113 replies to this topic

[cjm321190]

Lets see how next year pans out first. we might get a mix of Merc, RB and Ferrari winners.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

I have a better idea. Every car which dares to lead the race, should slow down.

[Clatter]

Much simpler to use the 'Hot Dog wrapper on the Back Straight' approach taken by some series 

 

What does that mean?

[68targa]

I understand that some will like this idea but for me you might as well have mandatory drive through if you lead a lap

 

Just what is happening to Grand Prix Racing - er,  I mean F1.  

 

We already have DRS which makes a mockery of driver skill on most circuits.   This is the pinnacle of our sport for goodness sake.

[ExFlagMan]

What does that mean?

 

Just call a FCY to close up the field like they do in NASCAR (according to some posts I recall seeing on here).

[danmills]

What they need is to remove much of the automated aspects and return more skill and error to the driver.

They already can all but drive themselves, this idea is just artificially creating overtaking.

What we ultimately need is greater unreliability and increased mistakes.

We are one step away from rails on the track surface, go fast bumps, ramps and criss cross sections.

[pdac]

What they need is to remove much of the automated aspects and return more skill and error to the driver.

They already can all but drive themselves, this idea is just artificially creating overtaking.

What we ultimately need is greater unreliability and increased mistakes.

We are one step away from rails on the track surface, go fast bumps, ramps and criss cross sections.

 

For that you need to address the equipment used in the design and manufacturing processes.

[HighwayStar]

It's a no thanks from me, even leaving aside that the proposed active aero concept sounds a bit too much like the red and blue shells from the Mario Kart games I think this year's regulations have made close racing and overtaking a lot more feasible at the majority of circuits, reducing the need for dramatic interventions - the 2022 cars have been much more successful in this regard than the 2009 cars (it could be argued that DRS was introduced in no small part due to the lack of success of those regulation changes in promoting overtaking).  A good example is Zandvoort, where the 2022 race was far more memorable than the 2021 edition. For the relatively few races this year where there was little in the way of close racing I would be inclined to blame the circuits rather than the cars, as most of the underwhelming races were at street circuits. Indeed, in the case of Spa Francorchamps I actually think DRS is now too powerful and consideration should be given to removing the DRS zone from the Kemmel Straight entirely, or at least shortening it somewhat.

[Secretariat]

It feels more like how some past rally rules have been in terms of who is first on the road. I can remember days in which teams would not want to be first on the road and during stages would be very slow intentionally. This sort of feels different than BOP. However, if you want to limit the gap that is gained by a team because they have been technically better and have a better car or that car is better adapted to that particular track.....might as well just do BOP.  

[F1matt]

Do "the powers that be" still consider F1 to be a sport? Ideas like this and some of the things implemented into the "show" are dragging F1 towards WWE levels and there is going to be a huge gulf between F1 and all other motorsports. 

[FLB]

reverse drs is a distraction.  but what are being distracted from?

 

The FIA's existence. This is nothing but another sign of the power stuggle between the FIA and F1, about which MBS did his best possible impersonation of Baghdad Bob last week: Ben Sulayem dismisses talk of 'bad relationship' with F1 management (autosport.com)

 

 

Brawn's been trying to run the FIA instead of the allowing the FIA to run itself (EX: Brawn's defence of 'pragmatic' Masi - why it's fair, yet lacking (the-race.com). Liberty can't run F1 alone.

Edited by FLB, 03 December 2022 - 12:04.

[Frank Tuesday]

What they need is to remove much of the automated aspects and return more skill and error to the driver.

They already can all but drive themselves, this idea is just artificially creating overtaking.

What we ultimately need is greater unreliability and increased mistakes.

We are one step away from rails on the track surface, go fast bumps, ramps and criss cross sections.

One simple principle: All variable systems (with a few explicit exceptions like spark timing) on the car must be controlled exclusively by the driver, with no assistance from any part of the car nor any input nor instruction from any member of the team. .

[Frank Tuesday]

Do "the powers that be" still consider F1 to be a sport? Ideas like this and some of the things implemented into the "show" are dragging F1 towards WWE levels and there is going to be a huge gulf between F1 and all other motorsports.

It hasn't been a sport for quite a while. It is an entertainment event.

[SenorSjon]

Just call a FCY to close up the field like they do in NASCAR (according to some posts I recall seeing on here).

And then spend 15-20 minutes resorting the field to have commercials and deep fried food ready before the climatic restart again.