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#101 Coral

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Posted 02 February 2023 - 10:59

Pessimistic Prediction:

 

Max wins the WDC easily with Horner becoming ever more smug, if that is possible. Perez gets fed up and announces his retirement from F1.

 

Ferrari are woeful and Leclerc becomes even more frustrated, but there is nothing he can do about it until Lewis retires, and he's not going to.

 

Mercedes have a better year with both Lewis and George winning races, but it's not enough to challenge Red Bull.

 

 

Optimistic Prediction:

 

Lewis wins his 8th WDC and we can finally forget AD21. He then announces that he is retiring from F1 and wishes George all the best for 2024 and beyond. :)



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#102 lewislorenzo

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Posted 02 February 2023 - 18:31

Optimistic Prediction:

Lewis wins his 8th WDC and we can finally forget AD21. He then announces that he is retiring from F1 and wishes George all the best for 2024 and beyond. :)


Fingers crossed

#103 alframsey

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Posted 02 February 2023 - 18:53

Ocon and Gasly to be fireworks. Gasly to smash Ocon.

Gasly is a weird one isn't he? Sometimes he looks like he has it and could potentially be up there and then next week he looks crap. I think Ocon will actually beat him in the end.



#104 alframsey

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Posted 02 February 2023 - 18:59

Both the Miami and Las Vegas Grand Prix will be complete snoozefests and despite all celebrities and Liberty frantically want to play this down, the voice of social media will be too strong and it will be just one US Grand Prix from 2024 onwards; In Austin at COTA (where it should belong)

I really want the Las Vegas race to be amazing but it just won't be will it? Street circuits rarely are and I get the desire to include the famous locations along the race track but, surely, racing has to come first?

 

For what its worth I don't think they will get rid off them even if they are boring as ****, look how long we had Paul Ricard.



#105 dreamerBiH

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Posted 02 February 2023 - 23:33

I would say the top 3 teams will largely be in the same order they finished the season in Abu Dhabi in. Mercedes will start closer but still be third best, Ferrari will produce a good car again and be similar to Red Bull on pace at the start of the season.

 

Aston Martin will take a big step and be one of the best in the midfield along with Alpine. McLaren will languish slightly behind although Norris will drag it into good results.

 

The midfield will be tighter than ever behind, with no clear backmarker. Haas will probably start well again but slip back as the season progresses. 

 

The midfield in general will be a bit closer to the front (hopefully) but none of them will be able to properly challenge the front teams yet.

 

 

Piastri will be fairly poor at McLaren and struggle similarly to Ricciardo. Sargeant will do surprisingly well at Williams however and challenge Albon. De Vries will beat Tsunoda and effectively end his career at AT.  

 

 

Alpine making a BIG step would mean that they would knock at the door of top 3. You seem to miss the fact that at the end of the season their race pace was very similar to Alpine, sometimes even better. 



#106 Alfisti

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Posted 03 February 2023 - 04:34

Here's a few of mine.

- Ocon to handle gasly quite easily
- over performers from last year like alfa and haas are well back of the pack with Williams
- devries gets the better of tsunoda
- aston to threaten Renault and mclaren for 4th

#107 Beri

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Posted 03 February 2023 - 12:04

Haas will be 5th in the Constructors. Equalling their best result in 2018.



#108 #99

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Posted 03 February 2023 - 17:51

Red Bull announce intention to move away from team ownership and sell their teams

Mercedes announce intention to sell team

Ford announces intention to buy RBR, and retain Red Bull sponsorship

Honda announce plans to purchase Mercedes F1 team - Jenson Button to be TP

Paul Stoddart launches joint bid with Giancarlo Minardi to purchase Alpha Tauri - Fernando Alonso will be TP when AM contract expires.  Ford will supply year old engines.

Petronas jumps ship from Mercedes to join Red Bull as sponsors of  Ford works team.

Mercedes join Mclaren as works partner, and hire Bottas to be their no. 1 driver.



#109 Sterzo

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Posted 03 February 2023 - 21:38

Here's a few of mine.

- Ocon to handle gasly quite easily
- over performers from last year like alfa and haas are well back of the pack with Williams
- devries gets the better of tsunoda
- aston to threaten Renault and mclaren for 4th

These predictions look appallingly sensible. Wouldn't be surprised if you score 3 out of 4. Alfa/Sauber/Audi (or whoever they are) being the biggest threat to a perfect score.



#110 Music Lover

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Posted 19 February 2023 - 13:27

Is this the tread we discuss the 2023 Car performance predictions, based on all teams car presentations?



#111 Risil

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Posted 19 February 2023 - 18:05

Yeah, we're still at the reading TD body language and doing art criticism before saying "looks fast/looks slow" stage.

Once testing happens we'll start making informed predictions.

#112 FLB

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Posted 19 February 2023 - 18:20

- aston to threaten Renault and mclaren for 4th

Julien Febreau (Canal+) says that everybody he's talked to in the paddock is saying Aston it the team to watch:

 

 

Le Red Flag sur Twitter : "Quelle écurie surveillez-vous le plus en vue de cette saison 2023 de formule 1 ? Mercedes, McLaren, Alpine ? Et bien selon @Julien_FEBREAU l’écurie à surveiller sera Aston Martin ! ( : Propulsion Podcast )#F1 #AstonMartin #BahrainGP https://t.co/SVvLmiiSzX" / Twitter



#113 theblackangus

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Posted 19 February 2023 - 18:29

Alonso complains about Aston Martin
 

 

I mean is this really a prediction? its like saying - I predict april will come after march.



#114 Music Lover

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Posted 19 February 2023 - 20:08

To watch...for what reason?
Biggest improvement or that they are the best team...



#115 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 19 February 2023 - 20:21

They were already improving late 2022, so how much of a surprise would that be really?

#116 JimmyClark

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Posted 19 February 2023 - 20:43

At best I can see Aston doing a BAR in 2003, where they surprised with pace early in the year and where in contention for podiums but never threatened for victories. Certainly there's no smoke without fire, but I wouldn't get excited yet.

#117 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 19 February 2023 - 21:09

Aston fashionable due Alsonso me thinks, once cars start testing and racing tune will most likely be Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari and then everyone else.



#118 FLB

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Posted 19 February 2023 - 21:16

To watch...for what reason?
Biggest improvement or that they are the best team...

Because they are on an upwards trajectory. If it's not apparent in 2023, it will be in 2024. He actually uses the word 'springboard' (tremplin en francais) in the video. 

 

 

He's reporting what he's hearing from people in the paddock.



#119 Dutchrudder

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Posted 20 February 2023 - 07:47

The thing with Aston is that the level of investment doesn’t always produce results. Toyota proved that pretty well. It’s funny how well they performed as Force India on a limited budget, yet seemingly with more investment year on year since Stroll took over they’ve fallen back somewhat. New factory and some good acquisitions on the technical team are good signs, though. Is Alonso going to be able to keep it together long enough for that to bear fruit? I worry he’ll quickly become upset at the driver treatment vs Lance.

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#120 oli4

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Posted 20 February 2023 - 09:10

 

But Alonso always chooses the wrong team



#121 Alex79

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Posted 20 February 2023 - 10:08

The thing with Aston is that the level of investment doesn’t always produce results. Toyota proved that pretty well. It’s funny how well they performed as Force India on a limited budget, yet seemingly with more investment year on year since Stroll took over they’ve fallen back somewhat. New factory and some good acquisitions on the technical team are good signs, though. Is Alonso going to be able to keep it together long enough for that to bear fruit? I worry he’ll quickly become upset at the driver treatment vs Lance.


the reason Racing Point and Aston Martin iterations of Force India are lacking is because they first straight up copied the winning car of the previous season, without understanding the inner workings. then they tried to lure away people away from Mercedes and Ferrari, but the cream of the crop staid put. those that came in could only copy their work in their previous employments. and lastly Lawrence Stroll keeps insisting his son Lance can become WDC.

my prediction:
- Alonso does so well the stroll clan refuses to give him updates. lance ruins said updates with a string of crashes, so alonso retires a few times and finds a new career as commentator, pitreporter and camera operator

Hamilton and Verstappen go for round two, including cold war part 2, a pitch invasion on Silverstone and a restraining order against Toto Wolff for Harassment of race director Wittich. who wins Wdc 2023 will be determined in Switzerland on a cold February afternoon in 2024, not including another costcap saga which will make rocketpowered mohawk the most viewed f1 commentator on YT, and also makes him public enemy #1 in his home country

Ferrari goes through a Far Cry definition of insanity, winning the first races and throwing away the season because the new Italian strategy team revolts against french Teamboss vasseur, demanding binotto back. instead they all get fired and Carlos Sainz Sr and Jean Alesi do the job together.

At Rbr, Perez falls in a deep slump and announces a shock retirement after crashing out of the first lap in his home grand prix. Meaning Tsunoda has to drive the last two races (should have been De Vries but Honda protested and threatening to pull support if Tsunoda doesn't get the job)

absolutely no infighting at Mercedes, for a bitter rivalry we look at Alpine where Gaslys dominant performance in the first half makes Ocon go haywire and trying to punt him off like with Perez in Spa. Teamboss Otmar Szafnauer uses an old Jean Todt strategy: flipping a coin who he has to fire.

against all odds McLaren wins the battle of the rest, Piastri and Norris perfectly Tag teaming Verstappen in Zandvoort. another pitch invasion led by angry former Ziggo personnel Tim and Tom Coronel ensues, meaning McLaren personnel has to run for their lives. in the aftermath Rob Kamphues, Olav Mol and Jack Plooi are banned from twitter but reinstated by poll results requested from Grand prix radio fans.

Alfa Romeo already benefits from a few Audi tweaks to the hybrid system but despite decent qualifications they break down in the races. help from the Chinese space association is refused as stellantis fears sanctions from the biden Administration

Haas does get the cars in q2 regularly, but both Magnussen and hulkenberg gather their laurels elsewhere in shock moves to porsche and Peugeot for le mans 2024.

at Williams sargent does give albon a good fight pushing the team past Haas and AR. A shock third place for sargent in Las Vegas leads to a tempting offer from Cadillac, and an extra CAS tribunal over their refused entry into F1 in 2026.

outrageous enough for a Monday I think, I'm going to listen to Boomtown Rats and Bangles again :)

#122 Redaxo

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Posted 24 February 2023 - 11:01

Here are my predictions:

 

  • There will be one race with three red flag incidents (the last one ends the race)
  • Magnussen does not have to change his front wing in any of the races
  • At the end of the season, 22 drivers have points on their record
  • A race is interrupted or neutralised because of a climate protester
  • Alonso gets at least one podium


#123 TheWilliamzer

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Posted 24 February 2023 - 11:11

- New race winner

- Mid-season driver change for one team

- Championship over by Singapore

- One race where only 12 cars finish

- Helmut Marko to shut up for once



#124 LolaB0860

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Posted 24 February 2023 - 23:38

Both the Miami and Las Vegas Grand Prix will be complete snoozefests and despite all celebrities and Liberty frantically want to play this down, the voice of social media will be too strong and it will be just one US Grand Prix from 2024 onwards; In Austin at COTA (where it should belong)

 

On-track action will mean zero to the success of those events. There have been many GPs that have been borefests for years and they're still showing up, most of people on-track don't care if it's not 'exciting' as long as they experience it close. And in any case, the main (marketing) focus for those events are the side music festivals and VIP packages and whatnot off-track experiences anyway.

 

The only way for axing is if

A) Those NA races will potentially start eating out each others audiences once the current F1 boom and Netflix stardom starts fading

B) There's another Indy 2005 fiasco or they redo Spa 2021 even worse somehow which destroys the public imago of the event

C) Some political city council disagreement or money dispute as often happens with street courses

 

As a side note, I still rather watch Miami than the dull COTA asphalt carpark


Edited by LolaB0860, 24 February 2023 - 23:44.


#125 danmills

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Posted 25 February 2023 - 18:34

Max to break most wins record.
A freaky but glorious Alonso win at Silverstone.
No wins for Leclerc.
We see Stroll on the podium again. At Baku.
Bottas appears on the podium too.
Alpha Tauri sell the team.
Andretti bids in AT. Honda buy them.
Mclaren announces RBPT engine deal.
Tsunoda subbed with Lawson at least once.
Perez is nowhere.
Mercedes has built a turd.
Alpine vanish.
Albon gets a podium in a Williams on merit.

Ricciardo will race at least once. And be excellent.

Sainz wins in Monaco.

Piastri matches Norris immediately.
Max seems bored AF by seasons end from sheer dominance.

Leclerc and Ferrari relationship breaks down. 

Lewis and Leclerc make shock switch for 2024 announced in Monza.

Ferrari wipes clear remaining contract with Leclerc on arrival of Lewis.


Edited by danmills, 25 February 2023 - 18:40.


#126 LolaB0860

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Posted 26 February 2023 - 00:16

Red Bull wins every race except for two. For those two races, Verstappen blames his team and Horner says Verstappen is correct and they let him down personally.

All teams except for Haas, Sauber and Williams go over budget but FIA does nothing to fix the regulations.

Alonso blames everyone.

 

Some thoughts after the test:

 

Red Bull will still win all the races except for two, and most teams will go over budget (on purpose), but Alonso won't start blaming everyone until around summer time, when the Aston hype train has plundered after other constructors catch up with tech upgrades


Edited by LolaB0860, 26 February 2023 - 00:16.


#127 noikeee

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Posted 26 February 2023 - 02:49

Max to break most wins record.
A freaky but glorious Alonso win at Silverstone.
No wins for Leclerc.
We see Stroll on the podium again. At Baku.
Bottas appears on the podium too.
Alpha Tauri sell the team.
Andretti bids in AT. Honda buy them.
Mclaren announces RBPT engine deal.
Tsunoda subbed with Lawson at least once.
Perez is nowhere.
Mercedes has built a turd.
Alpine vanish.
Albon gets a podium in a Williams on merit.
Ricciardo will race at least once. And be excellent.
Sainz wins in Monaco.
Piastri matches Norris immediately.
Max seems bored AF by seasons end from sheer dominance.
Leclerc and Ferrari relationship breaks down.
Lewis and Leclerc make shock switch for 2024 announced in Monza.
Ferrari wipes clear remaining contract with Leclerc on arrival of Lewis.


All sounds pretty realistic here, even the wildest ones. I see 2023 very much like this.

#128 Gambelli

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Posted 26 February 2023 - 07:08

LeClerc and Verstappen go toe to toe all year long, plenty of wheel banging but no real animosity.

 

LeClerc wins the championship in the final round when there is a late safety car and he pits for new tyres, Horner asks for unlapped cars to be moved out of the way, knowing it may be Verstappen's downfall (he's leading the race on old tyres) but knowing its the right thing to do to let them race

 

Aston Martin has half a dozen weekends where they are right up there, lacking a little bit in qualifying but great tyre management means 3 wins for Alonso, 7 podiums overall and 3rd in the championship. Stroll also wins a race and 3 other podiums

 

Perez steps aside for Ricciardo mid season who does a solid job and is given a full time drive in 2024

 

Tsunoda is stood down for swearing at his team too often and lawson is drafted in and takes a surprise podium

 

Logan Sergeant scores points in every race of the year and proves to be a revelation and signs for Andretti/HAAS for 2024 alongside Herta

 

Merc take a record 18 3rd places with no 2nds or wins, but suffer with poor reliability for the first time in 10 years.

 

Ocon and Gasly tie on points

 

Norris takes yet another podium for McLaren in a poor car but Piastri has an incredible end to the season and scores 5 straight 4th places to end the season, Norris beats Piastri by just 1 point after following home Piastri in 5th at the season finale

 

Zhou has an outstanding second season for Alfa and outqualifies and outscores Bottas, Pourcahire signed for 2024 in place of Bottas

 

Hulk outscores Magnussen and lands Sergeant's spare Williams seat, alongside Jack Doohan

 

Ultimately, every team score a podium and even the team that comes last scores over 50 points



#129 BRG

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Posted 26 February 2023 - 11:33

Perez steps aside for Ricciardo mid season who does a solid job and is given a full time drive in 2024

 

Norris takes yet another podium for McLaren in a poor car but Piastri has an incredible end to the season and scores 5 straight 4th places to end the season, Norris beats Piastri by just 1 point after following home Piastri in 5th at the season finale

Ah, it takes me back to those halcyon days of 2021 and 2022 in the McLaren team thread.  Happy days!   :stoned:



#130 Jerem

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Posted 28 May 2023 - 19:26

Red Bull start the season ahead but do not have the same development pace as Mercedes.
Everyone thinks Max has it in the bag after Monaco, but Mercedes strike back. Perez is non-existent.
 

 

Up until now, my prediction is still looking fine.



#131 Anderis

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Posted 28 May 2023 - 20:21

- Red Bull remains the best team

- Mercedes jumps Ferrari for 2nd best, Ferrari not as competitive as in 2022

- Williams remains last

 

I don't know, I can't think of anything more for now.

 

Looks almost spot on at the moment, except for the fact that it's Aston Martin in 2nd, not Mercedes.
 



#132 Anderis

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Posted 04 June 2023 - 14:34

Oh, now that Mercedes have jumped Aston for 2nd, I may say that I was 100% right. :p