finally.



#6 Afterburner

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 12:56

I thought Alfa was the proving ground for future Ferrari drivers, not team principals!

#7 macjim

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 12:59

Eeekk!!

 

But is the problem really just the TP, or the entire structure needs a root & branch change?

 

F1 is a results driven business, Ferrari sacrificed 21 for 22, and still lost out - hardly a surprise.



#8 Primo

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:02

Who is above Binotto? Seems to me that maybe the problem lies there. 



#9 FLB

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:06

Formula Passion is saying the tire issue with Leclerc in Brazil was the fatal blow for Binotto:

 

https://www.formulap...erc-640693.html (in italiano)



#10 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:08

Alan McNish to Sauber?

#11 BillyWhizz

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:09

Wow.



#12 RedRabbit

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:09

Unless Rueda and Mekies are also going, absolutely nothing will change during a race weekend.

And if he is being fired, it's most likely because he doesn't want to accept a different role.

#13 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:10

This is SO Ferrari!! Replace some average with someone…. Average!! I’d cry if it weren’t so predictable.

#14 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:12

Steiner instead of Vassuer

#15 Burtros

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:13

Surprised it’s taken this long.

A Frenchman leading Ferrari. Went ok last time I guess.

#16 Ali623

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:18

Doubt this will change anything, also not really sure about Vasseur, he didn't really set the world alight at Sauber?



#17 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:28

The main grievance, it seems, amongst the terrible strategy / reliability is losing well over a second (!!!!) to Mercedes this season.

That seems to have incensed the board. That really is unforgivable.

Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 15 November 2022 - 13:31.


#18 Metronazol

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:34

And yet another brilliant Ferrari employee promoted away from the role at which they actually specialised at gets the boot fairly soon after. It's not surprising at all but how long till Binotto rocks up at another manufacturer with a headful of all the knowledge of that engine and goes back to being brilliant?

 

As for Vasseur, it's not the worst choice, wonder if his relationship with Leclerc has had any bearing on the choice.



#19 DeKnyff

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:37

Knee-jerk reaction, IMO. Binotto was not that bad. He has more positives than negatives. In the first half season, they showed the highest level of competitiveness since 2008. They looked like genuine title contenders.

 

Anyway, nothing new in Ferrari: they don't win? Ok, let's fire everybody and restart from zero. Until they realize again that they are not winning and return to case one: fire everybody. Domenicali - Mattiacci - Arrivabene - Binotto - Vasseur in the space of ten years.



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#20 onewingedangel

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:39

Wonder if we'll see some Audi influence as to the next Sauber TP, or if they'll be a clear placeholder.

#21 Ramon69

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:41

Good riddance Binotto!!!



#22 kosmos

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:45

They better change some of the guys doing the strategies too.



#23 Konsta

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:48

Knee-jerk reaction, IMO. Binotto was not that bad. He has more positives than negatives. In the first half season, they showed the highest level of competitiveness since 2008. They looked like genuine title contenders.

 

Anyway, nothing new in Ferrari: they don't win? Ok, let's fire everybody and restart from zero. Until they realize again that they are not winning and return to case one: fire everybody. Domenicali - Mattiacci - Arrivabene - Binotto - Vasseur in the space of ten years.

I´m a bit torn. Although I respect Binotto as a technical specialist, it seemed as if he was way out of league as TP. Mekies and Rueda should've been those sacked instead/before Binotto. Hopefully they go too and the team gets people who understand something about strategies and have imagination.



#24 vlado

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:54

The main grievance, it seems, amongst the terrible strategy / reliability is losing well over a second (!!!!) to Mercedes this season.

That seems to have incensed the board. That really is unforgivable.

That was achieved with a mid season rule change and not because Mercedes out developed Ferrari.

Edited by vlado, 15 November 2022 - 13:55.


#25 SenorSjon

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:55

Will Binotto return to his old role?



#26 GiorgioF1

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:56

This dude couldn't fix Alfas pitstop issues over the years and their weak strategy team/calls.

 

And now he's gonna be Ferraris new TP.

 

The hell are they smoking at Maranello?



#27 pacificquay

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:58

Typical Ferrari to continually sack people. 

 

Stability is what they need.



#28 JHSingo

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:58

Will Binotto return to his old role?

 

You mean as circus clown? 



#29 SenorSjon

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 13:59

That was achieved with a mid season rule change and not because Mercedes out developed Ferrari.

 

France and Hungary didn't exactly cover them in glory either. 



#30 RedRabbit

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:00

I´m a bit torn. Although I respect Binotto as a technical specialist, it seemed as if he was way out of league as TP. Mekies and Rueda should've been those sacked instead/before Binotto. Hopefully they go too and the team gets people who understand something about strategies and have imagination.


Maybe Binotto was asked to change Mekies and Rueda, along with other poor race operations engineers and refused.

#31 Muppetmad

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:01

Binotto was well suited to the technical side, and I hope he returns there. I don't know if Vasseur is the answer, but Ferrari hasn't delivered this year, and Binotto doesn't seem able to right the ship going forwards, so it is perfectly logical for Ferrari to make a change.



#32 Leibowitz

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:06

Glad that they sacked Binotto, but Vasseur is not the answer.

#33 steferrari

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:07

As I commented on Twitter and Reddit: not sure what to think about this.
 
In my opinion one of Ferrari’s mistakes was the constant lack of stability.
 
Domenicali, Mattiacci, Arrivabene, Binotto, now Vasseur... so many changes.
 
I think I would have kept Binotto as TP at least for 2023 and made small changes/reinforcements in the rest of the structure (for example the strategy department, probably Leclerc's race engineer as well).
 
If Fred comes in, I hope that Binotto will maintain an engineering position, which would be his natural role after all.
 
If they do this, maybe it could work.
 
We'll see.

Edited by steferrari, 15 November 2022 - 14:24.


#34 Fastcake

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:09

I’m not sure if this is a “fire the manager and hope it changes deep systematic issues” or part of a plan to truly turn Ferrari around, but after the rather disastrous season they had after producing a car that was in championship contention, at least for the first half of the season, something had to change.

Edited by Fastcake, 15 November 2022 - 14:10.


#35 Mohican

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:09

Don’t think that Binotto would accept working for a former customer.

#36 GiorgioF1

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:21

He needs to be snatched by Red Bull or Merc asap btw.

 
 

 

 


Edited by GiorgioF1, 15 November 2022 - 14:21.


#37 Marklar

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:22

If they get rid completely of him and he is willing to work in an engineering position elsewhere this could backfire badly.



#38 JRodrigues

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:23

As much as I like Vasseur (and I do a lot), I don't think he is the solution. Let him stay at Sauber/Audi, and get Arrivabene back at Ferrari.



#39 Marklar

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:25

so official word from Ferrari: "these are rumours and speculations we dont comment on"

that...should confirm it then


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#40 SophieB

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:25

I like Vasseur too and think this could be really good for Ferrari if they can keep Binotto in a tech capacity.



#41 TheFish

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:34

Ferrari produced the best car for race 1 and have contrived to only win 4 races, throw so many points away with horrific strategy and are now the 3rd fastest team.

 

Binotto didn't help himself with some of the comments he made throughout the season either. It's not a surprise he's going after failing to realise anywhere close to the potential for this season.



#42 MJB5990

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:37

I think Vasseur is a sensible hire and wise of Ferrari to bring in an outsider.

 

However, the bigger problem is the rest of the team. Replacing the TP will not sort their issues out. The team needs gutting from the bottom and overhauled completely, there's too many historical events that now are overhanging baggage and every time there is a minor error, it's made worst by the ones that proceeded it. 



#43 Marklar

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:39

 

so official word from Ferrari: "these are rumours and speculations we dont comment on"

that...should confirm it then

 

well, now they backtracked on this
 

@ScuderiaFerrari
Scuderia Ferrari Statement:
In relation to speculation in certain media regarding Scuderia Ferrari Team Principal Mattia Binotto's position, Ferrari states that these rumours are totally without foundation.


#44 CSF

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:41

 

Domenicali, Mattiacci, Arrivabene, Binotto, now Vasseur... so many changes.

 

The problem isn't firing them, absolutely none of them have done a good job, but hiring rubbish behind them. Fred is at least a complete outsider and will bring fresh eyes. 



#45 Fastcake

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:43

“Never believe anything until is has been officially denied”

#46 jimjimjeroo

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:44

https://scuderiafans...tion-from-2023/

#47 RedRabbit

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:44


well, now they backtracked on this

@ScuderiaFerrari
Scuderia Ferrari Statement:
In relation to speculation in certain media regarding Scuderia Ferrari Team Principal Mattia Binotto's position, Ferrari states that these rumours are totally without foundation.


Well, that definitely confirms it then 😂

#48 Myrvold

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:44

I thought Binotto has been in Italy the last races. And he gets the blame for the Leclerc thing?

#49 RedRabbit

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:45

I thought Binotto has been in Italy the last races. And he gets the blame for the Leclerc thing?


Well, yes, because it's literally his job to make sure that everyone else can do theirs properly, without micro managing.

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Posted 15 November 2022 - 14:50

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