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#1 F12020

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 09:11

do you think there will ever be a Chinese grand prix again or was 2019 the last one



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#2 absinthedude

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 09:23

Last for the foreseeable future. China will find it very hard, if not impossible, to host any major international sporting (or business) events with the current covid policies. The problem is that the leaders feel they cannot be seen wavering on ideology so they refuse to consider changing direction. 



#3 Clatter

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 09:30

Last for the foreseeable future. China will find it very hard, if not impossible, to host any major international sporting (or business) events with the current covid policies. The problem is that the leaders feel they cannot be seen wavering on ideology so they refuse to consider changing direction.


Except the protests there do appear to have had an effect, and they look to be moving away from their zero covid policy.

#4 jjcale

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 09:40

No - we are in the opening phase of a new cold war .... and it will just be a cold war - if we are lucky. 


Edited by jjcale, 06 December 2022 - 10:21.


#5 JimmyClark

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 09:42

I'm sure we will as it is such a big market. I can see it going to a Beijing street race though.

#6 Beri

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 10:01

Ofcourse there will be another Chinese Grand Prix one day. Just the question is where will we see it? I suspect an uninspiring street circuit in the heart of some Chinese city, that has some kind of spiritual meaning or historic sentiment, will be the case.



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Posted 06 December 2022 - 10:09

There's still a contract. Some historical processes take place very slowly but with Covid a decade of events and learning and change can be squeezed into a month.

 

On that basis China could well host the Grand Prix in 2024, unless the (geo)political considerations JJ alludes to intrude.



#8 Beri

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 10:11

Contract ends after the planned 2025 edition? So there could very well be another 2 events at Shanghai. Albeit I suspect that there is more to it than just Covid. We have raced in Japan as well when the entire country was just fresh out of lockdown back then.



#9 PayasYouRace

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 10:47

Does this question also apply to Macau?

#10 Anderis

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 11:02

My bet is that there will be another Chinese GP.

 

Whether it'll be in 5 or 50 years is another matter.



#11 F12020

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 11:04

Does this question also apply to Macau?

yes



#12 RacingFan10

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 11:04

I think there will be, as they will eventually have to stop this zero-covid madness, they are already relaxing some measures to stop the massive protests

And after all F1 is not such a big deal compared to other international matters, its only a sporting event.



#13 Sterzo

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 11:22

Yes there will. It's been cancelled for specific short-term reasons (lunatic as they may be) and there's no reason for it not to return.



#14 Disgrace

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 12:14

Yes there will. It's been cancelled for specific short-term reasons (lunatic as they may be) and there's no reason for it not to return.

 

Maybe, but zero-COVID aside, Xi's policy agenda reflects a country that is closing off rather than opening up to the world. It is not the same China as it was a few years ago.



#15 pdac

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 12:15

Yep, I'm sure it will be on the provisional calendar for next year. Whether it goes ahead will be a matter of whether the Covid restrictions are still in place or not. But I can't see F1 not wanting to keep going there whilst China is still the economic force that it (at the moment, still) is.



#16 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 12:25

Hope not!

#17 HP

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 12:26

Unsure. Thy will be on the calendar, but if there will be a race/ Who knows?

 

Given that COVID sports the background of the first successful large demonstration against the Chinese government in ages, it remains to be seen what will follow. Is this a precursor to further unrest as China is still facing other huge challenges in the form of environmental issues or are people content again for the time being? On the paper there will be a race til 2025. If it can be held we have to wait and see.



#18 Baddoer

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 12:38

So far so good. What happens next is a mystery.



#19 Secretariat

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 12:39

do you think there will ever be a Chinese grand prix again or was 2019 the last one

Yes, there will be another in the future.



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#20 Risil

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 12:46

Maybe, but zero-COVID aside, Xi's policy agenda reflects a country that is closing off rather than opening up to the world. It is not the same China as it was a few years ago.

 

But is there a specific reason why that general tendency would result in the cancellation of a Grand Prix contract? Apart from war breaking out, which it hasn't, yet.



#21 Nathan

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 13:28

I hope not.



#22 pdac

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 16:56

Maybe, but zero-COVID aside, Xi's policy agenda reflects a country that is closing off rather than opening up to the world. It is not the same China as it was a few years ago.

 

I'm sure it's the same China in as much as it wants very much to keep exporting goods and services to the rest of the world. China is no different to any other country. Gone are the days of ideology over commerce. The big countries of the world know that, with wealth, no one does any more than ask questions about how they treat their people.



#23 NewMrMe

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 17:01

In my opinion it is down to the Chinese government. If they come up with a sensible covid policy and want the race it will happen. I can't see the FIA saying no.



#24 pacificquay

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 19:11

We can’t possibly know at this stage and any attempt at an answer would be based on ill-founded guesswork 



#25 pdac

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 19:55

We can’t possibly know at this stage and any attempt at an answer would be based on ill-founded guesswork 

 

Not ill-founded - we can all see what the history of the FIA and F1 has been like.



#26 H0R

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Posted 06 December 2022 - 20:53

Definitely. F1 will be bought by a chinese investment group sooner or later.



#27 AustinF1

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Posted 07 December 2022 - 05:54

Does this question also apply to Macau?

Or even Hong Kong?



#28 PayasYouRace

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Posted 07 December 2022 - 06:47

Or even Hong Kong?

I mentioned it because the Macau Grand Prix is longer established and generally higher regarded than the Chinese Grand Prix.



#29 AustinF1

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Posted 07 December 2022 - 07:00

I mentioned it because the Macau Grand Prix is longer established and generally higher regarded than the Chinese Grand Prix.

Agreed. It seems like it could be a good idea. I was just throwing Hong Kong out there, having been reminded of it by something I saw on TV.

 

ETA: Plus, there's the HK billionaire who apparently wants to start a team.


Edited by AustinF1, 07 December 2022 - 07:23.


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Posted 07 December 2022 - 07:06

I think there will be, as they will eventually have to stop this zero-covid madness, they are already relaxing some measures to stop the massive protests
And after all F1 is not such a big deal compared to other international matters, its only a sporting event.


Just announced this morning a huge scale back of the zero-covid attempts.

2023 back on?

https://www.bbc.co.u...-china-63855508

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Posted 07 December 2022 - 07:07

Power to the people! (In China of all places?!)

#32 jjcale

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Posted 07 December 2022 - 09:32

Agreed. It seems like it could be a good idea. I was just throwing Hong Kong out there, having been reminded of it by something I saw on TV.

 

ETA: Plus, there's the HK billionaire who apparently wants to start a team.

 

Put it in Taiwan and say its the "Chinese GP" .... they couldnt complaint. :p



#33 Widefoot2

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Posted 07 December 2022 - 10:21

I'm sure we will as it is such a big market. I can see it going to a Beijing street race though.

They can use tanks for chicanes!  Talk about discouraging going over track limits...



#34 RacingFan10

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Posted 07 December 2022 - 12:48

Just announced this morning a huge scale back of the zero-covid attempts.

2023 back on?

https://www.bbc.co.u...-china-63855508

 

2023 probably not but 2024 I would count on it

 

If they lift most restrictions I expect a massive death toll and infections wave for 2023. Since all countries contained most covid (Taiwan, Australia, NZ, South Korea, Japan...) have had severe numbers once they got tired of it, so its like Covid big waves await you no matter what.



#35 jjcale

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Posted 07 December 2022 - 13:33

If they get Omicron they should be relatively fine - even if its a big wave....



#36 JimmyClark

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Posted 07 December 2022 - 15:00

If they get Omicron they should be relatively fine - even if its a big wave....

 

The concern is that Omicron was mild for those with existing immunity from vaccines and previous infection. But with a population where there has been low natural immunity, and substandard vaccines, and a very low uptake of those in the elderly population, it could still be quite serious (see Hong Kong, for example). 

 

So there's no point risking reinstating the race, only to have to cancel it again, with the associated costs of that (travel, freight, compensation, etc.) 



#37 CoolBreeze

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Posted 07 December 2022 - 15:05

Personally i hope not.  :down:



#38 BRG

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Posted 07 December 2022 - 17:12

I wonder if it will go the way of the WRC Rally of China which sort of petered out as the novelty wore off.  I remember the finish of the last one, where the crews and teams and media outnumbered local spectators by about 10 to 1.  Shanghai circuit  already closed off several grandstands, presumably due to lack of demand.  HAve the Chinese moved on to the next big thing (whatever it might be - tiddly-winks maybe?)



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Posted 08 December 2022 - 08:55

Put it in Taiwan and say its the "Chinese GP" .... they couldnt complaint. :p

 

I think the Taiwanese might have something to say about that though  :lol:



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#40 IrvTheSwerve

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Posted 08 December 2022 - 09:00

We can’t possibly know at this stage and any attempt at an answer would be based on ill-founded guesswork 

 

Isn't that the case with 50% of the posts on here?  :D  :lol:  :cool:



#41 JimmyClark

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Posted 08 December 2022 - 09:03

I think the Taiwanese might have something to say about that though :lol:


Taiwan is the Republic of China... I'm sure they'd love it haha. But probably wouldn't want to stir the hornets nest next door.

A street race in Taipei would be awesome. It's one of my favourite cities.

#42 jjcale

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Posted 08 December 2022 - 09:32

Taiwan is the Republic of China... I'm sure they'd love it haha. But probably wouldn't want to stir the hornets nest next door.

A street race in Taipei would be awesome. It's one of my favourite cities.

 

Exactly ... Both sides say its the same country .... technically RoC does not recognise PRC (and claims to be the rightful govt of all China) - and vice versa.

 

So just put it in Taiwan and call it the "GP of China (sponsored by Lockheed Martin in association with Raytheon and Boeing)" .... Pres Tsai could say to Chairman Xi - Its one country two systems Brah ... why U Mad??!! 

 

..... somebody should ask her - she is crazy enough to do it :p



#43 pdac

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Posted 08 December 2022 - 09:55

If Taiwan were to stump up some serious cash, I'm sure F1 would consider it.



#44 Peat

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Posted 08 December 2022 - 10:24

 I suspect an uninspiring street circuit in the heart of some Chinese city

 

Speaking of which, China's newest street circuit hosted a race just recently - Pingtan International City Circuit!

 

https://twitter.com/...795309214519296



#45 LucaP

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Posted 08 December 2022 - 10:37

I would love another Chinese Gp, they certainly deserve it

But only if they run it at Mugello or Road America ;)

#46 Nathan

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Posted 08 December 2022 - 17:23

Just announced this morning a huge scale back of the zero-covid attempts.

2023 back on?
 

 

No because the country still hasn't reacted to the wave of deaths that will come from it.  Taiwan's recent opening shows what happens, let's see how that is handled.



#47 loki

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Posted 08 December 2022 - 17:55

Taiwan is the Republic of China... I'm sure they'd love it haha. But probably wouldn't want to stir the hornets nest next door.

A street race in Taipei would be awesome. It's one of my favourite cities.

They could call it the “People’s Republic of China Grand Prix”.  

 

Everyone would be cool with that…



#48 pdac

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Posted 08 December 2022 - 18:53

They could call it the “People’s Republic of China Grand Prix”.  

 

Everyone would be cool with that

 

Not until someone pays for it.



#49 pdac

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Posted 26 December 2022 - 18:21

So will the Chinese GP be back on now that China is ending quarantine for travellers from January?



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Posted 26 December 2022 - 18:43

So will the Chinese GP be back on now that China is ending quarantine for travellers from January?


Now that the chinese let Covid rip through the population, it is hard to tell what is going to happen.

China will be a prime breeding ground for new covid variants, so we may all be dead next Xmas.😈 Or it may peter out by spring....🙂